BARBARA DEVEREAUX 3 TIMES BETROTHED

Started by Ann Farley on Saturday, January 14, 2012

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1/14/2012 at 7:37 AM

I have read differing dates of birth for Barbara and I believe it was not until about 1550 that the law of the land was that a record should be kept on births/christenings in England. I have read that she was betrothed to Sir Edward Cayce when she was fifteen years old and two years later Sir Edward died without issue of the pox.
Now some say that Barbara's second husband was Edward Hastings son of Francis Hastings and his wife nee Lady Catherine de la Pole. I wonder if this was her third husband and I would be interested to hear what others think. This marriage appears to have brought forth two sons, Sir Henry and Walter.but I have no knowledge of their birth dates. Her marriage to Reginald Farley is also of variable dates on the www. from 1555 onward. This would make Reginald 20 years old when he married her. but by some reckonings for Barbara she would only be 11 years old!

The dates of the children attributed to Reginald and Barbara seem to run from 1560 to 1572.. My own 9th great grandfather was born 1570.

Can anyone shed a light on accurage dates for births, marriages and children's birthdates as I feel facts are sorely lacking at present. Perhaps if we just state what we have read we can agree amongst ourselves what makes sense?
Ann nee Farley

1/14/2012 at 5:35 PM

Hello Ann

I am the Main manager for this Profile, and two of the connected husbands. Do you think this Barbara was married to these three men?

The Profiles for Barbara that I had entered were only married to one man, whether the two Profiles I had were the same Barbara, I am not sure of.

Barbara Hastings married Reginald Farley, one child listed, the other Barbara D'Evereaux married Edward Hastings, I had no children listed. I have no idea about Edward Cayce.

Some one has merged the two separate Barbara's, so the supposition is that she was married to at least the two?

I will try to find some references and post them on the Profiles, if you have any, please post them on the Profiles or this discussion, or send me a link or name of the reference.

1/15/2012 at 2:25 AM

Here is some information on Edward, I found his name is also listed as Edward Cave. It is definite that Barbara Evereaux was married to Edward Cayce/Cave and Edward Hastings, I am not sure that the same Barbara was married to the same Reginald Farley, although it could be so, I have only found one reference so far as to her being married to all three and that reference did not have any information about Reginald but his name and he was her 3rd husband.

Genealogical memoirs of the extinct family of Chester of Chicheley (1878)
http://www.archive.org/details/genealogicalmem01wategoog
http://www.archive.org/stream/genealogicalmem01wategoog#page/n118/m...
II. BRYAN CAVE, the seventh son of Richard Cave Esq. of Stanford, by his second wife Margaret Saxby, was one of his father's executors and residuary legatees. On the dissolution of Leicester Abbey he had a large share in the plunder; for the impropriate Rectory of Hungerton and the Manor of Ingarsby were granted to him by the Crown in 1540. He was Sheriff of the united counties of Warwick and Leicester in 1558, and was Sheriff of Leicestershire in 1569, and again in 1582. He married two wives ; but his first wife Margaret was the mother of his children. She was the daughter of Sir George Throckmorton Kt. by Catherine daughter of Nicholas Lord Vaux, by Elizabeth daughter of Henry Lord Fitz-Hugh, by Alice Nevill sister of Richard Earl of Warwick K,G., 'the king-maker.' She had issue four children, namely :
1. EDWARD CAVE, son and heir apparent, married Barbara daughter and coheir of Sir William Devereux Kt., and died without issue in his father's lifetime. His widow Barbara married secondly Sir Edward Hastings Kt., fourth son of Francis Earl of Huntingdon.
2. HENRY CAVE, son and heir, of whom presently.
3. FRANCIS CAVE married and had children.
4. MARY CAVE married Thomas Brown Esq. of Wistow.
Brian Cave married secondly Bridget daughter of Sir William Skipwith Kt. of Ormesby, co. Lincoln, one of the Maids of Honour of Queen Elizabeth ; but she died 26th January 1587-8 without children. (14) Brian Cave lived to a great age, and died 12th September 1592. (14)

Francis [Hastings], 2nd Earl of Huntingdon, KG PC
born c. 1514
mar. 25 Jun 1532 Hon Catharine Pole (d. 23 Sep 1576), 1st dau. and cohrss. of Hon Sir Henry Pole, styled Lord Montagu (by his wife Hon Jane Nevill, 1st dau. by his first wife of George [Nevill], 2nd and 4th Baron Bergavenny), 1st son and heir of Sir Richard Pole KG, Constable of Harlech Castle, by his wife Lady Margaret Plantagenet, styled Countess of Salisbury and de jure Countess of Warwick, only dau. of George [Plantagenet], 1st Duke of Clarence, younger brother of King Edward IV
children
1. Hon Henry Hastings, later 3rd Earl of Huntingdon
2. Hon George Hastings, later 4th Earl of Huntingdon
3. Hon William Hastings (dsp.)
4. Hon Sir Edward Hastings, of Leicester Abbey (d. 1603), mar. Barbara Cave (widow of Edward Cave, of Ingarsby, co. Leicester), 1st dau. and cohrss. of Hon Sir William Devereux, of Mirevale Abbey, co. Warwick (by his wife Jane Scudamore, dau. of John Scudamore, of Holme Lacy), 3rd son by his first wife of Walter [Devereux], 1st Viscount Hereford, and had issue:
1a. Sir Henry Hastings, Sheriff of Leicestershire 1619 (d. 1629), mar. Mabel Faunt (d. 1618), dau. of Antony Faunt, of Foston, co. Leicester, and had issue:
Anne Watkinson, and had issue
2a. Walter Hastings (dsp.)
http://www.cracroftspeerage.co.uk/online/content/Huntingdon1529.htm

Edward Cave1
M, #324304
Last Edited=18 Jul 2010
Edward Cave married Barbara Devereux, daughter of Sir William Devereux and Jane Scudamore.1
He lived at Ingarsby, Leicestershire, England.1
Citations
1.[S37] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 2, page 2005. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
http://www.thepeerage.com/p32431.htm#i324304

Francis Hastings, 2nd Earl of Huntingdon, KG (1514 – 20 June 1561) was the eldest son of George Hastings, 1st Earl of Huntingdon and Anne Stafford, Countess of Huntingdon, the ex-mistress of Henry VIII.[1]
Francis married Catherine Pole on 25 June 1532. She was a daughter of Henry Pole, 11th Baron Montacute and Jane Neville. Jane was in turn a daughter of George Nevill, 4th Baron Bergavenny and Margaret Fenne. They had eleven children:
Frances Anne Hastings (1533–1574). Married Henry Compton, 1st Baron Compton and was mother of William Compton, 1st Earl of Northampton.
Henry Hastings, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon (1536 – 14 December 1595).
William Hastings (b. 1537).
George Hastings, 4th Earl of Huntingdon (1540 – 3 December 1604).
Sir Edward Hastings (1541 – 1603?). Married Barbara Deveraux, daughter of Sir William Deveraux and Jane Sccudamore. Her paternal grandfather was Walter Devereux, 1st Viscount Hereford. She was the sole heir of both her father and her previous husband Edward Cayce. Her considerable inheritance included Leicester Abbey.
Catherine Hastings (11 August 1542 – 22 September 1576). Married Henry Clinton, 2nd Earl of Lincoln and was mother of Thomas Clinton, 3rd Earl of Lincoln.
Walter Hastings (1544 – 20 August 1616). Married Joyce Roper.
Elizabeth Hastings (c. 1546 – 24 August 1621). Married Edward Somerset, 4th Earl of Worcester.
Anne Hastings (b. 1548).
Francis Hastings (c. 1550 – 26 September 1610). Married Maud Longdord.
Mary Hastings (b. 1552).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Hastings,_2nd_Earl_of_Huntingdon

Barbara DEVEREUX
Born: 1542, Myrevale, Warwickshire, England
Notes: eldest daughter and heir. Shortly after her 15th birthday, was married to her first husband, Sir Edward Cayce. Two years after nuptials, Sir Edward was taken ill with the pox and died. Since there had been no issue from this marriage, she inherited all of his property, including Leicester Abbey.
Father: William DEVEREUX (Sir)
Mother: Jane SCUDAMORE
Married 1: Edward CAYCE (Sir)
Married 2: Edward HASTINGS (Sir) ABT 1567/1570, England
Children:
1. Henry HASTINGS (Sir)
2. Walter HASTINGS
Married 3: Reginald FARLEY
http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/DEVEREUX.htm#Barbara DEVEREUX1

1/15/2012 at 3:04 AM

Thank you so much for your data. I have copied it and will read and study it most carefully asap. I really would like to learn the true facts as this involves me very much as Reginald Farley was my tenth great grandfather and it is stupid to be off on a wild goose chase!

I think it is a shame we do not know her true date of birth and the dates for her marriage to Hastings seem to vary from one website to another. I have found that things can be picked up on the www and repeated which are entirely wrong but obviously stated at the time in good faith. I have similar problems with my 9th GGF who is purported to have emigrated to America with his brothers, but I do not think he did as I am descended from him and I was born in England.

I do hope others who are interested will join us in the research, as I am not as young as I was and my internet speed is pretty slow in Wales.
Ann

1/15/2012 at 3:09 AM

Carole, I am pretty certain that Barbara was betrothed to the two men as the first "marriage" was purported to be when she was fifteen years old and the betrothed died two years later. I have read so often that even babies were "betrothed" perhaps to an older person and they could die before the nuptuals were performed. I believe the King did a lot of match making and did not wait for his pawns to reach marriagable age!

1/15/2012 at 3:41 AM

The Farley line is from my aunt by marriage (since have found she was distantly blood related) she passed away in 1999. This seems to be the case a lot where the references you can find do not give any dates or they fluctuate all over and you don't know which is correct. Yes I have seen several others that were married when children, and at least one couple had it annuled when they were older.

Getting very late here 3:32 AM, I will turn in and probably won't be able to get back to this until late evening.

1/15/2012 at 7:07 AM

Carole, I have read carefully what you put above and also visited the websites. I now have serious doubts about the wife of Reginald Farley. He made a will and so I must examine that again. In fact, from my notes I see that he is purported to have married a Barbara Hastings. Perhaps there was a maiden with the surname Hastings rather than Devereaux. Someone perhaps jumped the gun over her name?

I have also read the connection with the Hungerfords yet again, so I guess I am connected yet again via this family.

1/15/2012 at 7:22 AM

I wonder if my Barbara Hastings was a daughter of one of these?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Hastings,_2nd_Earl_of_Huntingdon

Francis married Catherine Pole on 25 June 1532. She was a daughter of Henry Pole, 11th Baron Montacute and Jane Neville. Jane was in turn a daughter of George Nevill, 4th Baron Bergavenny and Margaret Fenne. They had eleven children:
Frances Anne Hastings (1533–1574). Married Henry Compton, 1st Baron Compton and was mother of William Compton, 1st Earl of Northampton.
Henry Hastings, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon (1536 – 14 December 1595).
William Hastings (b. 1537).
George Hastings, 4th Earl of Huntingdon (1540 – 3 December 1604).
Sir Edward Hastings (1541 – 1603?). Married Barbara Deveraux, daughter of Sir William Deveraux and Jane Sccudamore. Her paternal grandfather was Walter Devereux, 1st Viscount Hereford. She was the sole heir of both her father and her previous husband Edward Cayce. Her considerable inheritance included Leicester Abbey.
Catherine Hastings (11 August 1542 – 22 September 1576). Married Henry Clinton, 2nd Earl of Lincoln and was mother of Thomas Clinton, 3rd Earl of Lincoln.
Walter Hastings (1544 – 20 August 1616). Married Joyce Roper.
Elizabeth Hastings (c. 1546 – 24 August 1621). Married Edward Somerset, 4th Earl of Worcester.
Anne Hastings (b. 1548).
Francis Hastings (c. 1550 – 26 September 1610). Married Maud Longdord.
Mary Hastings (b. 1552).
Well, I guess one of the above males!

Reginald Farley was born 1530 so I guess he married a girl younger.
I now need to refer to my files on Reginald. I know he was a leading cloth industrialist with his own trademark which he left to a son in his will.
I wish I had noted where I read this....
Reginald Farley, born 1530 in Towthorpe, Yorkshire, died 1622 in , England. He was the son of Richard Farley and Joan Eausham. He married Barbara Hastings Abt. 1562 in Yorkshire, England.
We live and learn.

1/15/2012 at 8:22 AM

ho ho ho ... look what I found! and written a good few years ago too....
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/FARLEY/2000-09/096846...

Subject: Barbara HASTINGS(?)and Reginald FARLEY
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 19:51:29 -0500

Hello all,
After considerable trolling about and delving into the references that I
have, I continue to wonder about the Barbara Hastings who married
Reginald Farley. I cannot find a Barbara Hastings anywhere in the
pedigree of the Hastings Earls of Huntingdon. I have found an
unconfirmed note in genforum that Barbara Hastings was not born a
Hastings, but was, instead, a daughter of Sir Walter Devereaux by his
wife, Jane Scudamore.
Unfortunately, I can't find anything else to confirm this alleged
Devereaux connection.

So, I am left wondering as to who this Barbara Hastings really was. If
she is of a different Hastings family and not directly kin to the Earls
of Huntingdon, I could buy that, except that I don't find any other
Hastings families that might provide a connection, and I especially
don't find them around Towthorpe, Yorkshire.

Frankly, I am at a loss as to how to explain Barbara. Either this is a
genealogical BFO(blinding flash of the obvious)and the answer is right
under my nose OR she truly is an enigma and everyone else is just as
baffled as I am; in which case, I feel better, but not much.

If anyone out there has an opinion that I have not aired or, better yet,
if someone out there actually has the bona fide answer for Barbara
Hastings' ancestry, I would certainly be glad and relieved to hear from
you.
Regards to all,

--
Larry D. Hamilton Coats
P.O. Box 823
Aspermont, TX 79502

So many others are searching like me!

1/16/2012 at 1:50 PM

Ann, sorry I was not able to get on Geni yesterday.

I will continue searching, these are a couple of references for Reginald.

1601–2.—HILARY TERM, 44 ELIZABETH.
Richard Etherington, esq.
Henry Bulmer, gent., and Ann his wife and Reginald Farley, gent., and Barbara his wife
2 messuages and 2 cottages with lands in Snaynton, Ebberston, and Huton Bushell.
From: 'Yorkshire Fines: 1602', Feet of Fines of the Tudor period [Yorks]: part 4: 1594-1603 (1890), pp. 179-203. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=49721 Date accessed: 15 January 2012.

The visitation of Herefordshire made by Robert Cooke, Clarencieux, in 1569 (1886)
http://www.archive.org/details/visitationofhere00cookrich
http://www.archive.org/stream/visitationofhere00cookrich#page/27/mo...
CHART - Evesham
Joane, doghter of Willm. Evesham, mar. to Richard Farley and have issue 1591. mar. Richard Farley, son and heier of John Farley of Wellington's Hall in Wellington, seconde son of (John, Harl. 1545), Farley, of Bosbury 1591 ch: Humfrey Farley.

1/17/2012 at 1:10 AM

There is not much information on Reginald Farley & Barbara Hastings, except for Personal trees.

Edward Hastings who was married to Barbara died in 1603, I think this would rule out the Barbara's being the same person as Barbara had children with Reginald unless the dates are not correct but there is a great difference of the supposed dates. Reginald and Barbara were definitely married by 1602 and I think I found them listed in the Yorkshire fines, and their children are born from 1566 to 1587? I think removing the connection between Barbara Devereaux and Reginald Farley will probably need to be done, but I will wait until I hear your views on this matter and possibly try to contact the other managers.

Here are some listings from Personal sites, I could find no other published material.

13th GGP; Richard Farley-1510-Joan Eausham-3 children
12th GGP; Reginald Farley-1530-Barbara Hastings-7 children
11th GGP; Roger Farley-1560to1622-Jane Evans-11 children
10th GGP; Thomas Farley-abt1578-Jane Hungerford-2 children
9th GGP; George Farley-1615-Christian Births-7 children
http://genforum.genealogy.com/farley/messages/788.html

Reginald Farley, born 1530 in Towthrope, Yorkshire, England; died 1622 in Firthshire, England. He was the son of Richard Farley and Joan Eausham. He married Barbara Hasting abt. 1562 in Yorkshire, England. Children
1. George Farley, born 1566
2. Michael Farley, born 1568
3. Fabyan Farley, born 1570 Kent, England; died June 15 1659 in Massachusetts married Anne Sims October 15, 1610 in Hallow, Worcester, England.
4. Alice Farley, born 1572
5. Roger Farley, born 1575 Towthrope, Yorkshire, England; died Sept 25, 1622 Worcester, Worcestershire, England m1. Isabell m2. Jane Evans
6. Humphrey Farley, born abt. 1586
7. Thomas Farley, born Abt. 1587 in Yorkshire, England married Jane Hungerford 1614.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/10698940/Sues-Ancestors-Document-File--...

The first known ancestors of the American Farleys are Reginald & Barbara ( Hastings ) Farley .
Reginald & Barbara ( Hastings ) Farley had at least seven (7) children:
I. Roger Farley --> ancestor of the Virginia Farley s.
II. Fabyan Farley
III. Thomas Farley
IV. Humphrey Farley
V. George Farley --> said to be one of the ancestors of the New England Farleys.
VI. Michael Farley --> said to be one of the ancestors of the New England Farleys.
VII. Alice Farley
http://www.crossedbrushstudio.com/windowsintoourpast/Vol5/farley.htm

Information on this page from Windows Into Our Past, A Genealogy of the Parsons, Smith and Associated Families, Vol. 1 �1996, Judy Parsons Smith
Reginald & Barbara (Hastings) Farley
The first known ancestors of the American Farleys are Reginald & Barbara (Hastings) Farley. Reginald & Barbara (Hastings) Farley had at least seven (7) children:
I. Roger --> ancestor of the Virginia Farleys.
II. Fabyan
III. Thomas
IV. Humphrey
V. George --> said to be one of the ancestors of the New England Farleys.
VI. Michael --> said to be one of the ancestors of the New England Farleys.
VII. Alice
Roger Farley
I. Roger Farley, son of Reginald & Barbara (Hastings) Farley, d. will proved 25 Sept 1622; m. Lady Jane Evans, widow of a Mr. Allen. Roger Farley was a cloth merchant. He owned several parcels of land in Worcestershire and Hertford Counties, England.
http://www.reocities.com/judys-space/Vol1/farley.htm

Five Centuries of the Farley Family
http://farlemagne.tripod.com/ancestry.html

Our FARLEY Ancestry
http://fulkerson.org/farley.html

I think there is some controversy also for the parentage of Thomas Farley (b 1602) who married Jane Sefton, some list his parents as Thomas Farley (b 1565) and Jane Hungerford and others list Roger Farley (b 1576) who married Jane Evans, I have also seen his parents as Fabyan Farley who married Jane Hungerford. Thomas would be the grandson of Reginald & Barbara? These are listed in the sites above and these others.

One line of the Farley family (1897)
http://www.archive.org/details/onelineoffarleyf00fost
http://www.archive.org/stream/onelineoffarleyf00fost#page/n14/mode/1up
THE FARLEY FAMILY.
This reference lists Fabyan Farley and Jane Hungerford as parents of Thomas (the immigrant), Fabyan being the 1st Farley with any information mentioned.

The Farley, Fairley, Farlo family (1902)
http://www.archive.org/details/farleyfairleyfar00farl
http://www.archive.org/stream/farleyfairleyfar00farl#page/n3/mode/1up
This lists Thomas Farley (the immigrant) & wife Jane

Genealogy of Joseph Fisher, and his descendants, and of the allied families of Farley, Farlee, Fetterman, Pitner, Reeder and Shipman (1890)
http://www.archive.org/details/genealogyofjosep00fish
http://www.archive.org/stream/genealogyofjosep00fish#page/149/mode/1up
Starts with Thomas Farley & Jane Hungerford parents of Thomas Farley (the immigrant)

1/17/2012 at 3:51 AM

Carole, You are a Wonder Woman. I have again copied and pasted so that I can study very carefully.
Unfortunately, I have a busy day ahead, so will be unable to devote my time today.
I have been researching myself and looking in records for York, Yorkshire from early 1500s. I have come across the name Hastings and also the name Farlay which I assumed might have been the original spelling as I believe Farlaise came over with his uncle Wm the Conqueror 1066 and I have read that he named his 'castle' Farley, to anglasize his name and home town in France. Farlay spelling makes sense too!

I put castle in quotes as I believe it was more like a manor house until the Hungerford Family took possession and turned it into a stone castle. Only the gatehouse remains now I believe, but is viewable by the general public.

Having said this, I did find the spelling of FarlEy later referring to the child " Fabianus filus Rycardi Farley baptizatus xxix die Februarii "
Guess this is in Roman language well know to the clergy of the time.
I feel that the use of the name we spell Fabyan probably ran in this family.

Must dash, but I will return asap and thank you for your time and expertise.

1/17/2012 at 3:58 AM

One last comment, then I must fly! I do not understand this "FIRTHSHIRE".

There is no such county in the United Kingdom!

There is Flintshire in Wales.

Also people get muddled between HEREFORDSHIRE and HERTFORDSHIRE. They are far apart. Herefordshire is close to Worcestershire being west of England. Hertfordshire is EAST of England being close to London area!

Sorry to dash right now.

1/18/2012 at 1:33 PM

Is there also a Firthshire, Scotland? Could possibly Reginald have died in Scotland or Wales? Or is there a Firthshire Street in England?

Firth, Scotland, in Mainland, Shire of Orkney and Shetland, united ecclesiastically with Stenness, 8 m. long.

Interesting Post here about the Farley's, do you know if this is the complete Will of Roger Farley?
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/FARLEY/1999-01/091523...

1/20/2012 at 4:37 AM

Regarding Firthshire. There is no such county in England, Scotland, Ireland or Wales.

There is Flintshire in Wales and Fife in Scotland.

Lots of people seem to add "shire" to many of our counties that were not a "shire".

I believe I have a copy of the Will but have to go out right now.

5/31/2013 at 9:16 AM

Carole,

You said in the discussion that you would probably eventually have to divorce this Beatrice Farley from Reginald Farley. I think the time has come.

There are history of Parliament bios for her husband Sir Edward Hastings -
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1558-1603/member/ha... -
her father William Devereux:
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1558-1603/member/de...
and one of her five children by Sir Edward Hastings:
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1558-1603/member/ha....

Some of the web-sites which accept Reginald Farley as her husband list him as third in the marriage order, and therefore postpone her death until 1619 or so (Sir Edward was definitely alive in late 1602). But clearly she cannot have been producing children by Reginald Farley in the 1560s in this case. Nor can she have been born as early as 1532, when her father was about seven years old. If Reginald Farley was the husband of a Beatrice Devereux, the conclusion seems inescapable that it was a different Beatrice Devereux, I'm afraid.

Mark

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