BARBARA DEVEREAUX 3 TIMES BETROTHED

I have read differing dates of birth for Barbara and I believe it was not until about 1550 that the law of the land was that a record should be kept on births/christenings in England. I have read that she was betrothed to Sir Edward Cayce when she was fifteen years old and two years later Sir Edward died without issue of the pox.
Now some say that Barbara's second husband was Edward Hastings son of Francis Hastings and his wife nee Lady Catherine de la Pole. I wonder if this was her third husband and I would be interested to hear what others think. This marriage appears to have brought forth two sons, Sir Henry and Walter.but I have no knowledge of their birth dates. Her marriage to Reginald Farley is also of variable dates on the www. from 1555 onward. This would make Reginald 20 years old when he married her. but by some reckonings for Barbara she would only be 11 years old!

The dates of the children attributed to Reginald and Barbara seem to run from 1560 to 1572.. My own 9th great grandfather was born 1570.

Can anyone shed a light on accurage dates for births, marriages and children's birthdates as I feel facts are sorely lacking at present. Perhaps if we just state what we have read we can agree amongst ourselves what makes sense?
Ann nee Farley

Hello Ann

I am the Main manager for this Profile, and two of the connected husbands. Do you think this Barbara was married to these three men?

The Profiles for Barbara that I had entered were only married to one man, whether the two Profiles I had were the same Barbara, I am not sure of.

Barbara Hastings married Reginald Farley, one child listed, the other Barbara D'Evereaux married Edward Hastings, I had no children listed. I have no idea about Edward Cayce.

Some one has merged the two separate Barbara's, so the supposition is that she was married to at least the two?

I will try to find some references and post them on the Profiles, if you have any, please post them on the Profiles or this discussion, or send me a link or name of the reference.

Here is some information on Edward, I found his name is also listed as Edward Cave. It is definite that Barbara Evereaux was married to Edward Cayce/Cave and Edward Hastings, I am not sure that the same Barbara was married to the same Reginald Farley, although it could be so, I have only found one reference so far as to her being married to all three and that reference did not have any information about Reginald but his name and he was her 3rd husband.

Genealogical memoirs of the extinct family of Chester of Chicheley (1878)
http://www.archive.org/details/genealogicalmem01wategoog
http://www.archive.org/stream/genealogicalmem01wategoog#page/n118/m...
II. BRYAN CAVE, the seventh son of Richard Cave Esq. of Stanford, by his second wife Margaret Saxby, was one of his father's executors and residuary legatees. On the dissolution of Leicester Abbey he had a large share in the plunder; for the impropriate Rectory of Hungerton and the Manor of Ingarsby were granted to him by the Crown in 1540. He was Sheriff of the united counties of Warwick and Leicester in 1558, and was Sheriff of Leicestershire in 1569, and again in 1582. He married two wives ; but his first wife Margaret was the mother of his children. She was the daughter of Sir George Throckmorton Kt. by Catherine daughter of Nicholas Lord Vaux, by Elizabeth daughter of Henry Lord Fitz-Hugh, by Alice Nevill sister of Richard Earl of Warwick K,G., 'the king-maker.' She had issue four children, namely :
1. EDWARD CAVE, son and heir apparent, married Barbara daughter and coheir of Sir William Devereux Kt., and died without issue in his father's lifetime. His widow Barbara married secondly Sir Edward Hastings Kt., fourth son of Francis Earl of Huntingdon.
2. HENRY CAVE, son and heir, of whom presently.
3. FRANCIS CAVE married and had children.
4. MARY CAVE married Thomas Brown Esq. of Wistow.
Brian Cave married secondly Bridget daughter of Sir William Skipwith Kt. of Ormesby, co. Lincoln, one of the Maids of Honour of Queen Elizabeth ; but she died 26th January 1587-8 without children. (14) Brian Cave lived to a great age, and died 12th September 1592. (14)

Francis [Hastings], 2nd Earl of Huntingdon, KG PC
born c. 1514
mar. 25 Jun 1532 Hon Catharine Pole (d. 23 Sep 1576), 1st dau. and cohrss. of Hon Sir Henry Pole, styled Lord Montagu (by his wife Hon Jane Nevill, 1st dau. by his first wife of George [Nevill], 2nd and 4th Baron Bergavenny), 1st son and heir of Sir Richard Pole KG, Constable of Harlech Castle, by his wife Lady Margaret Plantagenet, styled Countess of Salisbury and de jure Countess of Warwick, only dau. of George [Plantagenet], 1st Duke of Clarence, younger brother of King Edward IV
children
1. Hon Henry Hastings, later 3rd Earl of Huntingdon
2. Hon George Hastings, later 4th Earl of Huntingdon
3. Hon William Hastings (dsp.)
4. Hon Sir Edward Hastings, of Leicester Abbey (d. 1603), mar. Barbara Cave (widow of Edward Cave, of Ingarsby, co. Leicester), 1st dau. and cohrss. of Hon Sir William Devereux, of Mirevale Abbey, co. Warwick (by his wife Jane Scudamore, dau. of John Scudamore, of Holme Lacy), 3rd son by his first wife of Walter [Devereux], 1st Viscount Hereford, and had issue:
1a. Sir Henry Hastings, Sheriff of Leicestershire 1619 (d. 1629), mar. Mabel Faunt (d. 1618), dau. of Antony Faunt, of Foston, co. Leicester, and had issue:
Anne Watkinson, and had issue
2a. Walter Hastings (dsp.)
http://www.cracroftspeerage.co.uk/online/content/Huntingdon1529.htm

Edward Cave1
M, #324304
Last Edited=18 Jul 2010
Edward Cave married Barbara Devereux, daughter of Sir William Devereux and Jane Scudamore.1
He lived at Ingarsby, Leicestershire, England.1
Citations
1.[S37] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 2, page 2005. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
http://www.thepeerage.com/p32431.htm#i324304

Francis Hastings, 2nd Earl of Huntingdon, KG (1514 – 20 June 1561) was the eldest son of George Hastings, 1st Earl of Huntingdon and Anne Stafford, Countess of Huntingdon, the ex-mistress of Henry VIII.[1]
Francis married Catherine Pole on 25 June 1532. She was a daughter of Henry Pole, 11th Baron Montacute and Jane Neville. Jane was in turn a daughter of George Nevill, 4th Baron Bergavenny and Margaret Fenne. They had eleven children:
Frances Anne Hastings (1533–1574). Married Henry Compton, 1st Baron Compton and was mother of William Compton, 1st Earl of Northampton.
Henry Hastings, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon (1536 – 14 December 1595).
William Hastings (b. 1537).
George Hastings, 4th Earl of Huntingdon (1540 – 3 December 1604).
Sir Edward Hastings (1541 – 1603?). Married Barbara Deveraux, daughter of Sir William Deveraux and Jane Sccudamore. Her paternal grandfather was Walter Devereux, 1st Viscount Hereford. She was the sole heir of both her father and her previous husband Edward Cayce. Her considerable inheritance included Leicester Abbey.
Catherine Hastings (11 August 1542 – 22 September 1576). Married Henry Clinton, 2nd Earl of Lincoln and was mother of Thomas Clinton, 3rd Earl of Lincoln.
Walter Hastings (1544 – 20 August 1616). Married Joyce Roper.
Elizabeth Hastings (c. 1546 – 24 August 1621). Married Edward Somerset, 4th Earl of Worcester.
Anne Hastings (b. 1548).
Francis Hastings (c. 1550 – 26 September 1610). Married Maud Longdord.
Mary Hastings (b. 1552).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Hastings,_2nd_Earl_of_Huntingdon

Barbara DEVEREUX
Born: 1542, Myrevale, Warwickshire, England
Notes: eldest daughter and heir. Shortly after her 15th birthday, was married to her first husband, Sir Edward Cayce. Two years after nuptials, Sir Edward was taken ill with the pox and died. Since there had been no issue from this marriage, she inherited all of his property, including Leicester Abbey.
Father: William DEVEREUX (Sir)
Mother: Jane SCUDAMORE
Married 1: Edward CAYCE (Sir)
Married 2: Edward HASTINGS (Sir) ABT 1567/1570, England
Children:
1. Henry HASTINGS (Sir)
2. Walter HASTINGS
Married 3: Reginald FARLEY
http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/DEVEREUX.htm#Barbara DEVEREUX1

Thank you so much for your data. I have copied it and will read and study it most carefully asap. I really would like to learn the true facts as this involves me very much as Reginald Farley was my tenth great grandfather and it is stupid to be off on a wild goose chase!

I think it is a shame we do not know her true date of birth and the dates for her marriage to Hastings seem to vary from one website to another. I have found that things can be picked up on the www and repeated which are entirely wrong but obviously stated at the time in good faith. I have similar problems with my 9th GGF who is purported to have emigrated to America with his brothers, but I do not think he did as I am descended from him and I was born in England.

I do hope others who are interested will join us in the research, as I am not as young as I was and my internet speed is pretty slow in Wales.
Ann

Carole, I am pretty certain that Barbara was betrothed to the two men as the first "marriage" was purported to be when she was fifteen years old and the betrothed died two years later. I have read so often that even babies were "betrothed" perhaps to an older person and they could die before the nuptuals were performed. I believe the King did a lot of match making and did not wait for his pawns to reach marriagable age!

The Farley line is from my aunt by marriage (since have found she was distantly blood related) she passed away in 1999. This seems to be the case a lot where the references you can find do not give any dates or they fluctuate all over and you don't know which is correct. Yes I have seen several others that were married when children, and at least one couple had it annuled when they were older.

Getting very late here 3:32 AM, I will turn in and probably won't be able to get back to this until late evening.

Carole, I have read carefully what you put above and also visited the websites. I now have serious doubts about the wife of Reginald Farley. He made a will and so I must examine that again. In fact, from my notes I see that he is purported to have married a Barbara Hastings. Perhaps there was a maiden with the surname Hastings rather than Devereaux. Someone perhaps jumped the gun over her name?

I have also read the connection with the Hungerfords yet again, so I guess I am connected yet again via this family.

I wonder if my Barbara Hastings was a daughter of one of these?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Hastings,_2nd_Earl_of_Huntingdon

Francis married Catherine Pole on 25 June 1532. She was a daughter of Henry Pole, 11th Baron Montacute and Jane Neville. Jane was in turn a daughter of George Nevill, 4th Baron Bergavenny and Margaret Fenne. They had eleven children:
Frances Anne Hastings (1533–1574). Married Henry Compton, 1st Baron Compton and was mother of William Compton, 1st Earl of Northampton.
Henry Hastings, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon (1536 – 14 December 1595).
William Hastings (b. 1537).
George Hastings, 4th Earl of Huntingdon (1540 – 3 December 1604).
Sir Edward Hastings (1541 – 1603?). Married Barbara Deveraux, daughter of Sir William Deveraux and Jane Sccudamore. Her paternal grandfather was Walter Devereux, 1st Viscount Hereford. She was the sole heir of both her father and her previous husband Edward Cayce. Her considerable inheritance included Leicester Abbey.
Catherine Hastings (11 August 1542 – 22 September 1576). Married Henry Clinton, 2nd Earl of Lincoln and was mother of Thomas Clinton, 3rd Earl of Lincoln.
Walter Hastings (1544 – 20 August 1616). Married Joyce Roper.
Elizabeth Hastings (c. 1546 – 24 August 1621). Married Edward Somerset, 4th Earl of Worcester.
Anne Hastings (b. 1548).
Francis Hastings (c. 1550 – 26 September 1610). Married Maud Longdord.
Mary Hastings (b. 1552).
Well, I guess one of the above males!

Reginald Farley was born 1530 so I guess he married a girl younger.
I now need to refer to my files on Reginald. I know he was a leading cloth industrialist with his own trademark which he left to a son in his will.
I wish I had noted where I read this....
Reginald Farley, born 1530 in Towthorpe, Yorkshire, died 1622 in , England. He was the son of Richard Farley and Joan Eausham. He married Barbara Hastings Abt. 1562 in Yorkshire, England.
We live and learn.

ho ho ho ... look what I found! and written a good few years ago too....
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/FARLEY/2000-09/096846...

Subject: Barbara HASTINGS(?)and Reginald FARLEY
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 19:51:29 -0500

Hello all,
After considerable trolling about and delving into the references that I
have, I continue to wonder about the Barbara Hastings who married
Reginald Farley. I cannot find a Barbara Hastings anywhere in the
pedigree of the Hastings Earls of Huntingdon. I have found an
unconfirmed note in genforum that Barbara Hastings was not born a
Hastings, but was, instead, a daughter of Sir Walter Devereaux by his
wife, Jane Scudamore.
Unfortunately, I can't find anything else to confirm this alleged
Devereaux connection.

So, I am left wondering as to who this Barbara Hastings really was. If
she is of a different Hastings family and not directly kin to the Earls
of Huntingdon, I could buy that, except that I don't find any other
Hastings families that might provide a connection, and I especially
don't find them around Towthorpe, Yorkshire.

Frankly, I am at a loss as to how to explain Barbara. Either this is a
genealogical BFO(blinding flash of the obvious)and the answer is right
under my nose OR she truly is an enigma and everyone else is just as
baffled as I am; in which case, I feel better, but not much.

If anyone out there has an opinion that I have not aired or, better yet,
if someone out there actually has the bona fide answer for Barbara
Hastings' ancestry, I would certainly be glad and relieved to hear from
you.
Regards to all,

--
Larry D. Hamilton Coats
P.O. Box 823
Aspermont, TX 79502

So many others are searching like me!

Ann, sorry I was not able to get on Geni yesterday.

I will continue searching, these are a couple of references for Reginald.

1601–2.—HILARY TERM, 44 ELIZABETH.
Richard Etherington, esq.
Henry Bulmer, gent., and Ann his wife and Reginald Farley, gent., and Barbara his wife
2 messuages and 2 cottages with lands in Snaynton, Ebberston, and Huton Bushell.
From: 'Yorkshire Fines: 1602', Feet of Fines of the Tudor period [Yorks]: part 4: 1594-1603 (1890), pp. 179-203. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=49721 Date accessed: 15 January 2012.

The visitation of Herefordshire made by Robert Cooke, Clarencieux, in 1569 (1886)
http://www.archive.org/details/visitationofhere00cookrich
http://www.archive.org/stream/visitationofhere00cookrich#page/27/mo...
CHART - Evesham
Joane, doghter of Willm. Evesham, mar. to Richard Farley and have issue 1591. mar. Richard Farley, son and heier of John Farley of Wellington's Hall in Wellington, seconde son of (John, Harl. 1545), Farley, of Bosbury 1591 ch: Humfrey Farley.