Sharron(Grilk) Madigan - Authority over people's names on Geni

I have a question. Is it right that one person creates accounts for people in their family tree without them knowing. And then to have the account blocked from the individual whos name it is and who should rightfully own it. Also provide incorrect spelling and information which is missleading. Is it actually ok in the law of Australia to publish peoples information on the internet without permission? Private User

Thank you for your discussion Christine. Your question baffles me, considering you are the person who has been vandalising my profile, and on several occasions! I have obtained Geni's assistance in dealing with you and your question.I don't actually put personal information on here, that's all in the family tree I own. Would you like any of the photos, stories, personal information removed from that, Christine? When I return from my holiday in Europe I will then see if you and Geni have sorted out your issues. Again, thank you for your discussion. :)

Thank you finally for some response Sharron. I do not understand why you are baffled when I have made it quite clear that my information you have put up is incorrect. Missspelt, and inaccurate. Also I have asked on several occassions that you hand over control of my name and that of my children to which you have consistantly denied. in respect to vandalising.. all I have been doing is putting statements and comments on my own profile and that of yours because you choose to ignore my requests. and in essence is not vandalism it is a statement about you and your representation of me and my family on this tree... You have put personal information on here because under australian law a name is considered an identifier and as such identifies me as an individual and also identifies my family. you had my childrens profiles public. I dont understand what you mean by family tree you own.. because for what ever you own sharron it is not me or my childrens information. I have never waivered that right to my information. you have never asked how I feel or if I wished to participate. Me and my children not being on your tree does not affect it. When my children are adults it will be their choice if they wish to Join Grandma and Pa's family tree because really the tree should belong to either your mother or father because that is where it stems from. what photos are you talking about. I am not about asking about other peoples information .. simply my own immediate families. this includes myself, my husband and my children. so I have no idea what you are on about!!!! who cares if your going to europe. I will be dealing with Geni about this matter and really am interested in the outcome because Geni is an american site but I am an australian citizen and will be looking at legal issues under australian law not americans... will happily fill you in. But my question remains the same. Why can you not hand over the account that you created for me instead of holding a name place card for me which is what Geni suggests you do when creating a family tree. PS would love to see how it is that you (OWM) this tree and any of the rights associated with the individuals on it. esp the ones that are still alive???????

sorry Would love to see how it is that you (OWN) this tree and any rights associcated with the individuals on it. What proof do you have that you own all this information?

Oh and other question. Why is it your children are the only other people with access to this tree.

I don't care what you think, This service is provided by Geni, whether it is American or Australian. You have never asked for anything. You started changing my information without my permission. You never asked me to hand anything over to you. And that is a fact. I have responded to your questions many times. Where are those emails? You need to take this matter up with Geni and stop harassing me. I can't do anything they don't allow. And as far as what you have done, YOU have written in my "about me" as I was talking about myself, saying I am not very nice person. NOW that is the only wrong and illegal thing here. The tree I was referring to owning was MY family tree, that MY Grandmother wanted me to have.This "discusion" is over.

I have asked for control from you on numerous occassions. I have just gotten a letter back from legal department in NSW who have refferred me on to someone else. show me the responses??? The only reason I am harrassing and you know it is because I want access and control over mine and my familys files. there in this discussion I have asked for it now twice. The name you have for me has been created as a user and not as a place card. they are two different things. Yes I did write in your about me which now that I have an open dialogue I will discease with that. That has been the biggest issue with you that you do not respond. I have had no response from you what so ever. Gee saying your not a nice person and stating that you fail to ask people if they wish to be part of the tree is a fact. Thats right sharron your family tree... whether or not your grandmother wanted you to have it or not do you really think she would be happy knowing that your upsetting new generations with the tree... I dont care about your family or your family tree. but as far as im concerned it stops at richard for you .. esp without my permission. my children are under 13 and you made their profiles public. you added them without my consent and you have been inconsistant with the way you list children. not all the children have been listed have they now sharron and to top it off you went and added another one of my children to the tree after you KNEW I DID NOT WISH TO PARTAKE. So sit there and tell me that your being fair? wether or not my intentions were clear to you or not you know exactly who I am and you could have acknowledged my first request which was remove me and my children. you have since ignored the leave me and my family out of your family tree and you have now ignored twice in public that me or my children do not wish to be on the tree. so there ya go...discussion will be over when I get what I want ... and that is when it will end.

Oh and by the way Geni assume that all that is on here is done so in the best manner to suit everyone using it .. just because it has a section that says what is this information it does not mean it is not right to fill it out... You are an Australian and as such are governed by australian law. I consider this a breach of privacy. and where pretel did you obtain the information about me and richard and our children? where did you get your facts from. ?

Show me you "OWN" the individuals listed on here's information and the right to make it public.???

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO ALL THAT I CHRISTINE GRILK NEE POLO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CONTROL OF MY FILE ON THIS FAMILY TREE ALONG WITH THAT OF MY CHILDREN. I WOULD LIKE TO RESERVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE MY INFORMATION ON HERE AND WHO SEES MY INFORMATION. I AM ASKING FOR CONTROL OF THOSE FILES. THIS REQUEST SHOULD IT BE MET WILL MEAN THAT I WILL LEAVE THE TREE ALONE COMPLETELY AND JUST MONITOR MINE AND MY CHILDRENS INFORMATION. ONCE MY CHILDREN TURN THE LEGAL AGE TO DESIDE FOR THEMSELVES I WILL NOTIFY THEM OF THIS TREE AND HAND THEM THEIR FILES TO DO WHAT THEY WISH WITH. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH

Under Australian law it is not possible to obtain information about individuals unless that information has been classified as historical. this means that publishing births, deaths or marriages pertaining to individuals that are not historical are considered by the australian government as private. I have asked you to reveal your scource of information pertaining to myself and my children as it is obvious you know about your own brothers birth. However there is no way possible that you could know the birth details of myself or my children and or my marriages or that of your brothers. except via hearsay information. so again I would like to ask what source are you using as a basis for mine and my childrens information who are still considered minors.

Christine, this is the last comment I will make on the subject. Don't ever threaten me again. If you have nothing productive to say or add to the family tree ,your contact with me is not welcome. Under Geni 'terms and conditions" THEY hide any information from any family tree, of children under 13 years of age. You can see those profiles because you are their mother and you are in the family. Do you understand that? You need to familiarise yourself with Geni properly. Others are not able to see them. And as I have said before, in an earlier email, I did NOT make this family tree, nor did my children.Have a nice day and Goodbye.

It looks like feelings have run too high to state this but it would be great if reconciliation were possible here as it seems you two must be related. Can i just point you to the Manager options in the 'Actions' link in the top right of the profile page. In Manager options you can add someone as a manager. If you are on each other's 'family group' you can share the tree as one tree between you i.e. not 'owned' by anyone and extend it together.

I might add that it sounds like one or both of you may have blocked the other and so not recieved the messages sent. This is possible on Geni. It could be this rather than someone refusing to respond.

I hope this at least sheds some light on your situation and with some hope helps to resolve the situation.

Hi Terry,

Thanks for your input. I have had no issues on here in the 3 years I have using Geni. It was set up by distant family member and they made me manager. Perhaps I should have declined? :) Anyway, Christine is my sister in-law, whom I have met once, many years ago. Just saying: for a person who wants to stay private, she is doing a good job of making it public. :)

Thanks again for your input.

Sharron