GUESStimated dates, the Geni way and other suggestions

Started by Alex Moes on Thursday, October 25, 2012

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10/25/2012 at 8:21 PM

There is currently a feature request that Geni allows more options when an exact date for an event is not known:
http://help.geni.com/entries/20504158-add-before-after-and-between-...

At the moment Geni's software will attempt to estimate a date of birth based on nearby profiles in the tree but the range of dates can be so wide as to be practically useless.

10/25/2012 at 8:30 PM

In the Collaboration Pool thread i posted:

"When i started on Geni a very wise curator taught me to estimate parent's date of birth based on date of birth of eldest child minus 30 years.
It gives a far more accurate guess/estimate than Geni's calculation.
Use the "circa" check next to a date for your aunts and uncles, you may not know their actual births but surely can "guess" to within a ten year range.

Totally off topic for this thread :)"

To follow my own advice i've deleted that post and subsequent posts from that thread to avoid spamming everyone that is following the Collaboration Pool.

Private User
10/25/2012 at 8:48 PM

Thank you for starting a separate topic. You might as to "tag" those from the other thread so they get a notification and know to follow this discussion.

Private User
10/25/2012 at 8:51 PM

Well, Alex , I don't get Geni and their censuring things. If something insulting or nasty was said , I can understand deleting convesations. But when a valid remark and complain is made they want ya out of there. The five year rule that both you and I would be acceptable , I think should be implimented.

Private User
10/25/2012 at 8:54 PM

I started one a week ago and since no one jumped on ,I decided to comment on the other discussion,

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10/25/2012 at 8:55 PM

Should we go back a delete ourselves?

Private User
10/25/2012 at 9:06 PM

Geni, please do consider the Before/After option. For my two cents worth, I think that a Before/After option is far superior to an estimated range - and definitely don't reduce them. Before/After enables real dates confirmed in research data (eg" I know from his marriage announcement that he was the 2nd son, but I don't have his birthdate, however I do have it for an older or a younger brother...) to be applied. Personally, I don't have a taste for a "bucket chemistry" method of research, which guesstimated dates really is. The existing ranges, large as they are, help to reduce matches from vastly different generations, hopefully without excluding real matches for dates outside the "norm". Gosh, the amount of times I have been surprised to find unexpected arrangements - an old spinster marries a widower in her 60's - or a girl has a child at 12 in Wiltshire, UK, to the 28 year old man who would then marry my auntie back in the early 1800's - just two off the top of my head. Human lifespans and breeding patterns are not predictable enough to preclude the unusual. Just look around at the world today. Ramajit Raghav (aged 96), the oldest recorded father of a first child (2010) just had his second son with his 52 year old wife (see: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/10/18/worlds-oldest-dad-96-fathers-an...). Have a look at Charlie Chaplin's life. Another article tells us how 70 year old Rajo Devi Lohan gave birth to her first child, described in an article at http://rarelyknown.org/2011/07/22/worlds-oldest-mother-and-father includes the previous record holder for a Dad too, who had his 21st child at 90 to his 4th wife. My brother went to school on the Central Coast NSW with a boy who's father was 78 when he was born, and was then in his 80's. The boys half-brother was a grandfather. The reality of humanity doesn't always fit in a box, so why try and put it there. My vote is for generously wide date ranges combined with the Before/After option.

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10/25/2012 at 9:10 PM

Michele

I don't think anyone at Geni disagrees!

However my understanding is this is easier asked for than implemented, alas.

The estimated range showing is a new smaller tool that is very helpful in trying to cope with the unfortunately quite a few profiles entered without dates at all.

What would you recommend as a best practice for those of us entering data and building our trees using the existing technology?

10/25/2012 at 9:10 PM

Judy,
The problem with starting random conversations about different topics in a discussion thread is that everyone who was previously interested in and following the original discussion gets interrupted.
I feel for you though, most of my discussions disappear with never a response either :)

Private User
10/25/2012 at 11:21 PM

Zvonimir Rogoz, died age 100, fathered one of his
Children at the age of 96
He was also famous as the first man appearing nude in the movie

My guesses are often so close - it is surprising how well it works if you take all info you have in consideration

Private User
10/26/2012 at 6:54 AM
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10/26/2012 at 7:40 AM

At least some people ate interested in this one and are talking!

Private User
10/26/2012 at 10:17 AM

Just an idea - and it's a little left-field, but could we use the events in timeline? If Geni was to add some programming that detected events with a standard wording that would trigger clues, you could use the words "Born After" "Died Before" or various other standard phrases for the Event Title, then the relevant date could be placed in the event date. Could the system be programmed to recognise and use such events and dates to modify the range?

Private User
10/26/2012 at 10:47 AM

It's a good idea. I'm going to try manually creating the events "born before" and "died after" in my profiles as it comes up. Thanks!

In the medieval tree and the merge environment of similar names, the Geni enhancement and range has already proven immensely useful to me. I dont need a more refined range to affirm or reject a match, and it is helping with matches.

Private User
10/26/2012 at 5:05 PM

That sounds good.

Private User
10/27/2012 at 5:53 AM

Trying to fill in dates on as many as I can.Then my problrm will be solved. Hopefully someone in Geni can come up with and implement a good solution for this problem.Heck I wish they add a spell check on Geni. I would love since. Since mine won't work on this new laptop.

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