Physicians - how do we want these listed?

Started by Private User on Tuesday, October 30, 2012

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Private User
10/30/2012 at 4:28 AM

Can we have some guidelines on how to add people to this project please? At the moment the lists seem top be chronological within the centuries - would it be better/ easer if they were listed in alphabetical order?

Private User
10/30/2012 at 4:43 AM

Yes, list them in alphabetical order within the centuries, if you wish. It is allways people out there at internet who can see how things shall be done the best way. Aspecially people who can write English the way it shall be written, which I can not. I hope this will be a good project.

Private User
10/30/2012 at 4:45 AM

Due to the changes in medicine and medical treatment through the ages, I recommend to keep it as is.

Private User
10/30/2012 at 5:08 AM

Private User - in chronological order of birth? alphabetical is easy to refer to - depends on what you are trying to do - if you want a chronological record of medical progress and advancement then it has to be in order of discovery - people don't discover things according to their age!

Example-
Sam Brown born in 1805 discovers something in 1850 when he is 45,
John Smith born in 1800 discovers something in 1860 - when he was 60

the chronological order based on birth -

John Smith
Sam Brown

but chronological based on date of the discovery

Sam Brown
John Smith

So - for me alphabetical is less complicated!

Private User
10/30/2012 at 5:17 AM

June Barnes: Do not give up !

Private User
10/30/2012 at 5:35 AM

Anyway which system you want to list the names: Do not delete anything at all of the names and data.

Private User
10/30/2012 at 9:38 AM

Private User would never do that!!

10/31/2012 at 4:39 AM

In the project about the swedish pharmacists we did a list alphabetic within the frame of the centuries. Then there is a problem with thoose born in one century and working in the next. In the swedish priest-project I think the year of birth is the year for listing. For medicine it's odd if the person was born 1698 and made all the big discoveries in late life, let's say 1762.

If in alphabetic order and if the english alhabet is used I would be sure my close relative (now living) will not be correct listed or not be found if listed. In some of the english/american projects lists with swedish/scandinavian names this is obvious to me, but is not aloud to be changed as that would be making the projects to much "european" or something like that. So maybe it's better to use geographical lists?

Private User
10/31/2012 at 5:39 AM

Recognition for me: in the projects -I started originally- about Mayors of all TIMES and of all PLACES we could documentate, I thought it wise to range them by FAMILY-naam, for it is my experience when I started genealogy -in about 1990- I always wanted to know first: are there relatives of mine involved? In the meantime we have a very uncomforable working-cooperation where an important c. is starting lots of projects with lists, ONLY in order of co-optation, whereever the function or crafts was done, nor in what circumstances. I myself continue the A-B-C approach in combination with time-line orders, so you can make TWO lists in one project-paragraph.

But before geni-working very close with Private User, who did a great job there- on the huge TITANIC-job, I experienced again the benefits of ordering in order of NAME, rather then in order of TIME or SPACE. It's in that sense to be comparable with an algebra-puzzle, do you start with searching for the X, the Y, or is it the Z that finally gives you the clue to unpuzzle the chaos of a cross-country journey through genealogy.... groetUnu-jMVu-

Private User
10/31/2012 at 6:57 AM

Difficult. It seems that most people don't add the text to the project anyway so perhaps this is purely academic? :-) There are over 50 profiles attached to the project and I think less than half are written up on the project.

Private User
10/31/2012 at 7:21 AM

Private User, you mean linking IN the text instead of linking ON the page? I hope I use the correct english words in relation to linking. It keeps me quit some time for 'redaction' in projects with collegues not too familiar with WIKI-usage to pick-up their attributions to the page by 'outside-ON-linking' to bring that information in the page by 'inside-IN-linking', but I see that as part of my responsability of starting projects with some sort of a focus. In Titanic my focus was contribution as a helper to bring those huge amount of souls together in geni before the 12th of april, in other projects you can take your time for years or even more to fullfill your -academic?- dreams.... groet, jeannette.

1/7/2015 at 3:55 AM

All the "physicians" in Sweden are kind of lost since the project about physicians in common and not only "prominent" persons are erased from the Geni project list of mine.

In Sweden there was not many physicians, but they became more and more a powerful cathegory. Especially male physicians. The female healers was totally excluded and the female medicine students and "Doctors" in Sweden was aloud to study on the universities at the end of 1800:s. The was not aloud to become "medical doctors" and as in the taliban-areas of the world today, they was aloud to work only with "female matters". They were never aloud to become "prominent" in what seems to be the selection values here. It's a geneaological problem to me to exclude all these women.//Agneta

1/7/2015 at 4:10 AM

E.g. is

the professor of criminology psyciatric medicine in Sweden Olof Wilhelm Kinberg and his first wife (of three) Julia Rosenbaum

None of them now exist as "prominent" on Geni. Julia Rosenbaum remarried and was an extremally prominent person as she was one of the first female physicians in Sweden, prominent in the health care among women and children and also in the political work to educate women and children, the vote movment etc.

Olof Kinberg is today a very interesting "case" in the swedish discussion today as he worked hard to change the "re breeding" of the criminals in prisons and in psyciatric care. The discussion is mainly about what he did as practionary psychiatric doctor versus his work as professor.

One promblem I can see with this "prominent" value as a category is e. g. Sokrates mother Sapphue, who was a obstetrician but femal and thereby called midwife. Was she "prominent"?

Private User
1/7/2015 at 9:23 AM

Do we change the title to plain Physicians and Healers - bearing in mind that we have "Is there a Doctor in the House?"

Private User
1/7/2015 at 9:25 AM

...also Famous Psychologists and General Practitioners

1/8/2015 at 3:26 AM

I looked through the alternatives among the projects. None of them fits for me and the swedish profiles since there are so confusing habits and values behind e.g. "a Doctor in the house". Many physicians have chosen to not make a carriear academically and don't ever become M. Dr. but although call themselves "Doctor". It's so common that people get confused. (A friend of mine once heard a guest at a meeting was a Doctor. She, as many, did ask him about a very intimate problem she had phyically. She got the answer: I really feel sorry for you and I must tell I cannot help even if I would be able to. But I'm a Doctor in History")

And how to treat the females who are nurses and midwifes and M. Dr, but not physicians?

And what happened with all the to the connected profiles to "Physicians ..."?

Private User
1/10/2015 at 12:04 AM

Private User can you help here?

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