Christoffel Snyman, SV/PROG - Is Snyman derived from Seugnet (Senaye) (Senayement =? from Senaye)

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9/16/2014 at 12:50 AM

y-DNA testing is conclusive when one has a unique family SNP that can be used as a marker. Kornelius Snyman has tested positive for the unique and rare Z60 SNP that belongs to the I1 y-DNA haplogroup.

More Snyman males need to participate in the project for us to confirm whether the I1-Z60 haplogroup can be considered the Snyman paternal marker. http://www.geni.com/documents

Any Snyman male can test for Z60 at FTDNA under advanced order SNPs or independently at YSEQ for $35. https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/test-types/y-chromosome-y-dna-a...

J P Weyers

5/31/2021 at 12:32 AM

Only one individual / descendant have tested his ydna and confirmed I-M253 .
Inconclusive needs at leat 2 more from different descendancy lines to confirm his ydna haplogroup

Sharon Doubell C

5/31/2021 at 12:35 AM

Would be so great to get them.

Sharon Doubell C

5/31/2021 at 12:39 AM

Haplogroup I (M170)
Main article: Haplogroup I (Y-DNA)
Haplogroup I (M170, M258) is found mainly in Europe and the Caucasus.

Haplogroup I1 Nordid/Nordic Europids (M253) Found mainly in northern Europe
Haplogroup I2 Dinarid/Dinaric Europids (P215) Found mainly in Balkans, southeast Europe and Sardinia save for I2B1 (m223) which is found at a moderate frequency in Western, Central, and Northern Europe.

The z seems to be a different taxonomy system.

Sharon Doubell C

5/31/2021 at 12:40 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Y-chromosome_DNA_haplogroup#Haplogroup_I_(M170)

J P Weyers

5/31/2021 at 12:47 AM

The Z is a further SNP marker .
But also not uncommon in Ukraine and Slovenia .
Look at amount of van Rensburg descendants tested that becomes then a confirmed haplogroup.
On FTDNA other surnanes lnked to Z snp marker ?

Sharon Doubell C

5/31/2021 at 2:23 AM

On geni, I can only see one Snyman tested.
Y haplogroups are far less unique than MtDNA haplogroups, as I see it, so many surnames share the same Y haplogroups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_Z

J P Weyers

5/31/2021 at 2:57 AM

See you have also seen that !
It is the further SNP's that start differentiating .
I am R-U106 haplogroup but 3000 to 5000 years separate me from other R-U106 's . I test negative to all current SNP's that can be tested so have to wait till FTDNA can make new snp tests .
I mention this because being same haplogroup can mean 5000 years separate ancestors.
Similar situation with van Rensburg descendants the differences / Time periods are too big they can not all be descendants of Claas Jansz van Rensburg . some are but some are not his descendants even though all I-M253 haplogroup.

J P Weyers

5/31/2021 at 3:00 AM

I-Z58 (S244/Z58); I1a2

I-Z59 (S246/Z59); I1a2a
I-Z60 (S337/Z60, S439/Z61, Z62); I1a2a1
I-Z140 (Z140, Z141)
I-L338
I-F2642 (F2642)
I-Z73
I-L1302
I-L573
I-L803
I-Z382; I1a2a2
I-Z138 (S296/Z138, Z139); I1a2b
I-Z2541

See above Z60 then divide further snp's

I-Z140 (Z140, Z141)
I-L338
I-F2642 (F2642)
I-Z73
I-L1302
I-L573
I-L803

These can be 1000 years separation .

J P Weyers

5/31/2021 at 3:02 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I-M253

Look under structure .

Sharon Doubell C

5/31/2021 at 3:03 AM

The best one is my Dad's: R-M269 that belongs to half the world, it seems :-)

Sharon Doubell C

5/31/2021 at 3:12 AM

On the Geni SV/PROG DNA project, we only consider the Haplogroup as 'proved' if we have triangulation from, where possible, 3 separate descent lines. So this is def still predicted. (Although it appears that ours is at least the 2nd descendant - the other being Kornelius Snyman - with this DNA)

However -

given that 2 Snyman surnamed descendants have tested with a 'non-slave' Y DNA that is consistent with a German father
and that the records at the Cape tell us that Catrijn was having sex with the soldier Hans Christoffel Snijman before Christoffel's birth
and that she chose to name him with this man's names

it can be said with a far greater degree of certainty than 50%, that Christoffel is likely to be Hans's son, and not Anthonie's.

J P Weyers

5/31/2021 at 3:25 AM

I was R-M269 about 1000 or 15000 years ago .

J P Weyers

5/31/2021 at 3:33 AM

Kornelius Snyman

Christoffel Snijman  Kornelius Snyman patrilineal descent Christoffel Snijman 1669-1706 ↓Philippus Snyman ca.1701-ca.1733
↓Jacobus Snyman ca. 1732-?
↓Philippus Snyman ca. 1757-1808
↓Johannes Hendrik Snyman 1796-1865
↓Petrus Jacobus Snyman 1854-1938
↓Sarel Daniel Snyman 1885-1941
↓Ds. Phillippus Snyman 1924-2012
↓Kornelius Snyman

found him --you must ask him Sharon to add his YDNA results to Geni !

J P Weyers

5/31/2021 at 3:44 AM

Nordic ancesty ? How far back ?
Same /similar Y-DNA found in Zeeland , Ukraine , Slovenia , Sicilly , Italy , Scotland , Orkney Islands and UK -so Nordic origin could have been 3000 years ago even . The Norsemen in France are of Nordic origin .

Catharina "Groote Catrijn" van Paliacatta seemed to have been no WHIRGIN or Angel so anyone could have been his father it seems to me .

Sharon Doubell C

5/31/2021 at 4:46 AM

On the Wikipedia I M253 page, the only Z6 subclad is this one: I-Z63 and it is most common in England, Scotland, GERMANY, Iberia and Poland

Sharon Doubell C

5/31/2021 at 4:47 AM

I do not know the status of Catrijn's angelic interventions at all :-)

J P Weyers

5/31/2021 at 6:19 AM

My grt granny Catrijn one of the first ' bandiet ' send to the Cape .
Then I see Christoffel himself liked a good knife fight as well .
Sounds like Cape Town definitely !

Sharon Doubell C

6/1/2021 at 12:56 AM

:-)

Christoffel Snyman, SV/PROG - Is Snyman derived from Seugnet (Senaye) (Senayement =? from Senaye)

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