Wintons of Seton

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Private User
8/3/2013 at 2:56 PM

****According to this book this family of Seaton was better known by the Stile of Winton.***

Source= http://books.google.com/books?id=HFAJAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA117&lpg=...
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sayes brother to Ninian Seaton laird of Touch in Stirlingshire a family that was if I mistake not a branch of the ancient family of Seatons better knowen by the stile of Winton descended from Alexander de Seaton whom Sir James Dalrymple gives us as a witnes in a charter of our King David to the very ancient family of Riddel of that Ilk Whatever be in this this gentlman as was ordinary at this time had education and probably for services in the church
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This Ninian Seton is the same person as Sir Ninian Seton, 3rd of Touch, found elsewhere in Geni. It is therefore being merged.
Sir Ninian Seton, 3rd of Touch

Alexander Seton, Friar

Alexander Seton, Sir

Private User
8/5/2013 at 2:05 AM

Notice this book talks of The Arms of Wyntoun, dated in Stirling 2nd January 1411.

Source= http://books.google.com/books?id=GwcRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA608&lpg=...

PAGE- 608
Charter of confirmation by James I King of Scotland confirming a charter of his cousin John Stewart formerly Earl of Buchan to David de Wintoun of the lands of Andyt in the earldom of Buchan to be held by the said David and Janet of Keth hii spouse and their heirs male whom failing by Ingcram de Wyntoun cousin of the said David and the heirs male of his body whom all failing by his nearest heirs male bearing the name and arms of Wyntoun Dated at Stirling 2nd Jannary 1411 Witnesses Malcolm Flemyng Lord of Bygurc Alexander Scton Lord of Gordon and others The charter of confirmation is dated at Edinburgh 17th September 1423

Private User
8/8/2013 at 12:58 AM
Private User
8/8/2013 at 1:03 AM
8/8/2013 at 7:46 PM

I think ye olde Englishe might be confusing ye.

"the stile of Winton" in my (humble) opinion in modern English would read "the style of Winton".

I think the author is saying that there is a family commonly known as Winton who are a branch of the Seaton family.

Private User
8/9/2013 at 12:55 AM

Exactly what I'm talking about Alex, so how come the only ones I see on Geni is the ones that I have put? Where is all the Winton family of Seton at?

Private User
8/9/2013 at 4:42 AM

http://www2.thesetonfamily.com:8080/cadets/The_Modern_Cadets.htm

Branches of the Seton family:
Edmonstone
Falside
Gordon
Montgomerie
Oliphant
Tytler
Winton

Private User
8/9/2013 at 4:44 AM
Private User
8/9/2013 at 4:51 AM

Now the branch of Seton this book is referring to from what I understand, is of Ninian Seton, and what I am wondering is why his last name is not Winton if they are better known by the Style of Winton? I don't see the Edmondstone's, Falside's, Gordon's, Montgomerie's, Oliphant's, and Tytlers surnames carrying the Seton surname.

Private User
8/9/2013 at 5:11 AM

Henry de Wincester
Henry De Wyntoun, of Wrychhouses (Wrighthouses) - Kept his fathers Surname of WINTON *NOTE* Later Chronicler of Scotland..... Andrew Wyntoun

Private User
8/9/2013 at 5:14 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_SetonThe Wintons
The Setons were granted the lands of Winton c.1152 by Scotland's King David I, which grant was re-confirmed in a charter to them, to Philip de Seton, from William the Lion in 1169. Philip de Seton bestowed Winton on his 2nd son who thus became de Winton and who's descent Alan de Winton later married the heiress Margaret Seton. Alan's eldest son, William adopted his mothers surname and continued the line of the Seton's and became the 1st Lord Seton.[2]

Private User
8/9/2013 at 5:54 AM

http://www2.thesetonfamily.com:8080/home/The_House_of_Seton_2.htm

Eventually the direct male-line of the Seton's ended with the heiress Margaret de Seton, who married her cousin Alan de Winton, himself a Seton descended from Philip de Seton who had recieved the Charter of the Lands of Winton in 1169, and who's branch of the family had taken their name of Winton from their estate of Winton which they had recieved in patrimony.

Private User
8/9/2013 at 6:58 AM

http://www2.thesetonfamily.com:8080/cadets/The_Extended_Nobility.htm

Other Male-lines of the Seton Family (surname change)
Winton Johnstone Tytler Edmonstone Seton-Karr

Private User
8/9/2013 at 7:29 AM

http://www2.thesetonfamily.com:8080/cadets/Winton_Family.htm

From Philip stems the family of Winton, and in the style of the times, his son took as their family name that of their estate. Sources: "The History of the House of Seytoun to the Year MDLIX", Sir Richard Maitland of Lethington, Knight, with the Continuation, by Alexander Viscount Kingston, to MDCLXXXVII. Printed at Glasgow, MDCCCXXIX. "A History of the Family of Seton during Eight Centuries" George Seton, Advocate, M.A. Oxon., etc. Two vols. Edinburgh, 1896"An Old Family" Monsignor Seton, Call Number: R929.2 S495

Private User
8/10/2013 at 11:12 AM

Check this out from this book!

English Society in the Eleventh Century: Essays in English Mediaeval History - By Sir Paul Vinogradoff Hoyland Extenta facta die sabbati proxima post festum Apostolorum Philippi et lacobi anno regni regis Edwardi octavo apud Sanctum Botulphum coram ThomadeNormanville***********Adam de Wynton*************************etc de maneriis de Wykes et Frampton ville et ferie Sancti Botulphi per sacramentum lohannis de Holand militis etc.

I wonder if this Adam de Wynton is the same Adam de Seton? I think, I may be getting closer to seeing where the Winton line starts. I wish I could read latin.
http://books.google.com/books?id=AOUsAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA488&dq=T...

Private User
8/10/2013 at 11:18 AM

And this one sounds really old? And from Ireland? Speaking of Thoma de Wynton, from 1172-1320

Historic and Municipal Documents of Ireland, A.D. 1172-1320: From ... - Page 484
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Plegiis predicto

Private User
8/10/2013 at 11:20 AM

Don't know if the water's boiling yet but it's on the stove. Great find.

Work on the phrase, it's do able, and a real Latin reader will come along to double check you.

Private User
8/10/2013 at 1:02 PM

Thats a good one Erica :) I'm not sure but it looks the name philippi which could be adam setons grand father and adam in the same paragraph, and history states that phillip granted winton to his second son, and I'm thinking this means the second generation of sons. I think Adam is where the Winton line starts in Scotland.

Private User
8/10/2013 at 4:14 PM

I wonder where this fella Walter de Wynton fits in the mix?

http://sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/patentrolls/e1v3/body/Edward1vol3page0370...

Presentation of Walter de Wynton to the church of Tynyngham, in the
diocese of St. Andrew's, in the king's gift by reason of the voidanco of
the Fee. By p.s.

8/10/2013 at 6:30 PM

Ian have you checked to see if Fordham University has this translated already?

Private User
8/10/2013 at 7:19 PM

Pamela, No I have not! But know I have found this and cant find which, Alex-ander Seatoun de Wintoun this is talking about....
I this states this charter was between (1214-1249) and the Setons are already using Wintoun on there title. Have to do some investigating! If anyone knows which Alexander Seatoun of Wintoun this is talking about, I am open for suggestions. :)

SOURCE
http://www.archive.org/stream/marchmonthumesof00warriala/marchmonth...

Little is known of these early Polwarths. The first mention of the
name in a charter occurs in the time of Alexander II.
(1214-1249), at the end of whose reign Adam de Polwarth,
Knight, had the lands of Beith given him from********** Sir Alex-ander Seatoun of Wintoun, *************in frank marriage with Eva his sister. 1 He left two sons : Patrick, his successor in the
barony ; and Adam, who, by a deed still existing among the

1 " Chartul. of Dunfermling in Biblioth. Juricl. Eclin." See Crawfurd's
Peerage.

Private User
8/10/2013 at 7:21 PM

******Note****Here is where this is at in this book....
14 MARGHMONT AND THE HUMES OF POLWARTH.

Private User
8/10/2013 at 11:02 PM

************* Notes for Stephen Winton:************
•****************Scotch decent Source Tombstones and "Goodspeed " book***********************

http://www.tngenweb.org/records/warren/history/goodspeed/bios.html

P. H. Winton, farmer, was born in Coffee County, Tenn., August 13, 1841, the sixth son of Stephen and Susan (Sayne) Winton, who were both natives of Tennessee. The father was of Scotch descent, born in 1791, was a life-long farmer, and a member of the Christian Church. He died March 1, 1878. The mother was born in 1801 or 1802, and was a member of the Methodist Episcopal Church South. Her death occurred January 11, 1864. P. H. was reared on the farm and received but a limited education. In 1858 he was engaged by G. Braly as salesman at a small salary and remained with him eighteen months, when he began as salesman for Dr. Davis and after one year with this employer he engaged in various occupations until April 27, 1861, when he enlisted in P. Turney's regiment, First Tennessee. In June, 1862, he was discharged on account of ill health, and in 1864 he began farming, which he continued until 1867, when he established a mercantile store in Viola, and one year later returned to the farm. For one year he farmed in connection with his father-in-law and then began farming on his own resources. In 1882 he raised 1,600 bushels of wheat on 100 acres of land, and has made farming a success. September 10, 1873, Mr. Winton wedded Lillian Ramsey, a daughter of S. M. and O. (Smart) Ramsey, and to them have been born three children: McRamsey, born July 8, 1874; Harris S. (deceased), born January 12, 1876, and Emma O., born September 26, 1877. Mrs. Winton died September 17, 1881, a member of the Christian Church. Mr. Winton is a member of the same church, and a Democrat in politics.

Private User
8/10/2013 at 11:03 PM
Private User
8/10/2013 at 11:20 PM

http://surnames.enacademic.com/16634/Winton

The Scottish Wintons derive their name from the lands of Winton in the parish of Pencaitland, East Lothian.

Private User
8/15/2013 at 6:06 PM

http://www.archive.org/stream/marchmonthumesof00warriala/marchmonth...

14 MARGHMONT AND THE HUMES OF POLWARTH. Little is known of these early Polwarths. The first mention of the name in a charter occurs in the time of Alexander II. (1214-1249), at the end of whose reign Adam de Polwarth, Knight, had the lands of Beith given him from Sir Alex- ander Seatoun of Wintoun, in frank marriage with Eva his sister. 1 He left two sons : Patrick, his successor in the barony ; and Adam, who, by a deed still existing among the

1 " Chartul. of Dunfermling in Biblioth. Juricl. Eclin." See Crawfurd's Peerage.

Alexander II Setoun de Wintoun, Knight

Private User
8/26/2013 at 5:53 AM

Source= http://books.google.com/books?id=N9oEAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA367&lpg=...

he says that Dougall Seton married Jennet Quintsey daughter to Rodger Quintsey Earle of Wintone Constable of Scotland By which marriage it appears the said Dougall Seton gott the lands of Winton Now though there is some error in regard to the date and the marriage for Dougall is said to have lived a full century before Roger de Quinci who died in 1264 it shows the family belief that Winton came through some De Quinci connexion which the Setons perpetuated in their title They also adopted the De Quinci crest the wyvcrn or dragon seen on the beautiful seal of the Constable in 1250 Laing's Cat No 082 and two dragons still form the supporters of the Earl of Eglinton and Winton the male representative of this distinguished house which as their old chronicler remarks hes bein verray ancyent and honorable. Lord Henry Scott in his recent able address to the Historical Section of the Archaeological Institute at Southampton traced the title of Winton borne by the bishops of the see from the Caer Gwent of the Britons through the Venta of the Romans If my conjecture is borne out by evidence then we have an antiquity for the lineage of the Scottish Winton equalled by few titles in the Peerage That the Setons like other well known families had an English connexion appears from Dugdale Baronage ii p 736 who says

Private User
8/26/2013 at 6:15 AM

Robert de Quincy

Robert de Quincy is your 29th great grandfather.

Jonet de Quincy

Jonet de Quincy is your 29th great aunt.

Private User
8/26/2013 at 8:36 PM

However, he may well have had legitimate male-issue from his second marriage, to which the Winton family who at one time resided in Ireland during the late 1700's and early 1800's claim descent from, and also had a son John Seton from Elizabeth Stevenson.

http://www2.thesetonfamily.com:8080/history/Profiles/George_Seton_5...

Private User
8/26/2013 at 8:52 PM

********* Notes for Stephen Winton: Scotch decent Source Tombstones and "Goodspeed " book************

http://www.tngenweb.org/records/warren/history/goodspeed/bios.html

Stephen Winton

James Winton, Sr.

Source= http://www.skymont.org/openrosters/docdownload.aspx?ID=2148

beneath the Cumberland Plateau. The little community down on the floor

of the valley is Winton Town, Tennessee.

John Winton, Lieutenant

Please take note of the Londonderry, Ulster Northern Ireland records that are accompanied with this profile. 1740 Tax Records-Ireland, County Londonderry, Parrish- Aghadowey, John Winton, James Winton, and there is an entry for Robert "Vinson", which may be a mis-transcription. It is possible that he is Robert Winton as the name "Vinson" does not appear to exist.

John & Mary McClellan Winton

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