Edward Griswold of Killingworth - Maiden Name of his wives.

Private User, Erica Howton, who ought to take over this profile which Marv is the curator on record for?

Somehow I thought one of the two of you worked on this family too.

Yes, I know the family - probably other curators are related too.

I am intrigued by the idea of maiden names for the wives having been reversed, but not at all sure Sarah really was a Diamond (Or Dimon).

Her daughter married Rebecca married John Dymond.

At this site: http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/newengland/savage/bk2/griswold-gu...

It states
"EDWARD, Windsor, b. at Kenilworth, in Warwicksh. 1607, as tradit. says, came, it is always said, with Rev. Ephraim Huit, tho. it is certain. wrong, for his s. George testif. that he was b. 1638, and in his youthful yrs. "with his f. and uncle Matthew at Kenilworth, Eng. Bef. com. to W. he had Francis, George, John, and Sarah, prob. all b. in Eng. and he had at Windsor, Ann, bapt. 19 June 1642, in wh. yr. John d. there; Mary, b. 5, bapt. 13 Oct. 1644; Deborah, bapt. 28 June 1646; Joseph, b. 12 Mar. 1648; Samuel, bapt. 18 Nov. 1649; John, again, 1 Aug. 1652; and prob. Edward; all by w. Margaret, wh. d. 23 Aug. 1670; rem. a. 1664 to Killingworth, so named acc. the com. pronunciat. of his native place. He m. 1673, Sarah, wid. of James Bemis of New London; was rep. 1658-61 for W. and often for K. His s. Francis, and br. Matthew, as well as hims. were reps. in one Court. His s. Samuel d. 1673, and he d. 1691. Sarah m. 10 Nov. 1650, Samuel Phelps; and next, 21 July 1670, Nathaniel Pinney; Mary m. 19 May 1661, Timothy Phelps; and Deborah m. 13 Nov. 1662, Samuel Buell."

Regarding his wives:
All of his children were from Margaret "all by w. Margaret, wh. d. 23 Aug. 1670... He m. 1673, Sarah, wid. of James Bemis of New London"

A Genealogical Dictionary of The First Settlers of New England,
Before 1692, Volume #2, Griswold - Gunnison, By James Savage

http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/newengland/savage/bk1/155-166.htm

Under Ephraim...
JAMES, New London 1647, had gr. of ld. 1649 was constable 1664, and d. next yr. leav. wid. Sarah, and d. Rebecca. The wid. m. 1673, Edward Griswold of Killingworth. Rebecca m. 1 Apr. 1672, Tobias Minter of Newfoundland; and 17 June 1674 m. John Dymond of Fairfield; and 2 Aug. 1682 m. Benedict Satterlee of K.

Source: A Genealogical Dictionary of The First Settlers of New England, Before 1692, Volume #1, Pgs 155 - 166, Belcher - Benjamin, By James Savage

Then if you look at Dimon Genealogy, it states:

John' Dimond, m. June 17, 1674, Rebecca Bemis.

Children.
I. John.
2. Sarah, b. 1676.
3. Jonathan.

Was apprenticed to Major Nathan Gold until of age, and thus became one of the family. (Hist. of F.) Oct. 19, 1658. "The Court hath put John Dimond, with his consent, unto Lieutenant Gold till he is twenty-one years of age, who is faithfully to serve him, and he must have sufficient meat, drink and clothing, and twelve pounds at the end of his term, and he is not to be to his heirs or assigns. "William HiLh, Secrefary."
(F. T. Rec.)

He moved to New London, where he settled, and married Rebecca, widow of Thomas Minter, and daughter of James Bemis, of that place. (Sav. Gen. Diet.)

Possibly the same person as mentioned in the New England Gen. Reg., vol. 6, as follows :
"Jonathan Dimont, 1672, one of the early settlers of Essex and Old Norfolk." Constable of New London in 1679. (Calkins' Hist, of New London.)

Daughter of James and Sarah Bemis of New London. She was married first to Tobias Minter of New Foundland, and after his death, to John Dimond of Fairfield, and at his decease she married Benedict Satterlee of Killingworth.

Rebecca (Bemis) Dimon, m. Apr. i, 1672, Tobias Min- ter ; m. 2d, June 17, 1674, to John Dimond; m. 3d, Aug. 2, 1682, to Benedict Satterlee. After the death of James Bemis, his wife Sarah married Edward Griswold of Killingworth. (Sav. Gen. Diet.)

I haven't found any where that states, Sarah's parents were part of the Diamond family. I have seen it stated on the internet, but without sources.

We might want to get into the Great Migration database; I'm pretty sure they updated Savage & the Dimond families are tough genealogically.

What's in the MPs are what Marvin & I came up with a couple of years ago. It's great to see fresh eyes on the question - there's an association there.

I vacuumed up Dimond lines on Geni a while back and included links to their published family studies I think - which would be post Savage but before Torrey, DL Jacobus, & Anderson's GM.

Another thought is to look at what DNA projects might be indicating (may not help on wives though - yet ....)

Sorry, just catching up now after the long weekend. I defer to Erica on this one. I work in that geographic area but not much on that specific family. Thanks for tagging me, Hatte.

Thanks Erica and Ashley! I thought it was Erica who I had seen work Griswolds. But knew you worked CT like me. None of the names were familiar to me and usually if it's an area I work, I know the names from the vital records or due to marriages with my family.

If someone can get into Barbour records to check on this citation ...

"James Bemas, Constable of New London died in 1665 and his wife, a sister of Joseph Coit, married secondly in 1673 Edward Griswold of Killingsworth. Two daughters of the Widow Bemas were baptized in 1671, viz., Rebecca and Mary."

Caulkin’s History of New London, Conn., p. 283

We're looking at this tree

James Bemis

And also wondering if "sister of Joseph Coit" could have meant "sister in law"

After looking at all of the information from the different sites and sources. The only family claiming that Sarah's last name was Diamond was the Griswold family. Here is the information which is posted on Edward Griswold's page.

"Margaret - d. Aug. 23, 1670, CT. Traditionally she is named as Margaret DIAMOND, daughter of John DIAMOND. Genevieve Tylee Kiepura writes in "Griswold Ancestry in England" (The American Genealogist 39:176-180) that "Edward GRISWOLD m. Margaret BLENCOW of Marston St. Lawrence, co. Northampton, dau of John BLENCOW and his wife Mary WALLISON." However, in "Note on the Ancestry of the Griswolds of Connecticut" (The American Genealogist 40:43-44), John G. Hunt conclusively shows that the Edward GRISWOLD who married Margaret BLENCOW is not the immigrant to CT, and Genevieve Tylee Kiepura concurs."

I have several other bits of correspondence but my (present)conclusion is:
The "Hicks" family say she wasn't a "Hicks" and the pedigree floating around for "Margaret Hicks" is untrue.

Blencow is positively out because of the above studies by the Griswold Family.

"Diamond/Dimond" is not accepted anymore although one correspondent claims she is Edward's second wife."

I believe that someone who didn't know about Sarah's family knew that her believed that her last name was Diamond. She did have a granddaughter named Sarah Diamond, which was her daughter, Rebeeca's daughter. Sarah was adopted by Benedict Satterlee, after Rebecca's death and was called Sarah Diamond Satterlee.

If you notice the parents are called Daughter of John Diamond and Rebecca Bemis, so was this the case of incorrect merging or information? Because Sarah (Diamond/Dymond Satterlee) Wickman can get confused with her grandmother if there aren't dates attached to her and it just shows Sarah Diamond/Dymond Satterlee or etc.

I hope this makes sense out of confusion.

Edward and Margaret are my direct line so I'll take a look at this as well...

I can check Barbour for you later, Erica. Remind me if I don't get around to it within the next day. Slightly swamped in "real-life" at the moment.

Cross ref discussion http://www.geni.com/discussions/127828?msg=894226