William Hills, Sr. - Parents

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Private User
11/5/2013 at 6:25 AM

Creating a thread for discussion regarding the parents of William Hills, Sr.. If you have any sources, please discuss them. I also noticed this , which perhaps is a point of possible confusion that may need to be cleared up and documented on the profile by a curator.

One online tree that lists Thomas Hills and Jane Scarborough sources it to: Barbour, Lucius Barnes, Families of Early Hartford, Connecticut, (c. 1977; 2nd printing 1982), Pgs. 301-3; 355.

11/6/2013 at 8:45 PM

this reference lists Thomas Hill
John Hill of Dorchester, Mass., 1633, and five generations of his ... edited by J. Gardner Bartlett
https://archive.org/details/johnhillofdorche00bart
https://archive.org/stream/johnhillofdorche00bart#page/n106/mode/1up
WILLIAM3 HILL (Roger,2 William1), born about 1515, established himself at Poundsford in Pitminster, where he died in 1594, having been granted in 1570 the coat of arms mentioned above. Three children of his large family were born before 1548 . . . . He married first about 1540, Anne, daughter of John Trowbridge of Colyton, Devonshire; she died about 1560; he married second, about 1563, Lucy, daughter of John Ryves of Dorset.
Children by first wife:
** i. Roger,4 b. about 1542, eldest son.
** ii. ALEXANDER, second son, lived in Taunton; m. Alice, dau. of John Hansard of Lyme Regis, and had issue.
** iii. ELIZABETH, m. first, a Hobbs; m. second, a Murifey; m. third, a Martin; d. s. p.
** iv. WILLIAM, d. s. p.
** v. ROBERT, d. s. p.
** vi. HENRY, d. s. p.
** vii. AMBROSE, d. s. p.
** viii. GABRIEL, living 1592; d. s. p.
** ix. SUSAN, d. s. p.
** x. ELEANOR, m. after 1592, a Gravitt.
* Children by second wife:
** xi. BENJAMIN, b about 1564; m. and had at least a dau. Anne, living unmarried in 1657, mentioned in the will of her cousin Roger5 Hill of Taunton.
** xii. LUCY, m. before 1592, William Lawrence of Dorsetshire.
** xiii. THOMAS, b. about 1568; lived in Chard, where he d. in 1629 probably unmarried. His will, dated Nov. 20, 1628, gives to cousins (i. e. nephews) John Hill and Jonathan Hill, yeomen of Chaffcombe, sons of brother John, 10L each, and 5L more to each on marriage; cousin (i. e. niece) Anne Hill, dau. of brother Benjamin, 5L; to the poor of Pitminster 10s.; residue to friend Thomas Legg of Chard who was executor. [Wells Reg.] [This Thomas Legg of Chard was also intimate with John and Walter Deane of Chard who came to New England, being a witness and overseer of the will of their father William Deane in 1634.]
** xiv. John, youngest child, but of age in 1592; b. probably about 1570.

This reference is about William husband of Ann Trowbridge & Lucy Ryves
Abstracts of Somersetshire wills, etc: copied from the manuscript ..., Volume 1 By Frederick Arthur Crisp, Frederick Brown
http://books.google.com/books?id=PElFAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA55&lpg=P...
Pg.35
A. 33. B. 50. WILLIAM HILL, of Poundsford, Somerset, Esq'r. Will dated June 6, 1592, proved Apr. 20, 1594, by Roger Hill. [31 Dixy.] My daughter Ellinor Hill, 200 marks. My daughter Luce Lawrence, L100. My son Gabriel Hill, 100 marks. My son John Hill, L100. Tho's Hill, L20. Benjamin Hill, L40. My son Alexander2. Residue to my son Roger Hill, Exor. M'r John Colles, & my son Alexander, Overseers.

In reference to Thomas Hill who married Jane Scarborrow
The Hills family in America; the ancestry and descendants of William Hills, the English emigrant to New England in 1632; of Joseph Hills, the English emigrant to New England in 1638, and of the great-grandsons of Robert Hills, of the parish of Wye, county of Kent, England, emigrants to New England 1794-1806 (1906) Vol.3
https://archive.org/details/hillsfamilyiname03hill
https://archive.org/stream/hillsfamilyiname03hill#page/658/mode/1up
" Dear Mr. Hills : At last I have important information to give you in regard to William Hills of Hartford and probably in regard to George father of Joseph Hills. Last Saturday I dug out of the old register of Upminster, Essex, the following entries :
" Marriages : — 1596, Oct. 16, Tho. Hills and Jane Scarborrow.
" Baptisms : — 1598, Sept. 17, Jane Hills.
1600, Oct. 12, Robarge Hills.
https://archive.org/stream/hillsfamilyiname03hill#page/659/mode/1up
Pg.659
1601-2, April G, Elizabeth Hills.
1603, April 8, Blanche Hylls.
1603-4, March 4, Marye Hills.
1606, June 1, Thomas Hills ye sonne of Thomas Hills and Jane his wife.
[The register is signed by Thomas Hills, churchwarden.]
1608, Dec. 27, William Hilles the sone of Thomas Hilles and Jane his wife.
1610-11, March 1, Anthony s. of Thomas Hill [s].
"As there is good reason to believe that William Hills, of Hartford, was born about the year 1609, as his first wife Phillis Lyman, was born in : 1611, at High Ongar, as the nearest point of High Ongar to the nearest of Upminster, is only four miles, and as this is the first William Hills of I the right date I have found from one end of Essex to the other, and as he had a brother Thomas as always supposed, there seems no valid reason for doubting that the above is the long sought William Hills of Hartford. . . . William Hills has appeared incidentally in the reports I sent you ; viz.. Arch deaconry of Essex No. E. 62, Will of Richard Hills of Hornchurch, 1623, where he gives the entail conditionally to William Hills son of Thomas Hills, of Upminster. Again Rabergia Hills, sister of William and Thomas, died intestate and unmarried in 1634, and administration was granted to a sister, Elizabeth Helder. If the brothers had gone off to New England in 1632, this is made quite natural. There are many other points of corroboration in the register which I will refer to later on. . . ."

11/6/2013 at 9:05 PM

I question whether Thomas Hill who married Jane Scarborrow is the son of William Hill & Lucy Ryves.
From John Hill of Dorchester, Mass., 1633, and five generations of his ... edited by J. Gardner Bartlett
It list for the son Thomas, "he d. in 1629 probably unmarried. His will, dated Nov. 20, 1628,".
No mention of wife or children, surely if he had them he would of left something to them.

I have seen a couple other references with William Hill husband of Ann Trowbridge & Lucy Ryves which list a son Thomas Hill but nothing more is listed for Thomas.

11/30/2013 at 3:33 AM

Carole, thanks for your meticulous reply. I agree but for a different reason. All the other children of Wm and Lucy stayed in the Somerset region, especially Poundisford area. Thomas (of Thomas and Jane) was born in Upminster, Essex - about 200 miles away by modern roads. Several other things have said that the Upminster/Essex area had lots of Hills. Sounds like more work is needed on Hills from Essex.

Private User
11/30/2013 at 5:30 AM

Tagging profiles so they show up in their discussion tabs as well.
William Hill, of Poundisford, Lucy Hill, Anne Hill

11/30/2013 at 3:48 PM

I just sent this to the managers of the Lyme Regis Wm Hills:
Managers of William Hills,

I am contacting you about this profile:

I believe that data in the profile above has confused the wife and some of the children with those of William Hills Sr. (a MP, he's one of the founders of Hartford CT. Planters of the Commonwealth P88-89, shows a William and Sara from Lime Regis arriving in the Mary Jane in 1630, accompanied by their children Wm Jr, Ignatius and James. They landed at Dorchester.

From the Hills Family in America:
n reference to Thomas Hill who married Jane Scarborrow
The Hills family in America; the ancestry and descendants of William Hills, the English emigrant to New England in 1632; of Joseph Hills, the English emigrant to New England in 1638, and of the great-grandsons of Robert Hills, of the parish of Wye, county of Kent, England, emigrants to New England 1794-1806 (1906) Vol.3
https://archive.org/details/hillsfamilyiname03hill
https://archive.org/stream/hillsfamilyiname03hill#page/658/mode/1up
" Dear Mr. Hills : At last I have important information to give you in regard to William Hills of Hartford and probably in regard to George father of Joseph Hills. Last Saturday I dug out of the old register of Upminster, Essex, the following entries :
" Marriages : — 1596, Oct. 16, Tho. Hills and Jane Scarborrow.
" Baptisms : — 1598, Sept. 17, Jane Hills.
1600, Oct. 12, Robarge Hills.
https://archive.org/stream/hillsfamilyiname03hill#page/659/mode/1up
Pg.659
1601-2, April G, Elizabeth Hills.
1603, April 8, Blanche Hylls.
1603-4, March 4, Marye Hills.
1606, June 1, Thomas Hills ye sonne of Thomas Hills and Jane his wife.
[The register is signed by Thomas Hills, churchwarden.]
1608, Dec. 27, William Hilles the sone of Thomas Hilles and Jane his wife.
1610-11, March 1, Anthony s. of Thomas Hill [s].
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If I knew how I bet I could have that message shoe up here too but cut n Paste is all I know how to do so far.
Thanks all,
Sue

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