Ada de Huntingdon - Curators :Ada was also married to Ralph Brereton please add

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6/24/2014 at 12:54 AM

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6/25/2014 at 12:09 PM

To help keep record of what is found this is information from the link given my Pamela on the Ada of Huntingdon, Heiress of Yardley

There are old tombs of the Brereton family in the churchyard. The one with a canopy shows the effigy of a knight with his lady. It is rare to see a monument of such age outside and these are badly weathered. Raymond Richards notes that it is the tomb of Sir Ralph Brereton but the brochure in the church mentions that is could be the tomb of a Brereton or a Ventables. My photograph below, taken with flash and enhanced digitally allows one to pick out most of the following incripiton, but the beginning of the last work was provided from Ormerod's History of Cheshire, Volume 3 page 33. Note that the letter N is written back-to-front throughout. It translates as "Here lie Radulphus Brereton, knight, and lady Ada his wife one of the daughters of David Earl of Huntingdon. Ormerod gives a family tree of the Breretons of Brereton in which he states "Sir Ralph de Brereton, knight, said in some pedigrees to marry Ada, daughter of David Earl of Huntingdon, relict of Henry Hastings, and living in 1275".

I have also posted this information on Ada's 'About' section.

And this link would supply more information to Pamela's Ada of Huntingdon, Heiress of Yardley

https://histfam.familysearch.org//getperson.php?personID=I93191&amp...
Which lists both husbands, Henry de Hastings, Lord Hastings and Sir Ralph de Brereton, Knight, also some of the children

Sir Ralph de Brereton

6/25/2014 at 12:31 PM

This should be "To help keep record of what is found this is information from the link given by Pamela on the .... "

And the actual discussions do not present themselves from the link I provided they just take you to Ada's profile overview.

The first is the discussion about the tomb is titled "Ada de Huntingdon - Curators :Ada was also married to Ralph Brereton please add"

and the second about familysearch.org is titled "Ada de Huntingdon - Ada's children"

Private User
6/26/2014 at 10:09 AM

Carole I'm confused by this note on the profile of

Sir Ralph de Brereton

"Sir Ralph Brereton was born at of Brereton, Cheshire, England. He died after 1275; He did not marry Ada of Huntingdon, wife of Sir Henry de Hastings.2"

* 2.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 321-323.

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And his wife is showing in Geni as Ada de Hastings

But https://histfam.familysearch.org//getperson.php?personID=I93400&amp...

Has

1) Ada de Huntington and
2) (Research):MARRIAGE: Investigate> Lloyd's 'History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog' volume 3 page 92 states he married secondly, Margred ferch Sir Rhydderch "Groes", Knight.

Private User
6/26/2014 at 10:18 AM

OK do we have date discrepancies ?

Here's what Jim Weber currently has for Ada de Huntington. 3rd daughter of David, 9th Earl of Huntington

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jwebe...

Death: BEF SEP 1242 in Yardley Hastings, Hardingstone, Northamptonshire, England

Ada, sister and coheir of John the Scot, 10th Earl of Huntingdon, 3rd daughter of David of Scotland, 9th Earl of Huntingdon. [Complete Peerage VI:345]

Private User
6/26/2014 at 11:27 AM

Did Ada de Hastings marry her step father?

Yuck.

6/26/2014 at 1:01 PM

Private User

Sir Ralph de Brereton was born c1224

one wife Ada de Hastings was born c1227

they have a child Sebeilla Booth born c 1236

Mix up possible??

6/26/2014 at 1:07 PM

Ada of Huntingdon, Heiress of Yardley was born c 1199

One husband Sir Henry de Hastings, of Ashill was born c 1193

Second husband Sir Ralph de Brereton was born c 1224

Second husband was 31 years her senior?? possible

6/26/2014 at 1:18 PM

If you read the About of Sir Ralph de Brereton

It states "Sir Ralph Brereton was born at of Brereton, Cheshire, England. He died after 1275; He did not marry Ada of Huntingdon, wife of Sir Henry de Hastings.2"

This why I maintain who ever edits the 'About' of a a profile there names shows on it, just like Revisions..

6/26/2014 at 6:33 PM

If the information or translation from the tomb has not been fabricated then it would seem that there was a Ada dau. of David Earl of Huntingdon who married a Radulphus Brereton, knight

http://www.thornber.net/cheshire/htmlfiles/astbury.html

Just posting on to one discussion what was basicly in the two discussions to try to make it easier to understand.

I will look for some of the other references listed from the FamilySearch link, and post them in this discussion. Then if wanted they could be moved over to the pertaining profiles.

No mention of Ada Huntingdon & Ralph Brereton in
*'''A genealogical history of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited, and extinct peerages of the British empire (1978)
*https://archive.org/details/agenealogicalhi00burkgoog
*https://archive.org/stream/agenealogicalhi00burkgoog#page/n41/mode/1up
*Pg.21
** BAILIOL--BARONS BALIOL.
* III. DAVID, Earl of Huntingdon, in England, m. Maud, dau. of Hugh, and sister and co-heireaa of Ranulph, Earl of Chester, by whom he left iasue at his deoeaae in 1219,
** Henry, d. s. p.
** David, d. s. p.
** John, surnamed Le Scot, s. to the earldom of Huntingdon, and became Earl of Chester, d. s. p.
** MARGARET, m. to ALAN. Lord of Galloway, and had two daus. and oo-heirs, CHRISTIAN, m. William, Earl of Albemarle, and d. s..p.; and DEVORGUILL, or DEVORGILDA, who m. JOHN DE BALIOL, and waa mother of JOHN BAILIOL, King of Scotland, ut supra,
** Isabella, m. to Robert Bruce, and had a son, ROBERT BRUCE, the celebrated claimant for the Scottish crown.
** Ada, m. Henry de Hastings, Lord Hastings, and left a aon and heir,
*** HENRY, Lord Hastings, father of JOHN, Lord Hastings, a claimant for the Scottish throne.
* By this table, the claim of Baliol seems indisputable, his mother, who was then alive, having abdicated her right in his favour, but Bruce contended that he was himself one step of kindred nearer to David, Earl of Huntingdon, than Baliol, being that nobleman's grandson; and he met the question of seniority, by alleging, that he had to contest that point in reality with Baliol's mother, and that being a male, he ought to be preferred to a female, according to the law and usage of nations, of which he adduced divers precedents. Edward decided, however, in favour of Baliol, and the new king swore fealty to the English monarch, on 30 November, 1292, as his superior lord. In the oath he .... etc.
*https://archive.org/stream/agenealogicalhi00burkgoog#page/n94/mode/1up
*Pg.74
** BRERETON--BARON BRERETON.
* RALPH DE BRERETON (son of William de Brereton, and grandson of William de Brereton,) was father (besides a 2nd son, Gilbert, and a dau., Isolda, wife of Gilbert de Stoke,) of an elder son and heir.
* SIR WILLIAM BRERETON, of Brereton, Knt, living temp. JOHN and HENRY III., who m. Margery, dau. of Randle de Thornton, and had a son, RALPH, and a dau., wife of Thurstan de Smethwick. The former
* SIR RALPH BRERETON, of Brereton, Knt, had two sons, WILLIAM (SIR), and Gilbert, father of Henry and Sibella, wife of William de Bouths. The elder son,
* SIR WILLIAM BRERETON, of Brereton, Knt., m. the dau. of his guardian. Sir Richard de Sandbach, Knt., and was father of
* SIR WILLIAM BRERETON, of Brereton, Knt., who m. Roesia, dau. of Ralph de Vernon, and had issue, .... etc.
*https://archive.org/stream/agenealogicalhi00burkgoog#page/n284/mode...
*Pg.266
** HASTINGS--BARONS HASTINGS, EARLS OF PEMBROKE.
*The 2nd son,
* WILLIAM DE HASTINGS, m. 1st, Margery, dau. of Roger Bigot, Earl of Norfolk, and had, (with a dau. Ida, m, to Stephen de Segrave) a son,
* HENRY DE HASTINGS, who, upon paying a fine of 50 marks, and doing his homage, had livery of his lands in the cos. Warwick, Leicester, Salop, Bedford, Norfolk, and Suffolk. This Henry m. Ada, 4th dau. of David, Earl of Huntingdon, and of Maud, his wife, dau. of Hugh, and one of the sisters and co-heirs of Ranulph, Earl of Chester; and through her he eventnally shared in the great estates of the Earls of Chester. By this lady he had issue, HENRY, his successor, and two daus. Margery and Hillaria, who, at the time of his deceace, were in the nunnery of Alneston, and their tuition was then committed to William de Cantelupe. This Henry de Hastings attending King HENRY into France, in the 26th of that monarch's reign, was taken prisoner at the great defeat which the English army then sustained at Zante, but was soon afterwards released. In a few years subsequently he accompanied Richard, Earl of Cornwall, with divers other of the principal nobility, into France, whither the said earl proceeded at that period with a splendid retinae, but for what purpose does not appear. About the close of the same year (1250) Henry de Hastings d. and was by his son,
* HENRY DE HASTINGS, then in minority, whose wardship was granted to Guy de Lusignan, King Henry Ill.'s half brother. This Henry, in the 44th Henry III., had a military summons to be at Shrewsbury, with horse and arms, to march against the Welsh ; and the next year had a similar summons to be at London. But very soon afterwards we find him In arms with Simon de Montfort. Earl of Leicester, and other turbulent spirits against the king, and with those excommunicated by the archbishop of Canterbury. After which he became one of the most zealous of the baronial leaders, and distinguished himself at the battle of Lewes, wherein the king was made prisoner, received the honour of knighthood at the hands of Montfort; and was constituted governor of Scarborongh and Winchester castles. This stout baron was s. at his decease in 1249, by his son,
* HENRY DE HASTINGS, who m. Eve, sister, and at length co-heir, of George de Cantilupe, Baron of Bergavenny, and had issue, .... etc.
*______________________________

6/26/2014 at 7:47 PM

I dislike going off on a tangent but can anyone see a connection here http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000008630915526#600000000...

Do you think Ada (the elder) of Huntington
was married toMalise de Strathearn

Maybe we could ask Private User why she added Ada (the elder) of Huntington without an identifiable mother.

Private User
6/26/2014 at 10:06 PM

All right - I'm going to start with the children.

My thoughts so far are that Ada the heiress only had issue by her 1st husband Hastings & is not the mother of the Brereton boys.

Therefore Sir Ralph had an unnamed 1st wife & a possible 3rd wife named Margery.

He did not marry his step daughter, that is a mismerge.

So we need to understand who the husband of Margery Hastings was.

Private User
6/26/2014 at 10:09 PM

I did notice one source has Ada as 3rd daughter & another has her as 4th daughter. Not sure that's significant.

6/26/2014 at 11:19 PM

*'''The history of the county palatine and city of Chester: compiled from original evidences in public offices, the Harleian and Cottonian mss., parochial registers, private muniments, unpublished ms. collections of successive Cheshire antiquaries, and a personal survey of every township in the county; incorporated with a republication of King's Vale royal, and Leycester's Cheshire antiquities. By George Ormerod (1819) Vol. 3
*https://archive.org/details/historyofcountyp03orme
*https://archive.org/stream/historyofcountyp03orme#page/19/mode/1up
*Pg.19
* Near the north-east angle of the church-yard are four recumbent figures carved in red stone. The figure to the north is that of an ecclesiastic resting on a slab, which forms the lid of a stone coffin, wholly above ground : that on the south is the figure of an armed knight placed on an altar-tomb, the feet resting on an animal, the helmet conical, and the shield emblazoned two barrs, in chief three leopards' heads, of which the centre and sinister head alone are remaining. The two middle figures, an armed knight and his lady, rest on a tomb higher than the last, over which is a raised pointed arch, with a pediment and pinnacles ornamented with crockets. The following inscription has been cut in capitals within the arch at the west end :
** Hie jacent Radulphus Br-
** ereton miles et domina
** Ada uxor sua, una fi-
** liarum Davidis comi-
** tis Huntingdonis.
* This inscription is mentioned in Church Notes taken 1576, but is noticed as being in characters more modern than the rest of the monument, which in Camden's time was claimed by the families of Venables, Mainwaring, and Brereton. It is, however, presumed that the question is settled by the seal mentioned in the account of the family of Venables of Astbury, which accords precisely with the arms on the shield of one of the figures already described (P).
*https://archive.org/stream/historyofcountyp03orme#page/47/mode/1up
*Pg.47
* Ralph de Brereton joins with Orme de Davenport in witnessing a deed of Gilbert de Venables in the time of Will. II. or Hen. I. ; and another Ralph de Brereton witnesses the grant of Marton to Richard Davenport about 1176. These are omitted in the family pedigree, which begins with a William Brereton, a second William, and a Ralph, of whom no other notice has occurred. The first William was probably brother of the second Ralph.
* V. William de Brereton, son and heir of Ralph, by deed without date receives from Randle "de Torhaunt," in frank marriage with Margery his daughter, all the rents which Thomas de Wariul held from Peter, father of the said Randle, in Middlewich hundred(b).
* VI. Ralph de Brereton (son and heir of William) in the reign of Hen. III. grants to the chapel of Brereton the land of Smethwick, to be held therefrom by his nephew Orme de Smethwick.
* VII. Sir William Brereton, kt. son and heir of Ralph, married a daughter of sir Richard de Sandbach, who had grant of the wardship of the said William from William de Venables baron of Kinderton, to marry him, or his younger brother Gilbert Brereton (if William died under age), to one of the legitimate daughters of the said Richard(c).
* VIII. Sir William Brereton, knight, and Hamo (rector of Brereton, 1344), were issue of this marriage. Sir William Brereton married Roesia, daughter of Ralph Vernon of Shipbrook, who was living 15 Edw. II. in which year she joins with her husband in constituting their son, Richard Brereton, their attorney, to receive seizin of lands in Brereton.
*https://archive.org/stream/historyofcountyp03orme#page/51/mode/1up
*Pg.51
**BRERETON AND HOLT OF BRERETON. - Chart Pg.51-52
*RALPH DE BRERETON, witnes to a charter by Gilbert Venables, temp. Will. II or Hen. I. = ch: Ralph, William Brereton.
*WILLIAM DE BRERETON, with whom the Brereton pedigree commences. = ch: William de Brereton.
*WILLIAM DE BRERETON. = ch: Ralph de Brereton.
*RALPH DE BRERETON. = ch: Sir William (m. Margery Thornton), Gilbert, Isolda (m. Gilbert de Stoke) Brereton.
*SIR WILLIAM BRERETON, of Brereton, kt. living temp. Johan. and Hen. III. = Margery, dau. of Randle de Thornton.: ch: Sir Ralph (m. said in some pedigrees to marry Ada Huntingdon wid. of Henry Hastings), a dau. (m. Thurstan de Smethwith) Brereton.
*SIR RALPH BRERETON, of Brereton, kt. said in some pedigrees to marry Ada, daughter of David earl of Huntingdon, relict of Henry Hastings.= ch: Sir William (m. _ Sonback), Gilbert Brereton.
**SIR WILLIAM BRERETON, of Brereton, of Brereton, ward of sir R. de Sandbach. = . . . . daughter of Richard de Sonbach, kt.; ch: Sir William (m. Roesisa de Vernon), Hamo Brereton.
**GILBERT, younger son, father of Henry, and of Sibilla, wife of William, son of Adam de Bouths, who had lands in Withenshaw.
*__________________________________

6/26/2014 at 11:20 PM

*'''The history of the princes, the lords marcher, and the ancient nobility of Powys Fadog, and the ancient lords of Arwystli, Cedewen, and Meirionydd (1881) Vol. III
*https://archive.org/details/historyofprinces03lloy
*https://archive.org/stream/historyofprinces03lloy#page/92/mode/1up
*Pg.92
** MANOR OF IS Y COED.--BRERETON OF BORASHAM.
** Ormerod's Hist. of Cheshire: Cae Cyriog MS.
*William de Brereton, Lord of Brereton, in the County Palatine of Chester, 1125. Argent, two bars sable. = ch: William de Brereton.
*William de Brereton, Lord of Brereton. = ch: Sir Ralph (m. Cicilie St George) de Brereton.
*Sir Ralph de Brereton, Knt., Lord of Brereton. = Cicilie, d. of Sir George St. George, Knt.; ch: Sir William (m. Margaret de Thornton) de Brereton.
*Sir William de Brereton Knt, Lord of Brereton. = Margaret, d. of Randle de Thornton, son of Peter de Thornton.; ch: Sir Ralph or Randolphus (m. Ada dau. of David, Earl of Huntingdon & Margaret Groes) de Brereton.
*Sir Ralph or Randolphus de Brereton, Knt. He married, secondly, Margaret, daughter and co-heiress of Sir Rhydderch Groes, Knt. = The Lady Ada, fourth daughter and co-heiress of David, Earl of Huntingdon in England, son of Henry,(1) Crown Prince of Scotland, son of David, First King of Scotland, and relict of Henry de Hastings. Her mother was Maud, d. of Hugh Cyfeiliog, Earl of Chester. It was in the suite of the Princess Maude that Sir Randolph de Brereton went to Scotland.; ch: Sir William (m. Cicilie Sandbach) de Brereton.
*Sir William de Brereton, Knt., Lord of Brereton. = Cicilie, d. of Sir Richard de Sandbach, Knt.; ch: Pg.93 .... etc.
** (1) Henry, Crown Prince of Scotland, married Aleline, daughter of William de Warrenne, Earl of Warrenne and Surrey, by whom he had issue three sons; 1, Malcolm, King of Scotland, who died s. p. in 1165; 2, William, surnamed the Lion, King of Scotland, and father of Alexander II, King of Scotland; and 3, David, Earl of Huntingdon, who married Maud, daughter of Hugh Cyfeliog, Count Palatine of Chester, by whom he had four daughters, co-heirs; 1, Margaret, who married Adam, Lord of Galloway, by whom she had two daughters, co-heirs, Devorgila, ux. John de Baliol, and Marjory, us. John the Black Comyn, Lord of Badenoch; 2, Isabel, ux. Robert Bruce; 3, Maud; and 4, Ada.
*________________________________

6/26/2014 at 11:20 PM

*'''The history of the princes, the lords marcher, and the ancient nobility of Powys Fadog, and the ancient lords of Arwystli, Cedewen, and Meirionydd (1881) Vol. V
*https://archive.org/details/historyofprinces05lloy
*https://archive.org/stream/historyofprinces05lloy#page/413/mode/1up
*Pg.413
** DESCENDANTS OF DAVID I, KING OF SCOTLAND.
*David the First, King of Scotland. = Maude, d. of Waldeoff, Earl of Northumberland, and Judith his wife, niece of William the Conqueror.; ch: Henry (m. Adeline de Warren) Prince of Scotland.
*Henry, Prince of Scotland, ob. vita patris. = Adeline de Warren, d. of William, Earl of Warren and Surrey.; ch: Malcolm (King of Scotland), William the Lion (King of Scotland), David (m. Maud Cyfeiliog) Earl of Huntingdon.
*David, Earl of Huntingdon. = Maud, d. of Hugh Cyfeiliog, Count Palatine of Chester.; ch: Margaret (m. Adam, Lord of Galloway), Isabel (m. Robert Bruce), Maude (a Nun), Ada (m. Henry de Hastings & Sir Ralph de Brereton)
*Ada. = Henri de Hastings. = Sir Ralph de Brereton, Kt. see Vol. iii, p. 92.
*_________________________________________
*'''The Wallop family and their ancestry, Vol. 1
*https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE523013
*Pg.136.
** BRERETON
** (SCOTLAND.)
*Sir Ralph Brereton, of Brereton, Cheshire; 1275. = Ada (widow of Henry de Hastings), da. of David, Earl of Huntingdon.; ch: Sir William (m. _ Sandbach), Sibel (m. William de Booths) Brereton.
*Sir William Brereton, of Brereton. = _, da. of Sir Richard de Sandbach.; ch: Sir William (m. Roesia de Vernon) Brereton.; ch: .... etc.
*_________________________________

Private User
6/27/2014 at 12:27 AM

Carole - can you translate that into your understanding of the family?

And what is the reference "he did not marry Ada de Huntington" citing Doug Richardson?

6/27/2014 at 10:39 AM

*David of Scotland (Medieval Gaelic: Dabíd) (c.?1144 – 17 June 1219) was a Scottish prince and Earl of Huntingdon. He was a claimant to the Scottish throne.
*He was the youngest surviving son of Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon and Ada de Warenne, a daughter of William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey, and Elizabeth of Vermandois. His paternal grandfather was David I of Scotland. Huntingdon was granted to him after his elder brother William I of Scotland ascended the throne. David's son John succeeded him to the earldom.
*In the litigation for succession to the crown of Scotland in 1290–1292, the great-great-grandson Floris V, Count of Holland of David's sister, Ada, claimed that David had renounced his hereditary rights to the throne of Scotland. He therefore declared that his claim to the throne had priority over David's descendants. However, no explanation or firm evidence for the supposed renunciation could be provided.
*On 26 August 1190 David married Matilda of Chester (1171 – 6 January 1233), daughter of Hugh de Kevelioc, 3rd Earl of Chester. He was almost thirty years Matilda's senior. The marriage was recorded by Benedict of Peterborough.[1]
*David and Matilda had seven children:
** Margaret of Huntingdon (c. 1194 – c. 1228), married Alan, Lord of Galloway, by whom she had two daughters, including Dervorguilla of Galloway.
** Robert of Huntingdon (died young)
** Ada of Huntingdon, married Sir Henry de Hastings, by whom she had one son, Henry de Hastings, 1st Baron Hastings.
** Matilda (Maud) of Huntingdon (-aft.1219, unmarried)
** Isobel of Huntingdon (1199–1251), married Robert Bruce, 4th Lord of Annandale, by whom she had two sons, including Robert de Brus, 5th Lord of Annandale.
** John of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon (1207 – 6 June 1237), married Elen ferch Llywelyn. He succeeded his uncle Ranulf as Earl of Chester in 1232, but died childless.
** Henry of Huntingdon (died young)[2][3]
*Earl David also had three illegitimate children:[4]
** Henry of Stirling
** Henry of Brechin
** Ada, married Malise, son of Ferchar, Earl of Strathearn
*After the extinction of the senior line of the Scottish royal house in 1290, when the legitimate line of William the Lion of Scotland ended, David's descendants were the prime candidates for the throne. The two most notable claimants to the throne, Robert Bruce, 5th Lord of Annandale (grandfather of King Robert I of Scotland) and John of Scotland were his descendants through David's daughters Isobel and Margaret, respectively. .... etc.
*From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_of_Scotland,_8th_Earl_of_Huntingdon
*____________________________

6/27/2014 at 10:39 AM

*The Early Scottish Kings (1034 - 1371)
*David I "the Saint" (1124-1153)
*born c. 1080
*mar. c. 1113 Matilda of Huntingdon, suo jure Countess of Huntingdon and Northampton (b. c. 1074; widow of Simon de St Liz, jure uxoris Earl of Huntingdon and Northampton; d. before 22 Apr 1131), dau. of Waltheof, Earl of Huntingdon and Northampton, by his wife Judith of Lens, only child of Lambert of Boulogne, Count of Lens, by his wife Adeliza of Normandy, sister of William I, King of England, and dau. of Robert I, Duke of Normandy
*children
** 1. Malcolm (b. after 1113; dvp. young)
** 2. Henry, Earl of Huntingdon from Feb 1136, cr. 1139 Earl of Northumberland (b. c. 1114/5; dvp. 12 Jun 1152), mar. 1139 Lady Ada de Warenne (d. 1178), dau. of William [de Warenne], 2nd Earl of Surrey, by his wife Isabella of Vermandois, dau. of Hugh "the Great", Count of Vermandois, and had issue:
*** 1a. Malcolm, Earl of Huntingdon, later Malcolm IV, King of Scotland
*** 2a. William, Earl of Huntingdon, later William I, King of Scotland
*** 3a. David, Earl of Huntingdon, Northampton, etc., cr. c. 1180 Earl of Garioch and 1205 Earl of Cambridge and Earl of Lennox (b. c. 1150; d. 17 Jun 1219), mar. 26 Aug 1190 Lady Matilda de Meschines (b. 1171; d. 6 Jan 1233), dau. and heiress in her issue of Hugh "Kevelioc" [de Meschines], 3rd Earl of Chester, by his wife Bertrada de Montfort, dau. of Simon de Montfort, Count of Evreux, and had issue:
**** 1b. Robert (d. young)
**** 2b. John "the Scot", Earl of Huntingdon and Garioch, cr. 21 Nov 1232 Earl of Chester (b. c. 1207; d. before 6 Jun 1237), mar. c. 1221 Helen of Wales (mar. (2) 1237 Robert de Quincy; d. 1253), dau. of Llewelyn the Great, Prince of Wales, by his wife Joan, illegitimate dau. of John, King of England
**** 3b. Henry (dvp. after 1215)
**** 1b. Margaret (d. 1228), mar. 1209 as his second wife Alan, Lord of Galloway, Constable of Scotland (d. 1234), and had issue: .... etc.
**** 2b. Isabella "the Scot" (b. 1206; d. c.1251), mar. Robert de Bruce, Lord of Annandale (d. 1245), and had issue: .... etc.
**** 3b. Lady Matilda (d. unm.)
**** 4b. Lady Ada (d. after 1241), mar. before 7 Jun 1237 Sir Henry de Hastings, of Ashill, co. Norfolk (d. bef. 9 Aug 1250), and had issue
*** 1a. Ada (b. after 1139; d. after 1206), mar. 1162 Florence III, Count of Holland, and had issue
*** 2a. Margaret, mar. (1) c. 1159 Conan IV, Duke of Brittany, and (2) before Easter 1175 Humphrey de Bohun, Constable of England (d. 1182), and had issue by both husbands
*** 3a. Matilda (d. 1152)
** 1. Claricia (d. unm.)
** 2. Hodierna (d. unm.)
*died 24 May 1153
*suc. by grandson
*note
*Prince of Cumbria 1107; styled Earl of Huntingdon in right of his wife and possibly also Earl of Northampton from c. 1113
*From: http://www.cracroftspeerage.co.uk/online/ - SEARCH SITE FOR HUNTINGDON
*_____________________

6/27/2014 at 10:39 AM

*'''Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 2nd Edition ... By Douglas Richardson
*http://books.google.com/books?id=8JcbV309c5UC&printsec=frontcov...
*Vol. II
*Pg.340
* 3. WILLIAM DE HARCOURT, Knt., of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, Aylestone, Leicestershire, Ellenhall, Staffordshire, Staffordshire, Grandborough and Wolvey, Warwickshire, etc., son and heir. He married (1st) about 1250 ALICE LA ZOUCHE, daughter of Roger la Zouche, of Black Torrington and King's Nympton, Devon, Fulbourn and Swavesey, Cambridgeshire, Tong, Shropshire, etc., by Margaret, doubtless daughter of Henry Biset (died 1208), of Kidderminster, Worcestershire. Her maritagium included the manor of Tong, Shropshire. They had two daughters, Orabel and Margaret (or Magery) (wife of John de Cantelowe). In Jan. 1256 he was sued by the Abbot of Lilleshall regarding sales and wastes in the woods of Tong, Shropshire. He married (2nd) about 1254 HILLARY DE HASTINGS, daughter of Henry de Hastings, Knt., of Blunham, Bedfordshire, Barwell, Burbach, Nalstone, and Wistow, Leicestershire, Ashill, Norfolk, etc., King's
*Pg.341
*steward, by Ada, hereditary Steward of the Abbey of Bury St. Edmunds, daughter of David, Earl of Huntingdon [see PEMBROKE 3 for her ancestry]. .... etc.
*Vol. III
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*prisoner at the Battle of Staintes in Poitou 22 July 1242, but was soon exchanged for John de Barrers. He served in Scotland in 1244. In 1245 he presented to the church of Wistow, Leicestershire. In the Pipe Rolls of 1247, his wife Ada, being dead, it was noted that Henry held the manors of Condover and Worfield, Shropshire, "by reason of the heirs of Ada his wife whom he has by the said Ada." In 1249 he accompanied Richard, Earl of Cornwall with a great retinue to Lyons to visit the Pope. The same year he presented to the church of Blunham, Bedfordshire. He was one of the nobles who took the cross in 1250. SIR HENRY DE HASTINGS died shortly before 9 Aug. 1250. On 8 Jan. 1251, the king granted the manor of Yardley Hastings, Northamptonshire, which was part of his wife, Ada's inheritance, together with other four Hastings family manors to his half-brother, Guy de Lusignan, to hold during the minority of the heir. The king likewise granted other parts of Ada's inheritance, namely, the manors of Brampton, Huntingdonshire and Worfield, Shropshire, to another of his half-brothers, Geoffrey de Lusignan, on 25 Jan. 1251 and 28 July 1251 respectively to hold during the minority of the heir. .... etc.
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6/27/2014 at 10:40 AM

*Ada of Huntingdon1,2,3,4,5,6
*F, #6451, d. between 4 August 1241 and 30 June 1242
*Father David, 9th Earl of Huntingdon2,3,7,5,6 b. 1152, d. 17 Jun 1219
*Mother Maud of Chester3,7,6 b. 1171, d. 6 Jan 1233
* Ada of Huntingdon married Sir Henry de Hastings, King's Steward of the Abbey of Bury St. Edmunds, son of Sir William de Hastings, Steward of the Royal Household & of the Abbey of Bury St. Edmunds and Margaret le Bigod, between 1224 and 7 June 1237; They had 1 son (Sir Henry) and 3 daughters (Hillary, wife of Sir William de Harcourt, & of Robert de Frankeville; Ada, wife of Sir Hubert Hovel; & Margery).2,3,4,5,6 Ada of Huntingdon died between 4 August 1241 and 30 June 1242; Buried at Astbury, Cheshire.3,6
*Family Sir Henry de Hastings, King's Steward of the Abbey of Bury St. Edmunds b. c 1205, d. c 9 Aug 1250
*Children
**Hillaria de Hastings+2,3,5,6 d. a 1295
**Ada de Hastings8 b. b 1230, d. a 1301
**Sir Henry de Hastings, Baron Hastings, Constable of Winchester Castle+3,6 b. c 1235, d. c 4 Mar 1269
**Margery de Hastings8 b. c 1237
*Citations
* 1.[S1674] Unknown author, The Complete Peerage, by Cokayne, Vol. IV, p. 670, Vol. VI, p. 345; Ancestral Roots of 60 Colonists, p. 91; Burke's Peerage, 1938, p. 1356.
* 2.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 340-341.
* 3.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 321-323.
* 4.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. I, p. 226.
* 5.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. III, p. 204.
* 6.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. III, p. 248-249.
* 7.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. I, p. 223.
* 8.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. III, p. 251.
*From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p215.htm#i...
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6/27/2014 at 10:40 AM

*Ada of Huntingdon1
*F, #107766, d. after 1241
*Last Edited=19 Jan 2011
*Consanguinity Index=0.1%
* Ada of Huntingdon was the daughter of David of Scotland, 9th Earl of Huntingdon and Matilda of Chester.1 She married Sir Henry de Hastings before 7 June 1237.1 She died after 1241.1
*Children of Ada of Huntingdon and Sir Henry de Hastings
** 1.Sir Henry de Hastings+1 d. c 5 Mar 1268/69
** 2.Eleanor de Hastings+2
*Citations
* 1.[S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Families: The Complete Genealogy (London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 194. Hereinafter cited as Britain's Royal Families.
* 2.[S37] BP2003 volume 2, page 1816. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
*From: http://www.thepeerage.com/p10777.htm#i107766
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6/27/2014 at 10:41 AM

*Henry De HASTINGS of Asshill (Sir)
*Born: ABT 1190
*Died: 9 Aug 1250
*Notes: of Asshill, Norfolk
*Father: William De HASTINGS
*Mother: Margaret BIGOD
*Married: Ada De HUNTINGDON (b. AFT 1190 - d. AFT 2 Nov 1241) (dau. of David De Huntingdon and Maud De Keveliok) 7 Jun 1237
*Children:
**1. Henry De HASTINGS (Sir Constable of Winchester Castle)
**2. Margaret De HASTINGS
**3. Hillary De HASTINGS
*From: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/HASTINGS1.htm#Henry De HASTINGS of Asshill (Sir)
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6/27/2014 at 10:42 AM

*Henry de Hastings (c. 1235–c. 1269) was created Baron in 1264 by Simon de Montfort. He led the Londoners at the Battle of Lewes, where he was taken prisoner, and fought at the Battle of Evesham. He resisted the King at Kenilworth, and, after the Dictum of Kenilworth he commanded the last remnants of the baronial party when they made their last stand in the Isle of Ely, submitting to Henry in July 1267.
*Henry was the only son of Sir Henry de Hastings and Ada of Huntingdon, one of four daughters of David of Scotland, 8th Earl of Huntingdon and Maud of Chester. Henry married Joan de Cantilupe, daughter of William III de Cantilupe and Eva de Braose.
*Although Henry was known by the title of Baron, his baronial title was not recognised by the crown; hence his son John Hastings, 1st Baron Hastings is regarded and enumerated as the first baron of the line.
*From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_de_Hastings,_1st_Baron_Hastings
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6/27/2014 at 10:59 AM

Henry de Hastings died shortly before 9 Aug. 1250, Ada of Huntingdon died between 4 August 1241 and 30 June 1242, most of the references which list that Ralph Brereton was married to Ada state that she was widow of Henry de Hastings, it would seem that Ada died before Henry de Hastings. So how could she be his widow? And it would seem the 2 children attributed to her by Ralph were born after her decease.

If you ask me it does not seem then that Ada of Huntindon could of been wife of Ralph Brereton since she died before her husband Henry de Hastings.

Private User
6/27/2014 at 11:50 AM

re: Ada the elder. Source Wikipedia article on David of Huntingdon. See notes in about section.

Private User
6/27/2014 at 11:56 AM

OK, noting the discrepancy is what I needed. I wasn't following the thinking otherwise. :(

So we need to understand the death date of Ada of Huntington, Heiress of Yardley?

Who got the Yardley estates?

Private User
6/27/2014 at 12:19 PM

Do we agree that:

Sir Ralph or Randolphus de Brereton, Knt. He married, secondly, Margaret, daughter and coheiress of sir Rhydderch Groes. Knt.

This is as per http://books.google.com/books?id=xh0fAAAAMAAJ&lpg=PA92&ots=...

The History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher, and the Ancient ..., Volume 3, By Jacob Youde William Lloyd, page 92

If I get a "yes" I will go ahead and start that profile and cut loose "did not marry a possible stepdaughter"

Private User
6/27/2014 at 12:29 PM

makes sense to me.

Private User
6/27/2014 at 12:33 PM

As far as I can tell, the death date for Ada de Huntington is NOT known.

The exact quote is:

LIVING: 2 Nov 1241. (2, 4)

From
* 2. TCP vol 3 page 169 footnote
* 4. Magna Carta Sureties page 9 line 7:3

As cited on page https://histfam.familysearch.org//getperson.php?personID=I93191&amp...

I will see if I can get a view of the footnote. I assume she signed something on that date.

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