Richard Richard Richard de Camville

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yesterday at 11:57 AM

The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Ric de Capvilla" in Oxfordshire[1812].

The Red Book of the Exchequer refers to "Ricardo de Campville viii m" in Hampshire in [1158/59].

The Red Book of the Exchequer refers to "Ricardus de Campville in perdono per breve Regis" in Warwickshire [and/or] Leicestershire in [1161/62].

Is this one person, two, three, maybe four? And how do we find out?

The Oxfordshire Camville family is the one that acquired and then lost the manor of Stanton - there are believed to have been as many as three consecutive Richards in that family. One of them, either the first or second, donated “terciam partem decimarum...apud Hottoth” to Jumièges, for the souls of “uxoris mee Adelicie et sequentis uxoris mee Milesente...Rogeri fratris mei”, by charter dated [5 Apr 1170/27 Mar 1171], subscribed by “Ricardi filii mei...” (who should have been of age by that time, although minors were occasionally permitted to witness charters).

The Warwickshire Richard de Camville would be the one who founded Coombe Abbey in 1150, with a son and heir Gerard (or Gerald) and a brother Hugh.

I haven't a guess about Hampshire or Leicestershire.

And there's another record for a Richard de Camville in Northamptonshire, and one in Berkshire....

Like, just how many of these guys WERE there?

Private User
yesterday at 4:10 PM

The inconsistencies between the known data surrounding the Oxfordshire and Warwickshire Camvilles are sufficient to create suspicion that two different branches are involved.

Gerald/Gerard de Camville, who was the oldest of four brothers and married Nicolaa de Haye, pretty definitely belongs to the Warwickshire branch and looks like the oldest son of the founder of Coombe Abbey.

The three(?) Richard Camvilles of Oxfordshire would then be cousins of the Warwickshire family, not members of it. This would resolve the difficulties in dating and birth order that result when trying to fit them all together.

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