http://www.geni.com/people/Daniel-Jacobus-Erasmus/6000000020328234751

My preliminary response was:
Any other input?

SAF CD 09 currently reflects:
e6b 5 c 2 d 2 e 6 Daniel Jacobus (nie genoem deur H. Erasmus) » 15.11.1789 x 6/10.7.1807 Cornelia Jacoba Susanna KRUGER * 3.7.1791» 13.7.1791 d.v. Pieter Ernst Kruger en Anna Catharina van Aswegen: inligting vermoedelik foutief – sien b5c12d3] x Graaff-Reinet 5.7.1813 Jacomina Elizabeth BOTHMA.

and
d3b 5 c 1 2 d 3 Daniel Jacobus » 5.11.1786, Voortrekker x Swellendam 10.7.1807 Cornelia Jacoba Susanna KRUGER * c. 1791 d.v. Pieter Ernst Kruger en Anna Catharina van Aswegen

which is a cousin of him.

We will have to analyse whether your quoted document handles both situations or

whether you should have posed your input to another profile (b5c12d3) or

whether in Geni we have swopped the wives of the 2 cousins

Daan As said before Ileave it in your capable hands. Af ribbebeen. Eina pyn.
J

Hi Daan/Judy

I would like to assist in cleaning up this profile. It is locked and there are unresolved issues with this profile.

Daniel Jacobus Erasmus, b5c2d2e6
Daniel Jacobus Erasmus, b5c12cd3

These so-called cousins are not that closely related. As can be glimpsed from the above they share a gr-grandfather and a grandfather.

With the same name and same wife (Kruger), these two men have been duplicated by mistake (over the years).

The real husband of Kruger was the son of Daniel Jacob Erasmus & Prinsloo ... and is noted as b5c2d2e6 on Geni. His baptism record is available and confirms this. This is the 1st issue that needs to be addressed.

His wife's (Kruger) boedel states that she was his widow. This confirms that she outlived him and that he only married once. This is the 2nd issue. The (b5c12d3) profile needs to be corrected so as to not duplicate this information, please.

Judy, if you would like me to correct the b5c12d3 profile so that it does not duplicate this b5c2d2e6 profile, it would be my pleasure. Please advise, thank-you Judy :-)

Alex

The basis for the current b5c12d3 profile's link to Oupa Swartkoppies is a piece written by Dr. Jan Visagie to be found on rootsweb and on the About section of b5c12d3.

Visagie mentions that b5c12d3 and the trekleier and vldkt of Kraairivier (Stephanus P. Erasmus b5c13d4) were brothers and inherited half of the farm Brandrivier each.

This needs to be checked and understood correctly. My understanding is that we may have a mix up.

The brother of Oupa Swartkoppies mentioned by Jan Visagie is noted as Stephanus Petrus Erasmus b5c12d4 who was volksraad member in Natal and who married the sister of Cornelia Kruger, the wife of D.J. Erasmus (Oupa Swartkoppies).

I have confirmed the parents of S.P. Erasmus (=1788) in the baptism registry as Daniel Lardus Erasmus & Catharina vd Merwe.

Therefore, Jan Visagie has created some confusion as Oupa Swartkoppies (D.J. Erasmus) in his baptism registry entry has the following parents (*1785) (=1789) son of Daniel Jacobus Erasmus & M. Prinsloo.

The church records give these two individuals as the sons of different parents. They are not brothers ... they did however marry two sisters (Kruger).

Daan, what do you suggest we do ... please help!

I suggest we go with the church registry as it is a primary source and is clear on this matter. There are others that agree such as Biesenbach, Rossouw, de Villiers & Pama ...

Kan ons die nodige korreksies aanbring!

A

Back at home again. Will try to unravel this now. Alexander pse double check.
D

Can we pse check the children -too many not to be duplicates!
D

Thank-you!

I think that Jacomina Elizabeth Bothma may need to be removed as his wife.

The following is directly from the thesis, 'Die Erasmusse van Garstfontein' by T. Rossouw, 2003:

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Volgens S. E. Biesenbach het Daniel Jacobus en Cornelia Jacoba Susanna Kruger sestien kinders gehad, waarvan ses reeds op ‘n jong ouderdom gesterf het. Volgens J. H. Heese kon dit nie
moonlik wees nie, want Daniel Jacobus het reeds in 1813 weer in die huwelik getree met Jacomina Elizabeth Bothma. C.C. de Villiers en N. H. Theunissen maak geen melding van ‘n tweede huwelik nie. Volgens die boedel van Cornelia Jacoba Susanna Erasmus (Kruger) was sy die langslewende en in die boedel word dit duidelik gemeld dat sy die weduwee van Daniel Jacobus Erasmus was. Volgens Cornelia Jacoba Susanna se boedel is sy in 1902 oorlede en haar man, Daniel Jacobus Erasmus is op 2 November 1875 oorlede.

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The birth dates of the children of Cornelia Jacoba Susanna Kruger fall on dates that make it impossible for Jacomina Elizabeth Bothma to also have been the wife of D.J. Erasmus.

For this to have occurred both women would have had to have been married to the same D.J. Erasmus during the same time. Not possible! Jacomina Elizabeth Bothma is not mentioned by anybody except in Heese et al. and that must have happened by mistake.
J.E. Bothma needs to be removed from this profile.

I checked and there is another profile on Geni with Jacomina Elizabeth Bothma married to a D.J. Erasmus.
Jacomina Elizabeth Erasmus, b5c3d10e2f3

The source for Jacomina Elizabeth Bothma and her children with D.J. Erasmus is given as SAF '09.

J.E. Bothma does not fit here. The time frame and Cornelia Jacoba Susanna Kruger's boedel make this an impossibility.

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Thank-you for your help with this Daan.

Alex

Name Daniel Jacobus Erasmus
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 15 Nov 1789
Event Place Cape Town, Cape of Good Hope, South Africa
Father's Name Daniel Jacobus Erasmus
Mother's Name Maria Elisabeth Prinsloo
"South Africa, Dutch Reformed Church Registers (Cape Town Archives), 1660-1970 ," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFTS-79B

Volgens GISA is Daniel J Erasmus c12d3 gedoop op 5/11/1786. x 10/07/1807 Cornelia Jacoba Susanna Kruger (dv Pieter Ernst Kruger en Anna Catharina v Aswegen) Geen melding van van 'n huwelik met 'n Bothma nie. Hy het 13 kinders gehad. (nie 24 kinders nie
Sy ouers was Daniel Elardus Erasmus en Cecilia Gertruida du Plessis
Daniel J Erasmus d2f3 sv Daniel Jacob(us) en Maria Elizabeth Prinsloo is op 15/11/1789 gedoop en was getroud met Cornelia Jacoba Susanna Kruger op10/7/1809 en met Jacomina Elizabeth Bothma op Graaff Reinet 5/7/1813. Hy het 6 kinders gehad.
Sy eerste huwelik was op 20 jarige ouderdom - ek dink 'n bietjie jonk vir 'n seun, selfs destyds. Was hy nie dalk getroud met Bothma en die ander DJE

Volgens GISA is Daniel J Erasmus c12d3 gedoop op 5/11/1786. x 10/07/1807 op Swellendam met Cornelia Jacoba Susanna Kruger (dv Pieter Ernst Kruger en Anna Catharina v Aswegen) Geen melding van van 'n huwelik met 'n Bothma nie. Hy het 13 kinders gehad. (nie 24 kinders nie
Sy ouers was Daniel Elardus Erasmus en Cecilia Gertruida du Plessis
Daniel J Erasmus d2f3 sv Daniel Jacob(us) en Maria Elizabeth Prinsloo is op 15/11/1789 gedoop en was getroud met Cornelia Jacoba Susanna Kruger 0op10/7/1809 en met Jacomina Elizabeth Bothma op Graaff Reinet 5/7/1813. Hy het 6 kinders gehad.
Was hy nie dalk getroud met Bothma en die ander DJE met Cornelia JS Kruger nie ?
Jammer, ek het perongeluk die boonste pos gestuur voor ek klaar was. Hoop my bydra is van nut. Toe ek oorspronklik die twee DJ A's op Geni geplaas het, het ek dieselfde bron gebruik maar nie die diskrepansie opgemerk nie.
Groete van Mosselbaai

Dankie Robert, waardeer jou insetting. Die doop datum 5.11.1786 moet nog bevestig word en ek wil graag die huwelik van 10.7.1807 ook bevestig.

Die aantal kinders vir hierdie paartjie is nie meer as 16 nie.

Volgens C.C. De Villiers is Daniel Jacob Erasmus en Maria Elisabeth Prinsloo die ouers van Daniel Jacobus Erasmus (Oupa Swartkoppies) (=15.11.1789) x Cornelia Jacoba Susanna Kruger.

[https://archive.org/stream/OudeKaapscheFamilienPart1/OudeKaapscheFa... C.C. de Villiers, Geslacht Register der Oude Kaapsche Familien deel 1 bl. 216]

Die volgende verwys na die genealogiese verbinding tussen die Zwartkop Erasmus en Prinsloo familie (Oupa Swartkoppies se moederslyn) wat met die familie van Kmdt-Genl A.H. Potgieter en Slagter's Nek verbind word.

* Moeder van D.J. Erasmus (=1789), Maria Elizabeth Prinsloo {b3c3d8}, se broer Hendrik Frederik Prinsloo {b3c3d3} (=04.09.1746) is by Slagtersnek die doodstraf gegee.

* Maria Elizabeth Prinsloo {b3c3d8} se suster, Petronella Prinsloo (=01.10.1744) se dogter, Petronella Margaretha Krugel (*14.11.1773) is getroud met (1790) Hermanus Potgieter ‘de Oude’ {b7c8d7} Onderhandelaar by Slagtersnek en hulle is die ouers van Hoof-Kmdt. AH Potgieter. Hermanus het adjunk-landdros Van der Graaff se brief na die rebelle oorgedra (Slagtersnek en sy mense, Heese).

* Maria Elizabeth Prinsloo {b3c3d8} se broer, Joachemus Prinsloo [Joachimus Johannes Prinsloo], (=13.10.1754) is met haar man se suster getroud (11.11.1781) Elisabeth Johanna Erasmus {b5c2d5} (≈21.04.1764). Joachemus en Elisabeth se kleinseun, Joachim Johannes Petrus Prinsloo {b3c3d6e1f3} (=05.10.1807) (+08.12.1877 ‘Garsfontein’, Pretoria) Landrost v. Ohrigstad en President van die Tvl. Volksraad 1847.

* Maria Elizabeth Prinsloo {b3c3d8} se broer, Marthinus Prinsloo (*Kloppersbos, Hexrivier) (=13.02.1751) was die Oosgrenspionier en Graaff-Reinetse rebelleleier. Marthinus se kleindogter, Margaretha Maria Elisabeth Erasmus [Maria Margaretha Elisabeth Prinsloo] {b3c3d5e2f2} (*19.11.1811) is getroud met (06.01.1828 Somerset-Oos) Daniel Jacobus Opperman {b1c9d2} (*27.11.1804) sv Philippus Albertus Opperman (≈14.09.1777) Veldkornet gedurende Slagtersnek.

* Die dogter van Daantjie Doornkloof was Pieternella Hendriena Erasmus en sy is getroud met Daniel Jacobus Opperman {b1c9d2} (*05.07.1832) sv Philippus Albertus Opperman, Veldkornet gedurend Slagtersnek, EN Johanna Petronella Erasmus {b5c2d2e2}. Johanna Petronella Erasmus was die SUSTER van Oupa Swartkoppies gewees en die dv Daniel Jacob Erasmus & Maria Elizabeth Prinsloo.

Groetnis,

Alex

vinnige regstelling ... op die laaste punt:

* Die dogter van Daantjie Doornkloof was Pieternella Hendriena Erasmus en sy is getroud met Daniel Jacobus Opperman (*05.07.1832) seun van Daniel Jacobus Opperman {b1c9d2} (*27.11.1804) en die kleinseun van Philippus Albertus Opperman, Veldkornet gedurend Slagtersnek, EN Johanna Petronella Erasmus {b5c2d2e2}. Johanna Petronella Erasmus was die SUSTER van Oupa Swartkoppies gewees en die dv Daniel Jacob Erasmus & Maria Elizabeth Prinsloo.