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The Troublesome Anglo-Saxons

Started by Private User on Wednesday, January 20, 2010

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Private User
1/20/2010 at 9:01 AM

This Discussion thread is for important information to anyone who gets involved with the Anglo-Saxon lines, where the potential for confusion and error is huge.

If you have nothing to do with the merging of these lines, click "Unfollow" on top of this page.

If you by any chance come across these Anglo-Saxons: please read carefully, and use this thread to discuss difficult issues.

See also: http://wiki.geni.com/index.php/Anglo_Saxon_Kings_Merge

Anglo-Saxons is the term usually used to describe the invading Germanic tribes in the south and east of Great Britain from the early 5th century AD, and their creation of the English nation, to the Norman conquest of 1066.[1] The Benedictine monk, Bede, identified them as the descendants of three Germanic tribes:

* The Angles, who may have come from Angeln, and Bede wrote that their whole nation came to Britain,[3] leaving their former land empty. The name 'England' (Anglo-Saxon 'Engla land' or 'Ængla land' originates from this tribe.[4]
* The Saxons, from Lower Saxony (German: Niedersachsen, Germany)
* The Jutes, from the Jutland peninsula.

Their languages were Old Saxon and Old English (very similar to Old Norse), and if you find it difficult to distinguish between their rather similar-sounding names, please stay away from merging in this line.

Private User
1/20/2010 at 9:14 AM

EDWARD THE ELDER

Edward the Elder was married three times and had a total of 16 or 17 children, five sons and 11 or 12 daughters. At the moment he has over 50 spouses, and some 220 children. I’m trying to clean up this mess, and PLEASE avoid this line – and Anglo-Saxons in general – if you’re not an expert and can tell Anglo-Saxon names from each other.

Most Master Profiles in this area are marked with a huge Warning-photo: http://www.geni.com/photo/view/6000000001040371607?photo_id=6000000...

- which tells you I’m working in the line AND please do not do ANYTHING here unless you’re 100 % sure you’re doing the right thing.

Edward ‘the Elder’ of England: Edward I "The Elder", King of the Anglo-Saxons
Edward I "The Elder", King of the Anglo-Saxons

He had three wives:
A: Ecgwynn, 1st wife, three children: Ecgwynn
Ecgwynn

1. Ælfred Ælfred of Wessex
http://www.geni.com/people/%C3%86lfred-of-Wessex/6000000003645985264

2. Æthelstan, King of Wessex Æthelstan, 1st King of the English
http://www.geni.com/people/%C3%86thelstan-the-Glorious-of-Wessex/60...

3. Eadgyth, married Sithric, King of York Eadgyth of Dublin and York
Eadgyth of Dublin and York

B: second wife Ælfflæd Æthelhelmsdottir of Wiltshire, eight (or nine) children: Ælfflæd of Wiltshire, Queen of the Anglo Saxons
http://www.geni.com/people/%C3%86lffl%C3%A6d-of-Wiltshire-2nd-wife-...

4. Ædfletha of Winchester Ædflæd of Wessex, Nun at Winchester
http://www.geni.com/people/%C3%86dfl%C3%A6d/6000000003645985310

5. (?) Æthelfletha of Romsay Æthelflæda of Wessex, Nun at Romsey (might be identical to the one above)
http://www.geni.com/people/%C3%86thelfl%C3%A6da/6000000003645985315

6. Eadgifu, married Charles III and Herbert Ēadgifu of Wessex, Queen of France
http://www.geni.com/people/%C4%92adgifu-of-Franks-de-Vermandois/600...

7. Ælfweard Ælfweard, King of the English
http://www.geni.com/people/%C3%86lfweard-of-Wessex/6000000003232558398

8. Eadwine Eadwin Æthling of Wessex
Eadwin Æthling of Wessex

9. Æthelhild of Wilton Æthelhild, Nun at Wilton
http://www.geni.com/people/%C3%86thelhild-of-England/60000000036459...

10. Eadhild, married Hugues Capet Eadhilde of Wessex
Eadhilde of Wessex

11. Eadgyth, married Otto von Sachsen, Kaiser Ēadgyð - Edith of Wessex, Holy Roman Empress
Ēadgyð - Edith of Wessex, Holy Roman Empress

12. Ælfgifu Saint Ælfgifu of Shaftesbury (wrongly assumed married to Boleslaw)
http://www.geni.com/people/%C3%86lfgifu/6000000003645985348

C: Third wife
Eadgifu daughter of Sigehelm, Eadgifu of Kent, four children
Eadgifu of Kent

13. Edmund the Magnificent Edmund I "The Magnificent", King of the English
Edmund I "The Magnificent", King of the English

14. Eadburgha Eadburgha of Wessex, Nun at Nunnaminster
Eadburgha of Wessex, Nun at Nunnaminster

15. Eadgifu, married Ludwig Thurgau Eadgifu
Eadgifu

16. Eadred Ædred, King of the English
Ædred, King of the English

Private User
1/20/2010 at 9:33 AM

For those who are working in this line, our main online source is the Medieval Lands database, which relies solely on primary sources:
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20&%20Dan...

For those wanting to know more about who the Anglo-Saxons really were, there is an overview and links to further sub-topics here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxons

1/20/2010 at 9:45 AM

King Aethelwulf. Please merge down and correct parents to Egbert and Redburga
Aethelwulf, King of Wessex

Queen Redburga. please merge down and break all parents as her parents are unknown.
Rædburh, Queen Consort of Wessex

Agatha wife of Edward Ætheling. please merge down and break all parents as her parents are unknown.
1/ Agatha (Dght. of Liudolf&Gertrude) von Braunschweig

Private User
1/20/2010 at 8:45 PM

Anne Marit,

the job you are doing is just great

may I add that anglo-saxon names do have scandinavian equivalent which are sometimes confusing because during middle age individuals had property all around the North See and Channel and that local document tend to refer to them under their local title only

I refer to the Orkney Jarls or the Bruce/Brus and others n addition title and property was sometimes transferred not by the father but the mother as in Scotland

this indeed add to the confusion

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