Is Francois Savoie really the son of Tomaso?

Started by Donovan Domingue on Tuesday, February 9, 2010

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9/20/2011 at 1:54 PM

Greg; I don't have Pro either but sometimes (as Marsha suggested) I have foun some profiles that way...again so far as I have found; that line is correct; you can also do a google search for Anne Saint Etienne De La Tour, or her father Charles Amador De Latour, or his father Claude....on google, much of that work has been done by the Late Rene Jetty (Jeddy?) (can't remember how to spell his last name at the moment; sorry) also Anne's line is in Tanguay....

1/27/2012 at 9:09 AM

@ Gregory - Catherine LeJune was one of my great grandmothers so far I have traced in many areas her father Pierre LeJune (dit Briard) married a MicMac Indian. Catherine was married to Francois Savoye (Savoie) spelled many ways in my research, still trying to link Francois to Tomas.Can anyone help me?

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1/27/2012 at 1:46 PM

At this point, barring any historical documentary miracle, there appears to be no hard evidence of the relationship between Francois and his supposed father. As imaginative and fantastic any tie could be, it doesn't seem to be able to be proven positively given the evidence. However, there are plausible reasons for maintaining a low profile in some sort of exile in Canada during a period of warfare back in Europe. If there is any evidence of Francois Savoie being referrred to as "Prince" prior to his passing, I would LOVE to see it. There are numerous issues of contention regarding fatherhood in any genealogical effort as we ALL can never be for certain WHO our daddy is in an age without paternity testing, ie. pretty much any time before our lifetimes. MOTHERHOOD is quite a valid indicator as many more at least know who "momma" was. In this case, even the idea that Marie De Bourbon was the mother out of wedlock seems to have been scrubbed from any Savoia or Savoy or Savoie family documents. The conspiratorial want to believe that jealous family members over time removed this record over time and there is a memory hole. Perhaps...but hard to do. The so-called painting referred to by some has NEVER been shown here on Geni or anywhere for that matter with a young Francois as child of Marie De Bourbon. If it is available, please post.

OK. So I want to believe that this relationship is valid.
I do know in my case that I have other ties to royalty via other bloodlines so I am not so worried about it if I am trying to gain some pride out of the relation. I don't need it. I already know I am tied in regardless.

However, it is circumstantial evidence that 9-10 generations after the time period of the Savoy family in Europe, genetic traits DO show up in facial and body type in myself and others. Hence, the current Aimone de Savoie could be my stunt double or vice versa...very similar to me and he would be my 10th or 11th cousin via this relation. Pretty strange. He is also the heir to the throne of Italy, should the monarchy ever be restored. LOL. (contended with another cousin)

1/28/2012 at 10:48 AM

Thank you Gregory for your input .

2/8/2012 at 1:51 AM

I would like to know the truth too. I am related to Francois Savoie through my maternal grandfather. My grandfather's parents were Honore Thomas Landry and Marie Rose Savoie.

2/15/2012 at 11:29 AM

Whether François Savoy/ie/ye (1621) was the natural son of Tommasso Francesco (age ~25) or even his father Charles Emmanuel I (age ~59) in either case he would not have been legitimated or held any title.

Though a positive DNA match with descendants of the noble European Savoys is tantalizing, François' father could still potentially be any descendant of Umberto I "Biancamano", (1003–1047 or 1048.)

More likely François was a peasant with an ancestor at some point who was named for simply being from the Duchy of Savoy, though admittedly the portraits and photos of many of the European nobles are strikingly familiar.

2/17/2012 at 12:20 AM

For those of you that are interested, I was looking at a Metis website that listed the names of people of the Gaspe region who are considered to be of Metis ancestry.
Francois Savoie of France m. Catherine Lejeune (Metis), 1633-1672 daughter of Pierre Lejeune, 1595-1636 and Margaret-Amerindian Mi'kmaq Member tou.
Genalogists named were "Rejean Martel" 1-418-782-2306 and "Lucien Gignac", manager of research for Community Mixed, 1-418-392-6379.

2/20/2012 at 2:12 PM

Does anyone have the reference to DNA work done in recent years which supposedly cast doubt on the Catherine LeJeune Mi'kmaq connection?

2/21/2012 at 12:07 AM

I made a mistake with Catharine Lejeune. She is believed to be the daughter of Pierre Lejeune b. 1595-1636 and an unknown Mi'kmaq woman. Margaret Membertou, daughter of Chief Henry Membertou married Martin Lejeune, son of Pierre Lejeune, who is believed to be Catherine's & Edmee's brother.
You can read the following site and decide for yourself:
http://brasdorfirstnation.com/The_Lejeune_Mikmaq_Family.php

2/21/2012 at 1:20 PM

Thanks for the link and clarification

3/13/2012 at 9:47 AM

thanks for all the info :) i myself am a 8x great grandson to Francois

3/19/2012 at 12:06 AM

Pierre Lejeune, Catherine's brother, married an unknown Mi'kmaq woman. It was Pierre's son Martin that married Chief Henri Membertou's daughter Jeanne.
It is believed by many that Pierre Lejeune Sr. , Catherine's father, also married a Mi'kmaq woman. Personally, I believe he did marry a Mi'kmaq woman but whether this Mi'kmaq wife was his first or second wife is another matter. It is possible that Catherine and her sister Edmee may have had different mothers. All we know for sure is that Catherine, her brother Pierre and her sister Edmee did live with the natives prior to their marriages. This fact alone suggests that they were at least part native or were adopted by the natives.

4/12/2012 at 3:13 PM

francois savoie must had the italian genes because i resemble piero de medici il gottoso.

5/10/2012 at 8:30 AM

While I can appreciate the conviction of your genealogical pursuit, I must say that I am truly appalled by the letter written to the Real Casa di Savoia.

What outright arrogance! And to not have the decency or cultural sense to address the family properly! The spoken style for both HRH the Duke of Aosta and HRH the Duke of Apulia are just that! (HRH) - His Royal Highness.

I nearly fainted upon seeing a comment that suggested taking an illegal swab of the Family! Some jokes are simply not acceptable.

I think we must all remember -
"La nobiltà non è cosa che si acquista nascendo, ma virtuosamente vivendo"
;) Might I say that keeping this in mind, the genealogy has already been decided. Hopes and dreams.

Enjoy the history that you have. It starts in 1621 and Not earlier until you've produced some archival evidence. And please, carissimi, do keep in mind that even if some link is made (and as you were informed - it is nothing but fanciful to even consider) you certainly have absolutely no claims of any sort any place whatsoever!
The forumist suggesting otherwise ought to be examined for insanity.

Descendants 400 years removed, connected BY AN ILLEGITIMATE offspring, never recognized, would continue to hold precisely NO connection to the Real Casa ...
and never will. Do you know how many royal houses have 150 year illegitimately connected offspring that nobody cares about and have no claim to a thing? Plenty running around Europe right now.
So understand dismissal of the Real Casa di Savoia and know that the Burden of Proof lies in your hands.

Until then.

Distinti Saluti,
VdCB

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5/11/2012 at 8:34 PM

Apologies for an attempt at historical dialogue faltering due to failure to pay deference to HRH.

"What outright arrogance! And to not have the decency or cultural sense to address the family properly! The spoken style for both HRH the Duke of Aosta and HRH the Duke of Apulia are just that! (HRH) - His Royal Highness"

5/25/2012 at 8:37 AM

well vittorio it sounds like your royal personages are hiding something or you know something you aint sayin
well you you know what signore it aint no joke so ha
when francois savoie was dying he admitted to bein thomas frasncis of savoy's son so there.

6/10/2012 at 12:27 AM

@Vittorio MdCB

All we're doing here is looking for ancestors before 1621. The interest in the current Casa di Savoia is purely historical via modern genetics. Anyone with a shred of nobility could excuse a bit of arrogance from a person speculating a split that predated everything from the Waldensian Massacre, craven failures in the face of fascism, right up to the current whoremongering and parking lot fist-fights the Casa di Savoia is now most famous for.

If nobility is indeed not gained by birth, but by virtuous living, might I point out your own impudence in even so addressing any Acadian whose lack of any obsequiousness towards crowns was paid for in blood and served the most noble purpose of all.

6/11/2012 at 5:17 AM

@Claude Savoie

Vittorio MdCB sounds like a pompous ass. As if all of us raggedy North American descendents of Francois Savoie are after a handful of the family silver. Also, how does anyone know who Vittorio really is, he could be the family boot boy for all we know, some wrong-side-of-the-blanket descendent, just like the importuning North American upstarts sending inappropriate communications to HRH's thereby proving our base-born status. Don't let Vittorio get you down, it's hard to fly like an eagle when we are related to turkeys. (Written with tongue firmly planted in cheek, but 'just saying' as the kids put it.)

6/12/2012 at 2:58 PM

@ RoseMary Peddie

Thanks for the noble yet hilarious response. I'm not sure what made me so disagreeable, but now I'm thinking it might have been some burritos I ate.

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7/2/2012 at 8:21 AM

@Claude, your choice words for Vittorio, the one truly representing the basest of human conditions, snobbery and loathing of the "lesser peoples" by his tone has brightened my day. As if to even think for a second that ANYONE owes deference to royalty in any sort in modern times aside from a historical interest is laughable.

Elisabeth Gnitka
7/2/2012 at 7:39 PM

I still have my hopes that Marie de Bourbon turns out to be his mother. No matter, how sad the story must have been. We may not know the answer to all the questions in this life, but they will be given to us in the next.

7/8/2012 at 1:03 PM

the house of savoy is hidding screts to our past.
they probably knew all this time abt francois' past

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9/9/2012 at 9:08 AM

Many interesting occurances in many Acadian families like this.May I refer you to another simular person around the same time,Michel Hache-Gallant,another son of another supposedly unknown french father and a Mi'Kmaq woman,the church continues to withhold facts on these and many other persons.

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9/9/2012 at 9:10 AM

Oh in vittorios case I would ignore him unless he is willing to put his DNA up for the world to see! Put up or shut up!

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9/9/2012 at 9:15 AM

May I also provide this link for your perusal www.theLibraryofHope.com/basketstories2.htm as for the reason for the church to continue to secret these documents from not only the public but the families also.

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9/9/2012 at 9:25 AM

In the cases of Edmee and Catherine LeJuene Having European Haplogroup,can be explained by an earlier period where fishermen from portugal intermaried with Mi'Kaq's,so by the time other europeans arrived the had been assimulated into natives,thus you have this puzzle that everyone is talking about.Their DNA U6a has many localized clusters,that are not found in europe,only in Acadia.

2/17/2013 at 11:46 AM

Geanology is a spirtial experience. I belive in prayer and some times dreams will come to tell you what is and what is not and I have barked up the wrong tree and the ansewers in dreams afther prayer. Our ancestors want you to find them. amilies is the strongest ties between us..

3/11/2013 at 1:42 PM

I would say yes because. Those at that time was born out of wedlock and catholic it became a scandal for the family and they would like to barry the story of a birth of a illedgemet birth out side of wed lock.This happen all the way to the 20th centry.Thr Savoie were kind of self important as royalty and concerderd more important than the common people surly they would look at this birth as shamfull and sinfull. We know that Francois had a different view as his family did so that is why he came to acadia and humble enough to marry ito the native people. To him people were human and equal. This is not the view of his family.

3/14/2013 at 2:32 PM

In the case of Edmee & Catherine Lejeune, I believe they were born in Acadia and as previously mentioned above, most likely a result of fishermen that intermarried with the Mi'kmac.
On my maternal grandfather's lineage I connect to both sisters as well as Michel Hache Gallant. I read recently that in 1994 they found a document in Quebec that said he was the son of a Frenchman & Eskimo. The St. Jehan had a "Michel Gallant" listed as one of it's passenger and some say young Michel was named after his father. The question now is "Was Pierre Larche actually this named Michel Gallant?"All we know is Pierre's wife "Adrienne Langlois" wasn't young Michel's mother.
There is no known Eskimo tribe in NS so was young Michel's mother actually an Eskimo or Montagnais Indian (now called Innu)? The French often called the Montagnais "Little Eskimo'. We do know that some Eskimo's in that time period were captives of other native tribes.

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