Is Francois Savoie really the son of Tomaso?

i suggest that catherine and tomasso met around 1616 - 1619
since they loved each other maybe he asked her to get married
maybe all those years of being married marie deep down inside he still had feelings for catherine.

one time i went on myheritage and i listed as tomasso francois's father and his mother catherine habsburg it said that her married name was savoie i had four matches all saying she was philip iii habsburg daughter with catherine and given her being born 1600 madrid spain died 1627.

philip had a "affectionate" close relationship with margaret, and paid additional attention after she bor him a son in 1605.

catherine is listed as francois savoie's mother on an lds site
and a family tree maker website.

catherine was probably a illegitmite child just her son francois
and illegitmite children dont always have many records.

catherine was probably philip iii's mistress not francois's mother but catherine's mother

catherine met philip iii habsburg during his marriage to margaret of austria, she probably gave birth to catherine 1600 at madrid and raised catherine without philip wikipedia dont mention a catherine but im sure she was a real person and she knew tomasso which i highly thin she was francois's mother it all fits francois was born 1621 his mother takes care of him died at age 27 and francois lives on farmer in martaize france thats why francois listed himself as being born there he probably wasnt old to know were he came from it was a shock catherine was dead tomasso didnt want him and marie was the jealous old bird who got everything.

when francois lived on that farm he learn how to be a ploughman/laboureur.

there is a photo of marie de bourbon on http://www.geneall.net/f/perpage.phpid=16012.

happy new year's day

Darn. Tried to use the link you gave for the photo and it is 404-file not found.

I would love to know more about this connection or possible connection as I too decend from Francois Savoie/Savoy/etc

Thanks to all who contribute here. Most definitely the DNA comparisons with current Savoies would be marvellous to have, and any other documentation they have that we don't have access to. Meanwhile, it's still wonderful to have these "tid-bits" as they add to the Family Stories I can share with my own extended family--it's the stories that interest them and add to the sense of Heritage. Eventually their may lead them to do more research on various "dead ends" of ours. We are direct descendents of Andree Savoie, Francois' daughter. We have many different ties to Acadian and French Creole families in Louisiana.

francois savoie could the illegitmite love child of tomaso savoie and catherine habsburg

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I am descended from Albinne Savoie and Francois LeRose on my maternal side. I am interested in the debate. Have some male
descendants of Francois Savoie approached anyone except the immedate royal family of Savoy to submit to a DNA test?

The impression I received from contact with the officials representing the royal family were that they were not in the least interested in "submitting" to anything that might deem credence to what they believe is a "fanciful" story.
It would be nice to have such input which might show some common ancestry.

There are more ways to determine DNA than a blood test, eg. saliva or taking swabs of the cheeks to compare the New World Savoies to the House of Savoy.
Does anyone know of a sympathetic CIA operative?

There is info online about Pierre LeJeune's "Mikmaq" wife perhaps NOT
being Mikmaq after all, following some DNA studies. I don't know how
reliable the studies were--a long-used original Acadian document seems
to show Pierre's wife as "Mikmaq" so that has always been the source
used. I once googled those discussions--someone else here may
know exactly where to find the DNA test info and the "Mikmaq" controversy.

Regarding the origin of Catherine Lejeune.
I have been in contact with the head of the "Mother of Acadia" project.
Those who have had their mtDNA tested who are decendants * Matriarchal line* from Catherine Lejeune have U6a7 Haplotype. Which means that whomever Catherine's mother was, she was of European origin....not Native American. Sorry...* I also find this disapointing as she is one of my ancestors as well and I thought I had finally proven Native Heritage....)

http://www.acadian-home.org/frames.html

I have found this whole discussion fascinating. Since Germain Savoie is also in my bloodline, it would be fun to know for sure, although it realistically would have very little impact on our lives, other than bragging rights. Still, that would be some bragging rights, wouldn't it?? I'll be back again to check for more updates. Wish I had an answer to offer, or a new thread to tug.

francois savoie is known to be descended from the house of savoy

im also a descendant of germain savoie

@joshua redikerCool! There are probably a lot of us out there, some French Canadian families were huge!

my great grandfather was french canadian and his family really huge

punch in ancestry.it and in the search engin write francois de savoy they have a lot of familiy trees saying that he was born in italy

This is in response to Renee Boudreau's post of 3/13. Mitochondrial DNA indicates the maternal haplotype. It was Catherine Lejeune's father, Francois Joseph, who was the Mi'kMaq. Her mother's identity is not known.

I am related many times over to Francois Savoie through both my mother and my father's lineage. I would love to see this question about his ties to the House of Savoy answered.

Joanne, that is the first I have heard of Catherine's father being Mi'kMaq.....is there a website or source?
~Renee

Joanne, also, Catherine's Husband was also Francois Joseph....could there be a mix up? Just curious....

also-all info I have found say she was born in France....

and on many trees- her father is down as PIERRE dit Briard LeJeune, not Francois Joseph.....

Catherine's father
Pierre LeJeune dit Briard, I being the Catherine's mother
DNA argument of an unknown mother with Mik Maq origins that has been disputed. Some indicate she may be of French and African mix rather than Native American Mik Maq, ie. Creole perhaps? IDK.

I have never seen anything abour her father being Francois Joseph, but rather her husband, the alleged "Prince" illegitimate son of Tomas Francesco di Savoia. (or someone. lol)
As for whoever Catherine's father is, it is VERY possible that he is of French origin as in birth but was one of those settlers who assimilated into a Metis culture as so many French did in Canada. He may have been "culturally" Indian but I have doubts on DNA. It is the unnamed mother that is the most controversial for Catherine's ancestry and the source of debate as her mother is said to be either the daughter or granddaughter of Henri Membertou, the great Mik Maq chieftain, 1st Native American convert to Christianity in the upper North American continent (obviously excluding Jesuit missionary work in Mexico and South America-I did say UPPER North America.)
That tie is pretty important but cannot really be proven I guess.

Jeanne Kagigoniac, Mi'kmaq

Somehow my post changed the order of my sentences. the link to Catherine's mother is at bottom of post. It should have linked just before I said "being the Catherines' mother" typos disregard. thanks.

There are two Catherine Lejeunes in my family tree. I apologize. I was remarking about the wrong one (married Jean Comeau). I have Catherine Lejeune's parents (married Francois Hebert) as unknown. It certainly is disputed. Pierre Lejeune dit Briart was thought to perhaps be her brother. In any case I do suggest you check out this site:

http://brasdorfirstnation.com/The_Lejeune_Mikmaq_Family.php

@Prince Francis Savoie?

I just joined this site today and am an mtDNA U6a direct descendent of Catherine Lejeune and Francois Savoie. What an exciting discussion!! I had no idea I could be descended from such a famous lineage..then again, it might explain that inner hint of arrogance..LOL. So now I can humbly and openly admit that I have fantasized that someday I would discover I was related to Eleanor of Aquitaine, who, in my perspective, is every bit as cool and incredible a woman as Cleopatra. So now a Bourbon line connection? Whew..what an amazing thought! This reminds me of the black Thomas Jefferson offspring who, generation after generation, passed down the oral knowledge of their ancestry but had to wait for a willing white Jefferson cousin and the science of DNA confirmation...and what a happy ending that story had (at least for Sally Heming's offspring) !

It is hard to fathom the number of their descendants in Canada and in the U.S. I imagine that, if Francois was denied somehow, perhaps even paid to go away, what an ironic twist that he would create, over many generations, a population large enough to inhabit a small country. Tell me he hasn't had at least a good chuckle. Feudal yet futile:)