warning! - please stop collaboration

Roy, It sounds great in practice, but what do you do when people do not respond? I have issues with a husband and wife. He has not been on since January I think and she hasn't been on since December. Blocking my merges with my close relatives (1st five generations). If you merge with someone and the info is not correct, change it. One of my pet peeves although it is mostly cosmetic, is putting titles and nicknames in the name fields. Another is maiden names for men.

NOT COLLABORATING IS NOT THE ANSWER. the answer is to be a little more careful. everyday i run in to locked profiles or privacy settings that prevent merging or adding to the tree. if you are on the tree you should not expect privacy. the tree is so much bigger than all of us could ever expect to know but we are all connected to this tree so in a sense it is our tree. my 20th ggfather is a grandfather to millions of other people. keep collaborating and keep merging & eliminating duplicates & moving obvious duplicates, it will all work out. when others cannot add to a tree or complete a merge it destroys their efforts by creating incredible frustration. on the quarles portion of the tree we have at least 3 different opinions of what the line should be. even when we know additional generations they cannot be added w/o sending a note & wait for a reply in order to simply extend the tree. the line has settings set so no one can do anything without creating a duplicate line and just go around the locked line. this privacy thing has to stop. this is not facebook. when i get on the tree i want to get real work done. accomplish something. and for what its worth i believe others also just want to accomplish something. this work is all for our grandchildren anyway.
keep going forward. mistakes can always be corrected. in fact i have a big list of mistakes.

eldon,
if geni would create a place for these titles / marriages & notes on the first info box we would have a convenient place to add these titles & notes. most do not want to go to each profile to add this information. it really slows you down.
i would like to see that original dialog box redesigned. i would also in line with this redesign like to see birth names only for tree view. married names are meaningless w/o additional information. can you imagine a "mrs john savage"
there are dozens of people named john savage in one line, let alone others.
i think we should not use the title mrs. it does not carry specific information that helps you follow down the line. in fact it hinders the line.

I agree except I believe titles can go in the suffix line The whole entry page should be known so you dint have to click on links. I also think it is hilarious that if you are not careful, you can have people born or dying in say the fifteen hundreds in the United Kingdom. You better know what places were named in those days and how to get around Genie's insistence in using modern location names

I also think generic words like "living" and "unknown" should be flagged and not saved until the subscriber gives more information. I have notes with my Ancestry.com tree. But I don't understand why it wasn't transferred to Geni. Geni certainly transferred my pictures, at least I'm pretty sure that's how Geni got these pictures. Correct me if I'm wrong.

About 150 years of my family went missing for the 15 years I was sleuthing because Ancestry did not recognize certain county names in the Tidewater area of Virginia until recently, when they modified the search to adjacent counties. Go figger. Add to the fact that Virginia shires morphed into several different county names within a 200 year period.

I think titles in front of first names and in the last name is really awful. It makes it harder to "match" with already merged trees. I have been working through the Plantagenet mess and have been moving the titles out of the first and last names like "Sir Knight John / 1st Earl of Such-N-Such / Plantagenet of Cornwall" It's really unnecessary. It should read John Plantagenet, Knight of Cornwall, 1st Earl of Such-N-Such.

I've been doing this as I work through the Plantagenet line, but I do notice that others also working in there keep adding in a display name, but it is confusing especially if there are 2 John Plantagenets of 2 different generations erroneously merged under the same father. I have to keep fixing it so I can merge the correct people and detach incorrect people...and match them to the correct parents later.

I find if I do it this way, then those that working through the Plantagenet tree and merging are actually merging the RIGHT people because I've taken the display names out and used the titles in the suffixes.

Private User another name peeve of mine is if someone lives in France why would their name be "English or Spanish" LOL For instance I've seen Pierre typed in as Peter as well as Marie-Catherine typed in as Maria Catalina.

A French mom would not have named her child that...

Mimi, You can chalk that up to a lack of knowledge.Same thing with Spanish names John for Juan etc. My issues could be solved by proper programing

I agree wholeheartedly, as long as you know that the info that you are changing is in more of a correction, rather that having someone on your tree coming back at you and threatening you wit a lawsuit (a cousin of mine was going to try that if I didn't take his families info off of my tree, which is absolutely absurd), because you have put the wrong info on or they are too important to take part in their family history.
If some has a problem, I have decided I will just not join them to my tree/delete them.
As for titles, I believe they should be left at the end of a name, such as Elizabeth II, Queen of England, or Elizabeth Windsor, Queen of England. Why would people want to anglicize given names? That is the name that they were born with (for instance the Norwegian name Gudbrand is anglicized Gilbert). His name wasn't Gilbert in Norway, and he never came to the U.S. or Canada, so if they didn't come to North America and change their given name themselves, I wouldn't change their names just to make them more English.

roy i agree but have to disagree about removing them from the tree. if they belong on the tree they should be there. disagreeable or not. you don't choose your relatives.

I am sorry, but twice I have been threatened by a couple of relatives with a lawsuit if I did not take their information off of Geni. I agree that they should be on the tree, but wit people so worried these days about people stealing identities, personal info, etc, I am not going to put myself in the spot of having myself sued because some cousin, close or distant having an ego problem, and think that they are so important/narciscistic that they feel that their identity will be stolen, and come after me.

@Roy

What you CAN do is use initials for your relatives' first and middle names. In private notes, you can mention they do not want to participate in the family tree project online. That is what I've done for the few family members who do not wish to be "online."

Rob, sorry they don't understand the importance of this research, I'd do what Mimi suggested, using the first and middle initials. I have inlaws like that. They won't speak to me as if I am searching for some way to infiltrate their little world. Then again they have millions so maybe that is their fear. Who knows.

Are we still not collaborating with METEB?

I received a request to merge and collaboration request from METEB today. I looked at the profile that was to be compared and I can't read it because it's in Bulgarian or Russian.

Mimi :
there is also his brother.
http://www.geni.com/people/%D0%92%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%...

Hi, have you tried using the Google translator, it is part of the Google toolbar

Martin Eriksen that is the one. I'm just going to keep them on my do-not-collaborate-with mental note.

Private User, it's hard to translate names. If it's not Anglican or Latin I can't even recognize it. At least with Latin or Anglican or even German they can at least be identified...

Catherine de Francais/Katalina av Franca/Katherine of France at least look similar and you can tell they are possibly the same person. If it was written in Arabic, Russian and Chinese, I wouldn't be able to tell.

Post deleted by Private User on Aug 19, 2010 at 7:33 AM

wow there is some pretty strong sentiment on lalu's page. i am sorry we couldnt come to a compromise. so when did noah become president of geni ^U^

You asked "so when did noah become president of geni ^U^"

http://forum.geni.com/topic.php?id=66591

Thanks David. You manage a lot of profiles I've come across lately. So, it's good to know. However, the brother kind of "scares" me because I'm not sure if he'll be making changes like his brother did???

His "brother" is just him using a different profile to get access to Geni after he was kicked off.

Do we know who this is??
Борис Борисов Станимиров, Jr.:
http://www.geni.com/people/%D0%91%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81-%D0%A1%D1...

Thanks Shmuel. LOL What a creep! I'll just keep them blocked then.

Private User I have no idea who that is.

I found also him Private User
Example of his work: Sara Kopland Williams Name is changed from:
"Sara Kopland Morten" to "Сара Копланд Мортън". This "тън" part of the last name explains that he tries to wrote names just according to Bulgarian grammar/style. Most of other Slavic/Cyrillic languages are using "ъ" very rarely nowadays.

Is the profile number changed for Лалю Метев ?
Here is no reference to this discussion at his profile.

For testing purposes I un-blocked him and now I'm unable to block him again. The link/button part is missing (exsisting are just Friend and Family Invitation links).

Geni deleted his link again!
1) Лалю Метев
2) http://www.geni.com /people /Лалю-Метев /372003199390012404
3) Лалю Метев

Lauri,
you can't block him, because that profile is no longer claimed. This is a good thing. :-)