ATTENTION Curators, please assist

Eldon, I believe that even if Master Profiles are locked you can still suggest merges by stacking and then it goes to the merge inbox of the curator to complete the merge. At least that's how I understand it. I've received a number of merge requests today for locked profiles and I've completed them. It's very helpful for mergers to do that. This locking just adds a level of protection that ensures that that the merge should not be finalized unless someone approves who has studied the situation well . Does that make sense?

Apparently there may be some kind of mix up or miss merged profiles.

Joan de la Warre

The "About Me" data lists information about a Joan de la Warr, dau. of Roger de la Warr and Eleanor Mowbray, who married Ralph de Willington and Sir Thomas West, the profile name is for a different person and the "Nicknames" have listings for both of these different people.

The profile name, Joan FitzAlan is connected to and is the dau. of John FitzAlan and Eleanor Maltraver, who married William Etchingham/Eychingham, she is also connected to two other spouses, one of which belongs to Joan de la Warr (Thomas West) the other (William de Brian), may or may not be correct for this Joan FitzAlan.

Thomas West that is connected to this Joan FitzAlan is also connected to his correct wife Joan de la Warr.

I am connected through co-management of Reginald West child of Joan and Thomas West, and Thomas Etchingham, Jane Echingham (which may or may not be the correct dau.).

I had profiles for William Echingham and Joan FitzAlan, but they don't seem to be in with them or stacked, don't know where they are.

Carole, I don't have time to take a look at this until maybe tomorrow evening, but it definitely sounds like an area in which several people have been mistakenly merged together. Hopefully I or one of the other curators can attack it soon and try to get it straightened out. Do as much as you can. We just need to decide who she's going to be and then create the best profile for that person, and make sure that the detached links to the wrong relatives get connected to another profile for the other Joan.

Pamela, Yes it makes sense and that is just what I wanted to know. Now when I see a master profile, if a merge to it looks good, I can do the merge.

Carole ... there were at least two different people merged together, I began the process of separating them out. There are two separate Joan's now. There are still a lot of grandparent, parent, children, grandchildren, etc. issues ... the whole area is in disarray.

Ok here is an example where the daughter and wife is the same in the Master Profile
http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000003897575103?return=merge_...

What do you want us to do in this case??

Post deleted by Angus Wood Salomon on Sep 21, 2010 at 7:30 AM

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Here is a pic ..link isn't working.

I would appreciate if one of the curators could take up the tree of Gengis khan. He was one of the most prominent warriors of the middle ages and it is said one out of 200 people from middle Asia are his descendent's.

The tree is a total mess. I dont have the rights/ tools to rectify it but can assist any curator who so desires.

http://www.geni.com/tree/index/375784306260002721

The following profile is a piece of junk and needs to be deleted

Christopher

I have another instance where my fingers have acted in opposition to what my brain is telling me. I've mistakenly stacked Elizabeth Staffords, and need someone to unstack them for me:

Elizabeth de Stafford

The issue is the placement of Sir Humphrey Stafford in her immediate family. One profile has him as brother, and another as father. I had meant to mark them as being different profiles for that reason until that issue could be resolved, but fingers betray.

I've noticed a lot of innovations in the merging process recently. Is there anyway that there can be an "Undo" button put on so that we can correct these sorts of mistakes (and avoid generating the inevitable territorial "please don't work on this section of the tree" responses that result)? Or perhaps there already is in place a procedure that I'm not aware of that doesn't involve sending messages like this?

Many apologies, meanwhile.

Post deleted by Bjørn P. Brox on Sep 21, 2010 at 10:14 AM

David, - this Christopher is not even connected, so just look another way, but I agree that the name of the parents made me laugh.

Bjorn, I noticed that as well, but I just hate to see such trash in the database.

Ben
Here's my work around for the lack of an "undo" feature (which I also endorse).

View the profile in the tree
Select "edit" on the bottom of the profile box
Select the "Relationships" tab at the top, scroll to the bottom
Select and "remove" the incorrect relationships

They "undo button" is a great idea, I have to admit that I have hit merge and as the page is waiting to change noticed that I had made a mistake. A "Undo Button" is easier than spending a lot of time "fixing" something that only took a click to mess up!!!

I hope a curator or anyone familiar with the Stewart line can sort out this cross-generational entanglement: http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000000307262542?return=contin...

If you expand the Sister Of section on the profile on the left, you'll see that her brother (Sir John Stewart 2nd Earl of Atholl) is the father of the profile on the right. Which is correct? We should be able split the incorrect relation.

Post deleted by Carole (Erickson) Pomeroy, Vol. Curator on Sep 22, 2010 at 11:16 AM

Thank You Gene and Ann for taking the time on Joan de la Warre.

I seem to be jumping around trying to deal with a lot of profiles that have been miss merged, it gets some what confusing and I am not sure if I am getting back to the one I started sorting out.

There seems to be a rash of bad merges, I hope they start locking profiles, so just one person can do the merges.

Does anyone have an opinion about William le Scrope's father?
Sir William le Scrope 1245
In the big tree we have his father as William le Scrope, this the same as thepeerage.com
http://www.thepeerage.com/p38066.htm#i380654
But, Medlands has his father as Henry, which is his grandfather in thepeerage.
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3P-S.htm#_To... (a little bit past the middle of the document)
Any suggestions?

Dear Carole,

'No Name' husband of William Hastings.

As manager of this odd profile (I don't know how or when it got added!) I have disconnected 'No Name' from parents and husband, and deleted the profile. I'm sorry if this caused any headaches.

@Ric Dickinson re. William le Scrope. First, thank you for your question and for providing great links to all the relevant sites. After looking at all of these, my judgment is to trust the MedLands and go with Henry and Juliana as his parents. The only source given for the Peerage.com insertion of this additional generation of William (with no dates, no wife, no info at all) is an *email* written by Tim Boyle to Darryl Lundy. IMHO, this is pretty weak supporting evidence (especially since we can't even see the email to know what the argument may have been). On the other hand, we know that MedLands/FMG is extremely well researched and is, in fact, the best authority I know on these medieval family relationships.

So if you can reconfigure the tree to make William the son of Henry, please do so. If you can't, then let me know and I'll work on it.

Thanks! Pam

Ric, Carol, Ben and others working on these English families with French surnames (le Scrope, de Neville, Beauchamp, etc)--they are Anglo Norman families, and I invite you to join the new Anglo-Norman Families project. I've created a Geni wiki page at http://wiki.geni.com/index.php/Anglo-Norman_Families--NEW and I would like for you to add your names and the families you work on in this area under "Project Members and Their Interests"; we also have a separate discussion board for these at http://www.geni.com/discussions/show/6000000009977972454?msg=600000...

Thanks, and maybe there we can get a more focused discussion going about these interrelated families.

Ric, Pam, after looking at some other online sources I'm not so sure that Henry & Juliana were his parents, as far as the other sources they were his grandparents and his father was also called William.

Thank You Robert Turner

'No Name' husband of William Hastings. You could of just disconnected her from being married to her other profile Catherine Neville, then she could of been merged with Catherine.

Pam, thank you for your help, much appreciated! I think I am inclined to agree with you, the only source I can showing William's father as William instead of Henry is thepeerage. I am sure I am able to make the correction if all agree.

Ofir, have you came across any further evidence that William was William's father, besides thepeerage?

And Pam, thank you for the invite. I saw your earlier post and I will add my name to the list now.

@Ric -- I should also have added that of course the discrepancy between the various sources should also be noted and that a rationale should be provided for why a decision was made to select one parent over another. I might also do further research to see if Keats-Rohan or another scholar has done any writing on the issue of whether there was actually an additional generation of William Scrope; another place to check would be the GEN-MEDIEVAL discussion list archives, which is a very good source for discussions of controversies like this.

Excellent suggestions, I will be sure to note the discrepancies. And I was not aware of GEN-MEDEVAL. Very cool! Thanks, and I'll keep you abreast of my findings and actions.

How to Search the GEN-MEDIEVAL Archives:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~medieval/arch.htm

Happy hunting!

Thanks Pam! I've used a different link for years. This one is much better.