Odin - source separation?

Started by Harald Alvestrand on Wednesday, October 13, 2010

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10/13/2010 at 3:47 PM

I am having trouble just now with what to do with Odin, of whom many, inconsistent, stories are told.

It seems that Njord and Frøy have at least one set of profiles that follow Ynglingesoga closely - but this Odin profile seems to merge many stories into itself.

Should I just break the connection to the Ynglingesoga tree and create an "Odin (Ynglingesoga)" profile, which can be made consistent with that story?

(Cool picture, though!)

10/13/2010 at 4:04 PM

If you really want my sincere opinion, Harald (which you probably don't want :-9 ) I think these ole norse gods should be removed from Geni. This is not genealogy, this is fables and fairytales (or worse). I really don't like profiles like these in a genalogical site. Gods doesn't have anything to do with genealogy. But i also know that my opinion will be disregarded in this case, too bad, because my only wish is a genealogical database that is as correct as possible.

I can agree to keep Snorres sagas on Geni, except where he goes into the gods, it really should stop before we get into divinity. The next thing showing up on Geni is probably children born by alien abductees, and their green men ancestry......

10/13/2010 at 4:09 PM

just one litle historical thing to think about :

as the story goes,Odin came from eastern eruope or syria.
if you take the books,and follow his tracks in time.
his travels,brings you back in to Israel.
if you then look at maps dated back to around 1200,you will find 2 town`s in the old land under the names of :
ASIRAGARD.

some thing to think about ;-)

10/13/2010 at 4:31 PM

Remi, yes, we've discussed this before - my goal with the "god-work" is to establish what's written in the sources, separate from what generations of amateur genalogists and decades of Internet imagineers have layered on top of it. I don't think we can keep them off as long as the sources seem so obvious to so many - so let's make the best of it.

Martin, I've already cut links from Yngvi-Frey to a (quite historical) king of northern Turkey - there are many fascinating possibilities, but I don't want to use them to establish links. Documentation is everything..... and the 1200s were probably some 600 years after the time of the historical Odin (if any).

10/13/2010 at 4:41 PM

:-)

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10/13/2010 at 7:35 PM

YGGDRASIL

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10/13/2010 at 7:38 PM

sounds like...'the odyssey' ~ Welsh

10/14/2010 at 12:19 AM

Odin, translates to old turkish meanes overking, or king of kings, so the question must be if he was in fact a leader or chieftain, or a God.
The problem is the complete lack of documentation with excception of Snorri's saga.
The interesting fact is that Kaukasus, was the melting pot for many of the humans on the european map, and asian map. DNA samples are prove of that. However I am also skeptical of claims of being a decedenst of Odin, based on lack of documentation.
The ultimate question is if we will accept Snorri's saga as historical fact. something in betweeen, or just fiction. i believe there ar lot of historical fact. Helge Ingstad used Snorri's sage to find Vinland.

10/14/2010 at 12:20 AM

Odin, translates to old turkish meanes overking, or king of kings, so the question must be if he was in fact a leader or chieftain, or a God.
The problem is the complete lack of documentation with excception of Snorri's saga.
The interesting fact is that Kaukasus, was the melting pot for many of the humans on the european map, and asian map. DNA samples are prove of that. However I am also skeptical of claims of being a decedenst of Odin, based on lack of documentation.
The ultimate question is if we will accept Snorri's saga as historical fact. something in betweeen, or just fiction. i believe there ar lot of historical fact. Helge Ingstad used Snorri's sage to find Vinland.

10/14/2010 at 12:35 AM

Actually it was Grønlendingsaga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saga_of_the_Greenlanders) and the saga of Erik the Red (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eir%C3%ADks_saga_rau%C3%B0a) that was Ingstad's source for finding the Viking encampment at l'Anse aux Meadows - there are many sagas, some more fanciful than others, and not all of them are written by Snorri.

There's a long discussion of the etymology of Odin at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wodanaz - old Turkish is not mentioned. A nice critique of the drawing of such linkages is in Wikipedia's note on Thor Heyerdahl's search for Odin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakten_p%C3%A5_Odin

It's so easy to find support for theories.....

10/14/2010 at 12:59 AM

Thanks for the correction :)

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