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Important Thomas - may be in wrong place

Started by Ned Reynolds on Saturday, November 27, 2010

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11/27/2010 at 10:04 AM

This Thomas is shown as son of Christopher Tillman Reynolds and Charissa Huntington, with only a very sketchy bit of evidence in his "About Me" to support this; his dates and other details dont line up with listings Ive seen of their 'other' son Thomas; I think he may belong somewhere else but I cant figure out where; he is shown as ancestor of the Phippens/FitzPens, that you have done some work on, so I am hoping you have some evidence that shows whether or not he belongs as a son of CTR/CHR.

Thomas Reynolds, of Gravesend

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11/27/2010 at 7:19 PM

Maybe the problem is the legendary daughter Cecily the Flirt, who has many different records on her origins:

Cecily Reynolds

Christopher Reynolds arrived on the "John & Francis" in 1622.

MYTHS ABOUND: Some researchers have assumed her name was Greene because there was a Cecily Greene listed in "Hakluyt's List of Immigrants to Virginia" before 1624. The most popular myth of all is that she was Cecily Reynolds, daughter of Thomas Reynolds and Cecily Phippen (Fitzpen) and sister of Christopher Reynolds, arriving in America in 1610 with her mother and brother.

"The problem with the theory of Cecily being Thomas Reynolds and Cecily Phippen's daughter Cecily was that the most plausable records place her birth circa 1575-1586 with a death date as early as 1610-20 ...

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So ... I'll see if I can find "Hakluyt's List of Immigrants to Virginia" before 1624 anywhere. I should also find a ship manifest for the "John & Francis" in 1622.

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11/27/2010 at 11:38 PM

Ned,

So far I agree that Thomas Reynolds ll is NOT a validated son of Christopher Tillman Reynolds and Charissa Huntington.

http://www.genfiles.com/reynolds/Christopher%20Reynolds%20Family.htm

Should we break the relationship until we can match him up better? It definitely screws up the time lines.

Also a suggestion in general: maybe we should use the suffix field for place names such as "of Isle of Wight." The roman numerals get confusing when names repeat in different branches.

11/28/2010 at 5:47 AM

I agree that we should break the relationship until we have better information showing him a son of CTR and CH;

There is one very thin thread to a possible explanation in this file: http://www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/b714.htm#P66725 that shows that Christopher Reynolds and Elizabeth George had one child, a Thomas, who was married to Cicely Phippen; that would be interesting if CTR had a second wife and through her a second Thomas (though, why would CTR name a second child "Thomas"?);

We have no other information on CTR's marriage with Eliz George; if this thread doesnt pan out, I wonder if they were actually married.

I suspect the link comes from this same file above (Harmons), which has lots of poor/contradictory data, but some good data mixed in as well.

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11/28/2010 at 9:42 AM

And there are many GEDCOM uploads based on the Harmons site, I believe.

I renamed Thomas to "of Gravesend," "disinherited him" from CTR/CH, and will try to pursue the Phipps / Pearce connection.

I don't know early VA naming practices well enough but in early New England, first names were recycled as children died. So two sons named "Thomas" would not have been uncommon there and then.

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11/28/2010 at 10:16 AM

I looked more closely at the Harmon's reference:

Thomas REYNOLDS was born in 1575 in Melcombe, Dorsetshire, England. He died after 1604 in ..England. Parents: Christopher REYNOLDS and Elizabeth GEORGE.

Spouse: Cicely PHIPPEN. Cicely PHIPPEN and Thomas REYNOLDS were married on 10 March 1593 in Melcombe, Dorsetshire, England. Children were: Cecily REYNOLDS, Christopher REYNOLDS Jr..

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My understanding is that parish records in parts of England are in remarkably good shape. Worth trying to investigate?

10 March 1593 in Melcombe, Dorsetshire, England.

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