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11/28/2010 at 11:24 AM
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Hello and good evening. My question is, can a user can be 'forced' into collaboration against his/her will? I'm writing because at this point I'm so enraged that I consider leaving everything in here behind. A little explanation..
But here is the thing:
Now I have 5000 + ancestors/blood relatives,
So how come ?
So I ask, can curators, or collaborators of people i collaborate with, go in and edit in/ merge my profiles without my permission? / Marc Møldrup Andersen |
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11/28/2010 at 1:24 PM
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11/28/2010 at 1:35 PM
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11/28/2010 at 1:51 PM
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Erik,
You, Marc, or anybody else really, can't be part of the shared tree on Geni, but also say you can't touch these historical profiles of mine. That would be like being "half pregnant". |
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Private User
11/28/2010 at 3:06 PM
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Hi Shmuel,
But let me try to explain certain things.. First, this page: ( http://www.geni.com/help/privacy?simple=true ) , told me that only my collaborators, or some curator would be able to edit public profiles of mine. As I already knew my collaborators, the large merging therefore "had to" be the work of a curator. Second, to become part of the 'big tree' was never something I asked to benefit from, but when that happened anyways, it was not like I had any chance to cut the connection again.
Third, I also know, that noone in here intentionally try to ruin the work of others, but "historically incompent" / very naive persons might do so anyways without knowing it themselves. and fourth, I actually wouldn't mind collaborating with other people, and share management of my historical ancestors now, if just it happened under safe conditions. Thereby said that administration of historical profiles (curator work), should be for qualified persons only. ie. historicans, who knows what they are doing, and whom are able to distinguish between fact and fiction, and not some group of self proclaimed 'experts',
I'm sure It would be possible to track down some real historicans who uses geni too, and who could clean up all this mess. After all, if It had been a surgery, would anyone ever dare handing over the scalpel to an unqualified person? |
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Private User
11/28/2010 at 5:57 PM
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Hello, Marc. I don't know you and don't believe that I have ever come across any profiles that you manage, so I am not entirely sure of what area of the shared Geni tree your profiles are in. I am just writing to say that, as one of the original curators (like Shmuel), I can attest that the team of curators has been selected based on their reputation as consistently careful and accurate users and collaborators on Geni, vetted by a team of their peers. I know of no curator who could be described as one of "some group of self proclaimed 'experts', who's [whose] only purpose seems to be uniting the entire world in one big tree at any costs (ei. inventing the missing links, creating fake birth/ death dates)!" Curators may not all be scholars and historians (though some of us have advanced degrees in history and related fields), but curators are committed to ensuring the historical facticity of the Geni tree as far as can be determined, and we are committed to finding and supporting the most well-researched versions of various family trees whenever there is a controversy about relationships. We do not create fake names or dates. We see our role as collecting, collating, melding together where there is overlap, verifying, noting discrepancies, documenting, creating narrative information, and so on. Our goal is to create or designate one single master profile for each historical person. We curators are GREATLY appreciative of researchers like yourself who have already done much of this work--finding well-researched and -documented genealogical information is such a delight as we sludge through so much poorly-researched material that has just been blindly copied from the internet. So, all this to say that we are on YOUR side and that we want to work with you, and others like you, to collaboratively develop an entire tree that is (as much as humanly possible based upon existing historical records) verified and documented. But please be patient and give us time. This is a huge undertaking, and while we have been able to merge hundreds of thousands of duplicate profiles in the past few months, there is much work ahead in the verification and master profile building process. Anything that you can contribute to that process we will be grateful for, and it is likely that good solid public profiles such as those you describe will become the master profiles that can serve as models for all others. So I recommend that you find a curator who works in the same area of the tree that you do, then work with him or her to designate those master profiles so they can be better protected. You might even want to become part of a project as a project collaborator, which will give you additional merging and editing privileges on profiles that are part of the project. Thanks for sharing your concerns, and I look forward to hearing about the good work being done on your side of the Geni family tree. Pam |