Possible Parent conflict for George Brewer Sr.
Started by Angus Wood Salomon on Saturday, January 8, 2011
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1/8/2011 at 9:13 AM
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Here is a message from Sherry Houy to me
I am writing about this profile (you are the curator): Do you have any documentation showing that George is the child of Elizabeth Rice and John Brewer? I have heard from another user who does not think they are his parents. She has found extensive documentation for 9 of the children shown, but George is not one of them. Additionally, since George was born in VA, and Elizabeth and John lived in MA, it really does not appear that they were his parents. I would appreciate any help you can give me on this. Thanks! |
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1/8/2011 at 9:15 AM
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William Chandler Lanier Jr.
I have locked down the profile and those around it until we sort it out. |
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1/8/2011 at 9:32 AM
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1/8/2011 at 9:42 AM
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1/8/2011 at 4:05 PM
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Ok this is mostly directed to Ethel
Had two wives,
The other
IS THIS CORRECT?? Sarah's children were
Alice's Burwell's children are
We need to verify this.. |
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1/8/2011 at 4:20 PM
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Carole (Erickson) Pomeroy, Vol. Curator
I am contacting you as the curator of John Brewer's profile of which I am the main manager. HELP I was contacted by one of the other manager's about the extra children listed for John and Elizabeth (Rice) Brewer, I myself had only entered John as the husband of Elizabeth Rice, but after doing some searching have found more information. It seemed to me that there are two different John Brewers that have been merged together as the information that was listed on his about me section did not match the dates and places for the actual profile. (I have since added information and sources at the top of his about me section). It is also a possibilty that John Brewer III's father his also been miss merged. Would you be able to help separate the two John's and children? The original profile is for John Brewer b. in Cambridge, Nov. 8, 1642 who was the son Brewer, Capt. John, of Cambridge, Mass., (probably son of Joanna.) and his 1st wife Ann. Capt. John Brewer also married 2nd Mary Whitmore.
The other John as listed John Brewer III , son of John & Anne (Reed) Brewer , b. 1635/1640, Isle of Wight Co., VA; d. 1705/1718, Isle of Wight Co., VA. It is not known whom he married. He had children, 1. George Brewer , b. 1670, Isle of Wight , VA ; d. Jul 1744, Brunswick Co., VA. 2. Peter Brewer , b. ca. 1662, Isle of Wight , VA. 3. Horace Brewer , b. ca. 1668, Isle of Wight , VA. 4. William Brewer , b. 1681, Isle of Wight , VA. 5. James Brewer , b. 1683, Isle of Wight , VA. 6. Nicholas Brewer , b. ca. 1687, Isle of Wight , VA. 7. John Brewer , b. ca. 1689, Isle of Wight , VA ; d. 5 Jul 1735, Lancaster Co., VA. 8.Henry Brewer , b. ca. 1691, Isle of Wight , VA. It is him and the children that need to be removed, probably another profile will need to be made for him to attach the children to. As you can see the information for one John lists him as being born in a different state and year. I have posted a couple of sources with information on his profile that is correct, the other posted information that lists the other children did not match up with the dates and place that ours was listed on the actual profile, I did not delete it as it should be posted with a correct profile of John. Thank you for any help you can give. Ethel Johanna Myers
Dear Carole, I am contacting you about this profile: John Brewer, II I am concerned about the proliferation of children who do not belong in the family of John Brewer III and Elizabeth Rice. I agree on the following children: Lt John, Elizabeth, Hannah, James, Sarah, Mary, Abigail, Martha, and Jonathan. I disagree on the following 7 names: Horace Brewer
I do not know where they belong, but
I hope you will consider changing these attachments.
Sincerely, Ethel Johanna Myers
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1/8/2011 at 5:07 PM
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Post deleted by Carole (Erickson) Pomeroy, Vol. Curator on Dec 15, 2011 at 1:32 PM |
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1/8/2011 at 6:21 PM
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1/8/2011 at 6:43 PM
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Post deleted by Carole (Erickson) Pomeroy, Vol. Curator on Dec 15, 2011 at 1:33 PM |
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1/8/2011 at 10:03 PM
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Post deleted by Carole (Erickson) Pomeroy, Vol. Curator on Dec 15, 2011 at 1:33 PM |
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1/9/2011 at 3:17 PM
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Ok here is what I figured out so far..So everyone please jump in <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Mass.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Wife
<<<<<<son>>>>>>
<<<<<Wife>>>>>
<<<<<2nd Wife>>>>>>
<<<<<<Daughter>>>>>>
John (1621-1684) Brewer
Wife of John (1621-1684) Brewer ???
1) The original profile is for John Brewer b. in Cambridge, Nov. 8, 1642 ,who was the son Brewer, Capt. John, of Cambridge, Mass., (probably son of Joanna.) and his 1st wife Ann. Capt. John Brewer also married 2nd Mary Whitmore
Wife of John Brewer III
2) John Brewer (the profile referenced) b. Nov. 8 1642 married Elizabeth Rice
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Virginia>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Mary (1565-1634) Grove
Show Daughter of Ralph Grove John L Brewer
3)The other John as listed John Brewer III , son of John & Anne (Reed) Brewer , b. 1635/1640, Isle of Wight Co., VA; d. 1705/1718, Isle of Wight Co., VA <<<<<<<<<<<Found Conflicts>>>>>>>>>>
Shows daughter in Mass.<<<<<<<removed>>>>>>>
Shows son in VA.
Shows son<<<<<<<Mass.>>>>>
Hannah Goble (Brewer)<<<<<<<Mass.>>>>
Shows Wife in Mass.
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1/9/2011 at 4:26 PM
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1/12/2011 at 5:30 AM
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Private User Sherry any further information regarding this?? You wrote....
George G. Brewer, Sr. Do you have any documentation showing that George is the child of Elizabeth Rice and John Brewer? I have heard from another user who does not think they are his parents. She has found extensive documentation for 9 of the children shown, but George is not one of them. Additionally, since George was born in VA, and Elizabeth and John lived in MA, it really does not appear that they were his parents. I would appreciate any help you can give me on this. Thanks! |
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1/12/2011 at 9:55 PM
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I am almost completely certain that there were 2 John Brewers; one who settled in MA and the other in VA - and both of their fathers were also named John. Please first look at this site: http://www.edmund-rice.org/era5gens/p6.htm#i1318 Scroll down to the 1st John, just after Joel. You will be able to jump around at will after that. Then look at the revisions page for John Brewer III:
It appears that there were 2 separate John Brewers (one the III, the other a Capt. and a II) until a short while ago. I found many sites that confuse/merge the 2 separate John Brewers, so how the mistake was made is easily understood. The two men have quite similar information, too - same father's name, perhaps same mother's name, birth and death dates quite close. However, each lived in 2 separate states (colonies) that were not adjacent. Neither moved to the other state. Anyway, Ethel is correct in identifying the children of John of MA; the others do not belong to John of MA and Elizabeth Rice. In addition, Elizabeth Rice did not marry John of VA. As to the other children mentioned, Green has already been moved to his/her correct parents (thanks, Denise). Ethel has entered extensive information about BOTH John Brewers on his combined page (thanks for all your work, Ethel) and the children of John VA are clearly shown:
I have also looked at various sources and found confirmation for most if not all of these. Here is one:
I propose separating the 2 John Brewers again. The Edmund Rice copyrighted site only shows the father for John MA; the last site (just above) shows quite a lot of ancestors for John VA. If no one has any objections, I will work on this next week - or sooner if I hear back from everyone. |
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1/12/2011 at 11:37 PM
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1/12/2011 at 11:49 PM
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Carole you said.
It maybe that his correct parents (John and Ann) were merged in and the information now is for the John Brewer who is parent to George, Henry, Peter, Horace, Nicholas and William. Although these children's names are listed with both families they seem to match up with John and Elizabeth (Rice) Brewer" Before we go any further according to this branch
John was from VA and Elizabeth Rice was from MA. Definitely incorrect marriage would you say? |
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1/13/2011 at 12:27 AM
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Ok check this
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1/13/2011 at 1:05 PM
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Elizabeth Rice was married to John Brewer of MA; she was not married to John Brewer of VA. I have found 1 site
John Brewer
It also says that his wife was unknown. John (1600)' parents were:
John (1565)'s father was Thomas Brewer Just to further complicate things,
says that there were 2 John Brewers in Ipswich, MA at the same time. This latter site has done extensive research. I found out about it through NEHGS, a site I trust completely. (Not that they can't have incorrect information, just that I know they require documentation.) |
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1/13/2011 at 1:08 PM
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Angus - I agree with you completely about showing where each person was from; it really helps. And I definitely like leaving the VA/MA on the profiles until we get this straightened out. Then curator notes and disambiguation notes should definitely be added to all relevant profiles (if you agree - you are their curator) :-) . |
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1/13/2011 at 1:42 PM
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Just to chime in -- the Edmund Rice Family Association is excellent. I used it to source out the Rice family, and they are spot on every time I checked against original sources such as Savage. Not the first time there's two with similar names / dates / places and yet a third in VA. The more disambiguation and detail, the better. |
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1/13/2011 at 7:51 PM
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Post deleted by Angus Wood Salomon on Jan 14, 2011 at 2:49 PM |
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1/13/2011 at 8:55 PM
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Post deleted by Angus Wood Salomon on Jan 14, 2011 at 2:47 PM |
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1/20/2011 at 7:00 AM
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1/20/2011 at 11:51 AM
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Thank you, Sherry! Just as a note on place name disambiguation. I am finding it very helpful -- and not too ugly! -- in the Suffix field. So for example: First Name: John
automatically generates a display name of:
which shows nicely in "tree" view. I would also of course use "curator notes" that have a brief summary: John ll Brewer, of VA (dates). Parents: xy & zz. Married 1, 3 children. Married 2: 4 children. Something like that. :) |
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1/21/2011 at 4:26 AM
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1/21/2011 at 5:43 AM
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1/21/2011 at 6:12 AM
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1/21/2011 at 6:21 AM
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Ah I wasn't explaining properly. I meant that in add record view you have a few options only for the suffix, but in edit profile view you can do anything. To me this seems correct: the quick add record should give you suggestions (the most frequently used in English -- I can't speak to other languages of course). This is a good thing for a new user. The more experienced user, working in profile view, "discovers" the editability, but by then they are (hopefully) familiar enough with geni to over ride sensibly. The single worst and most frequent naming problem I run into is the use of "Sir" as a first name. |
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1/21/2011 at 6:22 AM
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1/21/2011 at 10:40 AM
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Sherry I would love to do any BULL work that will help decrease any amount of time you spend on the computer, just message me with URLs and instructions. I will be driving to my daughter's early in the morning Saturday (6 hour drive) then I have some jobs in Toronto another hour away so I may be away from my computer most of the day. I will be monitoring all my notification emails on my Blackberry |
