Welles Profile Addition Suggestions

Then again ..... and unable to delete the above, I find a document stating literature claiming Thomas Welles' ancestry to be nobility is false.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wellsfam/genealgy/govwels2.html

"1. Thomas Welles has no known connection to an Essex family of Norman descent or to the family of Sir Lionel de Welles, Baron Welles, Governor of Ireland. He has no known connection to any of the Magna Charta sureties. Thomas Welles' ancestry in Warwickshire for four generations is documented by the court proceedings concerning the Burmington land which he inherited, and from the presence of a Robert Wellys, possibly his grandfather's father, on the tax rolls of Whichford in 1527. Though the family owned property and was able to educate Thomas in Latin, they are not known to be of noble or even gentle birth."

Sorry.

Hi Susan- please go ahead and add any Welles profiles that you can. And let us know if you'd like to join the project.

By the way, we are 12th cousins through the Welles branch!

Hi Noah and thanks. I don't personally have any Welles profiles to add, unless you are referring to Gov. Thomas' father Thomas. I may do that. I've had some recent correspondence with the FB Plantagenet folks and they tell me that the jury is yet out on whether there is a relation or not. I'm told that HRH the Queen believes the Welles-Plantagenet connection is real.

And nice to meet you 12th cousin. A FYI, as I don't like to misrepresent myself, I am an adoptee. I found my biological family due to the fact that that they all work in Fire/EMS, like my husband (and formerly myself), and they had worked together 187 years. My bio mom gave me info and I am in touch with my siblings and the family is helping me with this also. IOW, this is my BLOOD. As for my bloody (lol) adopted family, I am also working on their genealogy but they aren't receptive and could care less. This family is more fun anyway. ~:0) Gov. Thomas Welles Sr. is my 10th great-grandfather.

Hence, for the Welles connection to the Plantagenet and royals - the jury is yet out, I guess. I don't feel I have the authority or knowledge at present to acknowledge nor refute info. I'm here for the ride. Perhaps it's something the project will want to research. DNA research may be able to verify or deny also. I should check to see if FamilyTree has a project going.

Additional question - I was looking at the project information and the Plantagenets are connected on here. Does this group acknowledge the connection, or is it questionable?

I've removed the link from the project description from now, since it is questionable. Hopefully we'll all get to the bottom of it! Glad to hear you've been able to get in touch with your biological side, that is pretty neat!

I've been trying to do some research on the Plantagenet connection. So far, I can't find any research or anything other than a bunch of undocumented family trees that show this connection (geni.com being one of the undocumented sources for folks)

Would be very interested in what you heard about this. Seems we should thing really seriously about getting this documented or changing the relationships here on geni?

I misspoke, above- "Welles would be King Edward IV Plantagenet's great-grandfather, Cicely Plantagenet, his grandmother, Robert Welles his father." It should read that Welle's would be King Edward IV Plantagenet's great-grandson.

There is still significant bantering occurring regarding the legitimacy of this line. We are hashing through it in a Plantagenet Facebook group. At question is the legitimacy of Robert Welles, son of Cecily Plantagenet. And interesting twist is that Gov. TG Welles' great-granddaughter Prudence Goodrich Welles is a gateway ancestor to the Plantagenets via Goodrich to Norton to Susan Neville - Edward I "Longshanks", King of England is Susan NEVILLE's 6th great grandfather. Edward I "Longshanks", King of England is Susan NEVILLE's 6th great grandfather. Susan NEVILLE → Richard Nevile, 2nd Lord Latimer her father → Sir Henry Neville of Latimer his father
→ George Neville, 1st Baron Latimer his father → Joan BEAUFORT, Countess of Westmorland his mother → John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster her father → Edward III of England his father → Edward II of England his father → Edward I "Longshanks", King of England.