Naky Sarah Brown / Ward (Canoe)

Started by Bonnie Metcalf on Monday, July 18, 2011

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7/18/2011 at 2:54 PM

I find it very difficult to believe that this poor woman had 29 [listed] children! Is there any documentation for any of them?

Private User
7/18/2011 at 8:30 PM

Bonnie Metcalf

I added some documentation to the profile and I've been working on cleaning up the Ward children - apparently there were at least 13 of them, but not sure they're all Naky's children. When that's done I'll look at the Brown marriage and children. More input welcome.

7/19/2011 at 11:19 AM

I'm looking at it now.

7/19/2011 at 11:58 AM

Looking at the tree. There are only three private but they died in the 1800.

There is a S. Ward(female) that has no public counter part.

The two males are A Brown and E Ward that may match up with
Enoch ward ..and either Aaron or alex Sawney/brown

Even if tose were merged, that would leave 26 kids.

My guess was that the husbands brought some into the marrage but nether
are showing another wife.

The find a grave memmorial shows 5 children with the burial sites listed.

Loooking at the memorial for Nathan Ward, Sr

he has 13 children listed Total 5 of them with

Sarah

OK, that means wee can acount for children

13 for him but Sarah only had 5 of them

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_AHHH as he takes a breath_____

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That still leaves 13 children unaccounted for

Private User
7/19/2011 at 12:05 PM

But that's my question Marvin!

Are the 5 children just the children of Sarah "Indian" and Nathan Ward -- or are the 13 children all their children? We need more sourcing.

7/19/2011 at 12:23 PM

DEBORAH

Do you have any sources per chance

7/19/2011 at 12:31 PM

A guess would be that he was married before (That's what I get from his memorial). I need to resaerch him also.

The other 13 children could have been by a bad merge or something, Even with 2 wife 26 children are a bit.........much

I'm going to look at the dates first to see if maybe a couble of generations were mixed with alex I or with Jr.

Maybe out of the 26 children on has something that will point use in the right direction.

Private User
7/19/2011 at 12:36 PM

I will keep adding documentation if you look at the tech side, Marvin. Sound good?

7/19/2011 at 1:41 PM

OK

7/19/2011 at 5:58 PM

http://www.geni.com/list/index

Sara Brown / Ward

http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000004086108190

http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000004086108190

Note Ther are two profile for chief John Brown

The one curated by Bjorn and the one curated by me

Bjorn's

Chief John Brown

Birth:

1762
Sallisaw, Sequoyah, Oklahoma, United States

Death:

September 24, 1861 (99)
Sallisaw, Sequoyah, Oklahoma, United States

Immediate Family:

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Son of Alexander William Brown, ll and Naky Sarah Brown / Ward (Canoe)
Brother of Aaron BROWN, Jesse BROWN, Alexander Sawney Alexander Brown, Joseph Rodgers Brown, Susannah Brown and 1 other
Half brother of William Ward, Zachariah Ward, Stephen Ward, Wells Ward, Jeremiah Ward, Eleanor "Nellie" Ward, Lewis Thomas Ward, Jonathan Ward, Nathan Ward, Jr., Enoch Ward, Landreth Ward, Benjamin Ward, Silas Ward, stephen ward, ENOCK WARD, JANE COX (WARD), TABITHA WARD, JOHN COX WARD, JANE HASH WARD, MARY ANN HASH WARD, ABIGAIL TAYLOR WARD and NANCY HASH WELLS WARD

mine

Chief John Brown Jr

John Brown, Jr., Principal Chief

Birth:

July 2, 1796
Windsor, Massachuttes

Death:

February 2, 1822 (25)

Immediate Family:

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Son of John Brown and Sarah Brown
Husband of Susannah Brown (Lovett)
Father of Nancy Hannah Sides (Brown) and John Brown
Brother of Willard Wilford Braun Brown, Luther Brown, Calvin B Brown, Sally Brown, Welthy Brown, Daniel Brown, Philo Ebenezer Brown and Clarissa Brown

7/19/2011 at 6:00 PM

Bjorns John brown is not listed as a chief in tribal records.

7/19/2011 at 6:17 PM

By the looks of names I would say that the family of

and
Chief John Brown Jr

are mixed.

Tribal records only show one cheif John brown, Chief John Brown Jr

amd once the other John brown became known as Cheif, it would have been easy to mix them.

Big question, is this just a mistake on Geni or is it in the "White " records like that?

Since the Wiki link is no longer valid (may not have been correct in the first place) I will see if I can confirm anything about him with the Cherokee websites (East, west and Keetoowah). This may not be as easy as it sounds.

http://www.geni.com/people/Bj%C3%B8rn-P-Brox/285725352490006131?thr...

I am hijacking ?through=6000000004086108190#/tab/overview

for now. I know that really breaks your heart.

7/19/2011 at 6:32 PM

Good thing it's only 2 John Browns getting mixed, it could be worse, it could be two John Smith's.

7/19/2011 at 7:05 PM

Nathan Ward, Sr., of Grayson, Virginia had 1 wife and 22 children

This is not geting me anywhere.

I'm going to sleep on it and try again in the marrow.

I may have to get out a pen and paper and do it the old way, Idon't want to disconnect someone until I know for sure what went wrong and hopeflly where they really belong.

Private User
7/19/2011 at 7:05 PM

You do realize I took a look at the "Chief John Brown's" and thought ... hey I'll work on the Ward family! :)

But I think you're correct and there's a geni generational mixup to fix there.

Then we can get back into the genealogical question of how Nakey / Sarah / Sallie managed to have so many children. I am thinking two different daughters of Dragging Canoe *and* some children of the husband's by different wives as well.

7/19/2011 at 7:09 PM

Private User

My tag didnt work the 1st time, I hijackecked

See above for more info.

7/19/2011 at 7:22 PM

There are other Dragging Canoes also, so they could of been merged to to mix it up like this,. I need to figure out a good way to go about this, I'm afraid that we'll run out of sources before we run out of names.

As the Cruise Captain I am required to ask "where has the rum gone?" and in this case I could really use some. Who's at the Helm?

Private User
7/19/2011 at 7:27 PM

We'll just build it by sourcing and make the best case we can, hopefully with a team to help. You're doing great as the "cruise captain."

7/19/2011 at 7:42 PM

Let's see, I don't know where the rum's gone, and I don't know who's at he Helm and you say I'm a good Captain. who was your Captain before me, Gilligan?

7/20/2011 at 10:12 AM

This may take a little bit but I have a plan

First the 5 children of Sara and Nathan will be marked ++NSC++
Then the others that are listed for Nathen only will be marked ++NW++
I will then create an unknown mother for them and move them there.

That will move the children to a place that we know by ref (I'll work on the rest of the children later)

7/20/2011 at 10:31 AM

note place
Alexander Brown, ll

7/20/2011 at 10:33 AM
7/20/2011 at 10:40 AM

http://www.geni.com/merge/resolve/6000000003221580204

Was merged into a lewis thomas ward from Somme, Picardie, france, that is were the other extra wards came from

7/20/2011 at 10:42 AM

Private User

If you're still working on the wards see note above

7/20/2011 at 10:47 AM
7/20/2011 at 10:54 AM
7/20/2011 at 11:25 AM

REM
Stephen Ward is private so I can not mark but is a correct child

Private User
7/20/2011 at 11:37 AM

lol @ poor woman

Good lord...29 children.

7/20/2011 at 11:59 AM

Now marking the children of Alex Brown with ++AB++

1.Sawnee Alexander Brown was born in Calhoun Co., Ga. or Va. (?), and died 13 SEP 1842 in Polk Co., Mo..
2.James Brown.
3.Joseph Brown

7/20/2011 at 12:20 PM
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