Robert Cooke, Lord Mayor of London

Started by Kathleen Wood on Tuesday, August 9, 2011

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8/9/2011 at 9:42 PM

In many of the Cooke family histories, including this one, Robert Cooke (1392 - 1423) is titled "Lord Mayor London" However in the lists of Lord Mayors online, I cannot see any Cooke name - only his son Sir Thomas - was mayor in the 15th C. Is this misinformation being passed down? Or has someone got some evidence that I haven't seen?

8/9/2011 at 10:15 PM

Kathleen, I can't link to it right now from my phone, but there's a PDF I uploaded to the Lord Mayors of London project that is the definitive list maintained by the office of the Lord Mayor. If your ancestor's name isn't on there, then there's no documentation of him having held the office. That doesn't mean it's completely impossible, since perhaps the record was lost, but it's exceptionally unlikely.

If his son held the title of Lord Mayor, it's likely that he also had some type of title; that's the norm, as I've learned through that project. So you might try tracking down peerage bios of the son and then seeing what they have to say about the father.

8/9/2011 at 10:18 PM

Also, I'm not sure why he's in the project if he's not on that list. I or someone else may have added him in error while we were first trying to gather up profiles. I'll look into it in the morning for you. :)

8/10/2011 at 12:37 AM

This site mentions Robert Cooke - then his son as Mayor of London. http://mainegenie.cwahi.net/COOKE.htm

Robert Cooke, 1392 PLUS a whole heap of ancestry.com tress speak of "Robert Cooke, Lord Mayor of London"

Have found the site you were referring to - (on Wikipedia?) and no mention of him there. Only the son.

The blind leading the blind perhaps?

Kathy

8/10/2011 at 7:35 AM

Not a Wikipedia site. :) http://www.geni.com/projects/Lord-Mayors-of-London is the Lord Mayors of London project here on Geni. If you click on "1 Project Document" over at the right-hand side (http://www.geni.com/projects/documents/Lord-Mayors-of-London), it will pull up this document for you: http://www.geni.com/documents/view/project-6047?doc_id=600000001312...

I got that file directly from the office of the Lord Mayor. That is *the* definitive list, so if Wikipedia disputes it, Wikipedia is wrong. There is no Robert Cooke serving as Lord Mayor during his lifetime. I'm afraid that information is incorrect, so I'm going to pull the info from his profile and also remove him from the project. I will also add a link to the official list so people can see why it's wrong to call him that.

8/10/2011 at 8:18 AM

To continue...

I edited Robert's profile and included a curator's note reminding people not to list him as Lord Mayor. The problem I've now encountered is with Thomas' profile. The information in his associated sources all conflicts regarding his birth place and his children. I was simply formatting the information that was from the source linked in the profile, but that doesn't seem to be fully correct.

I'll try to keep working on the profile. If anyone else would like to beat me to it, there's some good information on Thomas at:

* http://www.londongardensonline.org.uk/gardens-online-record.asp?ID=...
* http://www.healthylifeessex.co.uk/pages/outdoor-life/Bedfords_Park....
* http://lh.matthewbeckett.com/houses/lh_essex_gideahall.html

There's also what appears to be a really good article on the Cookes overall in JSTOR (http://www.jstor.org/pss/3817073), but I suspect you might not have access to that. I'll see what I can pull from it for you.

8/10/2011 at 8:28 AM

Last post, I promise! (Especially because I need to get back to work.)

Here's the most relevant portion of the article:

"It was October of 1579 when Anthony Cooke became the head of the Cookes of Gidea Hall, Essex. His family had been established a little over a century before by Sir Thomas Cook, an extremely wealthy London draper and lord mayor of London. Sir Thomas bought a cluster of lands around Romford, in the royal manor and liberty of Havering-atte-Bower, with the intention of settling his family in greater security than his own background and Lancastrian career had provided. By the time of his death the Cookes held a generous estate in Essex and scattered lands elsewhere. In 1521 their economic position was further improved when they inherited, through a female line, lucrative sheep-raising lands in Warwickshire and adjoining counties."

So it looks like Thomas' parents (Robert) had average backgrounds and means, and it wasn't until Thomas achieved wealth and prominence that the Cookes became a powerful family.

8/12/2011 at 12:06 AM

Thank you for all this.
I reckon someone got it wrong on ancestry.com - and others blindly followed (not all though). Some have supposedly traced the Cook family back to about 10,000, but most of it totally sourced by fellow ancestry.comers with no As I followed them all I wondered if someone had made up all the names and dates!
But at least it gives me something to investigate.
My interest in Robert Cooke comes from following a recently discovered USA connection with a relative.... Langely back to Brownell, back to England etc etc.
Whats your connection?

8/15/2011 at 7:34 PM

Ha ha (I'm laughing at myself). After further investigation, I have discovered there is NO definite link between my Thomas Cook(e) who arrived in New England around 1635, and the above Lord Mayor Cooke (London). Talk about wasting time!

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