PRO USERS PLEASE DO THE MERGE-REQUESTS OF NON PRO USERS !

Edit relationships (splitting the tree) is I believe PRO. It's the reason I originally bought.

Lois - I think you're talking about privacy settings ? (Cannot see details to know whether to initiate or approve a match). Not a basic v PRO issue - that's the privacy setting controlled by every profile manager, easiest done from list view.

When Fred started this thread in Aug 2011 he wrote: "Now pro users can do all merges, just equal to curators, and non pro users cannot do any merge any more, we ask the pro users of the Collaboration Pool to collaborate this way that non pro users can have their merge requests executed."

The idea I believe was to take some of the burden off curators where all Pro members and not just curators could help. I think it is good to retain a thread where knowledgeable and competent Pro users can help Basic users without recourse to curators who can then concentrate on helping users with things only curators can help with.

I doubt this discussion can be renamed, so it could be closed and another more general "Pro users help Basic users" could be started. But many have this discussion bookmarked / in their favourites / discussions they follow, and so it is serving purpose.

Some of the things Pro users can help Basic users with include:
- Parent conflict resolution that requires splitting the tree; and
- Finding a URL where the Basic user can't follow a link from the search engine.

Maybe there should also be a thread for those with MH data subscriptions to help those who don't?

In general, all Geni users can and do help each other with knowledge and information - be they Basic, Pro or curator, with or without MH accounts or data subscriptions.

Erica - no, I was not talking about Privacy settings.

I guess I'm unclear on your question then Lois, I'm sorry!

Is this Help Topic wrong - specifically that "merging public profiles is a Pro only feature." -- ??
http://help.geni.com/entries/461179-What-is-a-Merge-Request-

Erica - in http://help.geni.com/entries/469660-How-can-I-merge-my-tree-with-a-... see Note towards the bottom - specifically stating "As of November 28, 2012, merging is free! Please note Tree Matches are still a Pro feature." Do not know if that expresses any more clearly for you what I was trying to say.

You'd have to take up FAQ issues with those who are responsible for FAQ. Curators just read them like everyone else.

OK you seemed to say there's a difference on what can be seen in a MERGE (not "Match.")

- Merging is free, anyone can merge. If one profile is private and other is public then the private data cannot be seen, this is not a PRO issue, this is a manager's privacy setting.

- Geni PROs pay for and get "tree matches" (blue box & in merge center & bobbing blue dots in tree view). Geni Basic users do not have access to Geni tree matches or the Geni search engine, this requires a PRO upgrade.

- the new record match and smart match services to MyHeritage require PRO subscription and MH data subscription.

Erica & Lois
I think they need to update the Note or delete it of the first link for Help that Lois posted. It is out dated.

So yes, the first link about merging being a Pro only feature is wrong.

As Lois states about her first help link it does state "Update: As of August 11, 2011, merging public profiles is a Pro only feature." which is contradictory of the second help link which states "Note: As of November 28, 2012, merging is free! Please note Tree Matches are still a Pro feature."

Difference now between which profiles Basic Users can merge and which profiles Pro Users can merge, I know that even Curators cannot merge a duplicate profile that is in another unconnected tree, just a 'Request to merge" is sent.

I have submitted a ticket about the out dated issue.

Thank you, Carole. That is very kind of you.

Erica - Basic Users as well as Pro Users get the Tree Matches.

Pro Users can then click and see the match, Basic Users can click but will not get to then see the match, just get a Pay Wall. This is what I meant when I said Basic Users cannot see details of suggested matches.

However, having been alerted to the apparent fact of the match, they can then do a geni-Search - and if the geni-Search shows them a Profile they see is clearly a match -- then they may well want help to do the merge. Also confusing things -- many use the term "merge" to mean both request a merge and complete a merge. I am using it here to mean either (or both). Not sure if this is the same for you, or not.

One of the confusions is working within the family group (privacy) zone. I don't much, so have nothing to say about it.

Another is about standalone (not connected) to the World Family Tree. The profiles may be public so "anyone can view." However in this case - another member can only request the merge, and ALSO a collaboration request. If the standalone tree member accepts both, THEN the merge can proceed, completed by anyone.

Lois are you sure about the matches for basic users?

Note: As of November 28, 2012, merging is free! Please note Tree Matches are still a Pro feature."

Lois and Erica I think you are both correct about tree matches.

I think the point Lois is making is that Basic users can see the fact that tree matches exist.

Erica also notes that Basic users can't then actually see which profile matches, but they do know there is one, and if inclined they can then try searching for it.

Both are correct.

So suppose a Geni Basic user has a profile on their tree with an unusual name. They are told there is a tree match on that profile. If they click on the match they get a paywall. Instead they go hunting for another profile of that name in the search engine, or using an external search engine such as Google, or in the Geni public directory.

etc.

So - that is why this particular discussion has died off. It is (mostly) not necessary, as the "match alert" basic users get can be worked around by viewing the details of the public profile (enough to confirm or reject, anyway) through google.

Erica - even when they find the matching profile, Basic users can never reject a match. And they may never work out which is the match that Geni had in mind.

This particular discussion has mostly died (or gone off topic) because Basic users can now do merges. The premise of the thread was that Basic users could not merge, but Pro users could. That is no longer true.

The question is whether there are other things with which Pro users can help Basic users. There probably are. My post above at http://www.geni.com/discussions/99133?msg=873098 aimed to take us in that direction.

I'm not getting "can't work out a proposed MERGE"

Merging results in details of the proposal side by side compare details.

To me - upgrade to use the MATCH services & ignore if that is not the choice.

Merging? Absolutely, go forward - should be in the merge center, full details viewable, can do the merge or reject it.

Erica,

For a basic user it can be difficult to know which two profiles have a potential match. A basic user does not have the same seaech possibilities as a pro user. There arework-arounds for public profiles, but that may be too complicated for most users.

Basic users still need help for certain merges. I mostly to merges with profiles with managers who are collaborating with me, so I can do most merges without help, but for some merges I still need help.

Job,

Thank you, that's what I was beginning to think.

The limitation is NOT in the merging technology, which is the same, I believe - it's in the search capacity and in matching.

"The limitation is NOT in the merging technology, which is the same, I believe - it's in the search capacity and in matching."

Exactly right - those are restricted for Basic users.

Unknown Profile

Elizabeth Leyenberger

Please merge!

Isaac Greeson

Unknown Profile

Please merge!

Margaret Greeson

Unknown Profile

Please merge!

Thanks!!

I would really love some help with these:

Two Grant Shappees
http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000003771207810?to=6000000004...

Two Howard Shappees
http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000004684287221?to=6000000003...

Thanks so much for helping me with my duplicate Shappees! I have been vainly trying to contact the other user for years. He must be inactive. I would go Pro with Geni if I had the time to use it. I have a very demanding job, and for now I'm just trying to clean up what I have already built.

perhaps someone could do this merge
http://www.geni.com/search?search_advanced=open&search_extended...

Richard Radzinsky It probably won't happen. One manager has abandoned her tree and Geni found no replacement manager

i thought curators could assign replacement managers to abandoned trees

Nope it is not a curator feature.

The command "Abandoned Tree" can however be executed by everyone and the result of it is that the closest active Geni user get added as primary manager of the abandoned profiles.

You find this option in the Actions menu of an abandoned tree if the user has not been logged in for 9 months, and is a "fire once" action.

hi
some weird things are happening with my carousel

could one of the curators go through my requested merges
http://www.geni.com/list/requested_merges?collection=relatives&...

thanks