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Adele de Meaux de Vermandois

Also Known As: "Adele of Meaux", "Also called 'Countess Adelaide Aelis Grisgonelle de Vermandois d'Anjou' ‘Adele d’Meaux’ ‘Adele’ ‘Alix’ and ‘Alice’", "Adelaide //", "Adeliza of Chalon-sur-Saone /Vermandois/", "Adele of /Meaux/", "Contessa De Chalons", "Countess consort"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Vermandois, Normandy, France
Death: Died in Anjou, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France
Cause of death: Death dates of 16 March 978 and 12 February 974 have been given
Place of Burial: France
Immediate Family:

Daughter of Robert de Vermandois, comte de Meaux et de Troyes and Adelaide of Burgundy
Wife of Geoffrey "Grisgonelle", comte d'Anjou
Mother of Raingarde; Ermangarde d'Anjou, Duchess of Bretagne; Adela Blanca D' ANJOU, COUNTESS OF PROVENCE; Gerberge d'Anjou; Geoffroy d'Anjou and 1 other
Sister of Archambaud de Vermandois; Arnulf de Ganelon; Heribert V "le jeune" de Vermandois, comte de Troyes; Adelais de Troyes; Gersende de Gascoigne and 1 other

Occupation: Countess of Anjou, de Meaux, Dame, de Châlons-sur-Marne, Comtesse, also known as Adele of Vermandois
Managed by: Pam Wilson
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About Adèle de Meaux, dite de Vermandois

Adele of Meaux (c. 950-c. 980) Also known as "Adele of Vermandois" she was a daughter of Robert of Vermandois and Adelaide-Werra de Chalon.

She married Geoffrey I of Anjou. He also had a wife named Adelais who had been previously married to Lambert, Count of Chalon, but it is not likely that these were the same person.

Also, she should not be confused with her sister Adelais de Troyes who married Charles de Lorraine, Duke of Lower Lotharingia.

Children with Geoffrey d'Anjou:

1. ERMENGARDE d'Anjou (before 965-after 982). m (973) CONAN Comte de Rennes-->CONAN I "le Tort" Duke of Brittany.

2. FOULQUES d'Anjou ([970]-Metz 21 Jun 1040, bur Beaulieu-lez-Loche, Abbaye de Saint-Pierre). --> FOULQUES III "Nerra/the Black" Comte d'Anjou.

3. GEOFFROY (-after 6 Mar 974).

4. GERBERGE d'Anjou (974 or before-after 1 Apr 1040). m (before 1000) GUILLAUME IV Comte d'Angoulême

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http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CHAMPAGNE%20NOBILITY.htm

daughter of Robert of Vermandois and Adelaide-Werra de Chalon.

ADELA de Meaux ([950]-974 after 6 Mar). A manuscript genealogy, dated to the early 12th century, records "Herbertus de Tricis, Robertus, Adela, Fulco, Gaufridus Martellus"[1847]. Her marriage date is estimated based on the estimated birth date of her oldest daughter.

"Adela" donated property to Saint-Aubin d'Angers by charter dated 6 Mar 974 which names "seniore meo Gauzfredo comite" and is subscribed by "Gauzfredi comitis, Fulconis filii eius, Gauzfredi filii eius"[1848].

The Chronicæ Sancti Albini names "Adela comitissa…et marito suo Gaufrido" as present at the ordination of "Rainaldus episcopus" in 1074[1849]. "Fulco Andecavorum comes" relinquished rights to the bishop of Angers "pro anima patris mei Gauffredi et matris Adelæ" by charter dated 17 Jan 1020[1850].

m ([965]) as his first wife, GEOFFROY I “Grisegonelle” Comte d'Anjou, son of FOULQUES II Comte d’Anjou & his first wife Gerberge [de Maine] (-21 Jul 987).

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#GeoffroyIdied987B:

GEOFFROY d'Anjou, son of FOULQUES II "le Bon" Comte d'Anjou & his first wife Gerberge --- ([938/40]-Marso 21 Jul 987, bur Châteauneuf, église Saint-Martin). The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum names "primogenitus Gofridus…Guido…episcopus Podii…tertius minor Drogo" as the three sons of "Fulco Pius"[91]. He succeeded his father in 958 as GEOFFROY I "Grisegonelle" Comte d'Anjou. "Teutbaldi comitis, Teutbaldi junioris, Gausfredi comitis, Hugonis comitis Cenomannorum…" subscribed the charter dated Sep 960 under which "Aremburgis" donated property to Saint-Florent de Saumur[92]. "Gaufridus…Andecavorum comes", with the consent of "fratre meo Widone abate", established the right of the comtes d'Anjou to appoint abbots of Saint-Aubin d'Angers, by charter dated 19 Jun 966[93]. He succeeded as Comte de Chalon from his second marriage until his death in 987. The Chronico Sancti Michaelis records the death in 987 of "Gaufredus comes Andegavensis pater Fulconis"[94]. The Chronica Rainaldi records that "Gaufridus Andecavorum comes, pater Fulconis comitis" was killed "XII Kal Aug in obsidione Marsonis super Odonem Rufinum facta"[95]. The necrology of Angers Cathedral records the death "XIV Kal Aug 987" of "Gaufridus Andegavensis comes, pater Fulconis in obsidione Marsonis"[96]. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum records the burial of Geoffroy "in ecclesia Beati Martini Castri Novi"[97]. The Annales Sancti Albini Andegavensis record the death "XII Kal Aug…in obsidione Narsonis super Odonem Rufinum facta" of "Gaufridus comes, pater Fulchonis"[98].

m firstly ([965] or before) ADELA de Meaux, daughter of ROBERT Comte de Meaux et de Troyes & his wife Adelais [de Bourgogne] ([950]-974 after 6 Mar). Adela, wife of Comte Geoffroy, is named as daughter of Comte Robert in two 12th century Angevin genealogies[99]. Her marriage date is estimated based on the estimated birth date of her oldest daughter. "Adela" donated property to Saint-Aubin d'Angers by charter dated 6 Mar 974 which names "seniore meo Gauzfredo comite" and is subscribed by "Gauzfredi comitis, Fulconis filii eius, Gauzfredi filii eius"[100]. The Chronicæ Sancti Albini names "Adela comitissa…et marito suo Gaufrido" as present at the ordination of "Rainaldus episcopus" in 1074[101]. "Fulco Andecavorum comes" relinquished rights to the bishop of Angers "pro anima patris mei Gauffredi et matris Adelæ" by charter dated 17 Jan 1020[102].

m secondly (2 or 9 Mar 979) as her second husband, ADELAIS, widow of LAMBERT Comte de Chalon, daughter of --- (-after 18 Oct 984). "Gausfredus comes [et]…Adeleidis uxor mea" jointly donated land in "pago Cabilonensi" by charter dated Mar 979, her first marriage being deduced from "Hugo filius Lanberti comitis" acting jointly with them and signing "Hugonis filii eius" directly after "Adeleidis" in the subscriptions[103]. "Gauzfredi comitis, Adaleidis comitissa" subscribed a charter dated 18 Oct 984[104]. The origin of Adelais has been the subject of much speculation. Settipani has suggested[105] that she was the daughter of Hugues Comte en Bourgogne & his wife Willa von Thurgau. Chaume suggested[106] that she was the daughter or granddaughter of Charles Constantin Comte de Vienne. Bouchard sets out several different theories concerning Adelais's origin, with the aim mainly of explaining Lambert's succession to the county of Chalon by inheritance through his wife. However, none appears to be based on any primary source and the author concludes that she prefers "to leave Adelaide's origins unknown"[107]. An earlier theory was that Adelais was the sister of "Wera" Ctss de Meaux[108], which would mean that she was Adelais, daughter of Giselbert Duke of Burgundy, Comte de Chalon-sur-Saône et de Troyes & his wife Ermengardis [de Dijon]. Duchesne[109] suggested that Adelais Ctss de Chalon was the daughter of Robert Comte de Meaux et de Troyes, although this would mean that the two wives of Geoffroy I Comte d'Anjou were sisters, no mention of which has so far been found in contemporary sources. Yet another suggestion is that Adelais Ctss de Chalon was the same person as Wera-Adelais Ctss de Meaux. However, this is even more unlikely chronologically considering the estimated birth date of Wera-Adelais and the fact that Adelais de Chalon gave birth to at least one child by her second husband, Geoffroy Comte d'Anjou, after their marriage in 979. It would also mean that Comte Geoffroy married, as his second wife, his first wife's mother which seems unlikely. Finally, in 1619, Duchesne[110] suggested that Adelais was the sister of Guillaume I Comte d'Arles.

Comte Geoffroy I & his first wife had three children:

1. ERMENGARDE d'Anjou (before 965-after 982). Rodulfus Glaber records that Conan married the sister of Foulques of Anjou but does not name her[111]. The primary source which confirms her name has not yet been identified. She was presumably born before 965 if it is correct that her first child was born in 980. m (973) CONAN Comte de Rennes, son of JUDICAËL BERENGAR Comte de Rennes & his wife Gerberge --- (-killed in battle Conquereil 27 Jun 992). He succeeded in 990 as CONAN I "le Tort" Duke of Brittany.

2. FOULQUES d'Anjou ([970]-Metz 21 Jun 1040, bur Beaulieu-lez-Loche, Abbaye de Saint-Pierre). The Historiæ Andegavensis, allegedly written by Foulques IV "Rechin" Comte d'Anjou, names "Goffridus Grisagonella pater avi mei Fulconis"[112]. He succeeded his father in 987 as FOULQUES III "Nerra/the Black" Comte d'Anjou.

3. GEOFFROY (-after 6 Mar 974). "Adela" donated property to Saint-Aubin d'Angers by charter dated 6 Mar 974 which names "seniore meo Gauzfredo comite" and is subscribed by "Gauzfredi comitis, Fulconis filii eius, Gauzfredi filii eius"[113].

4. GERBERGE d'Anjou (974 or before-after 1 Apr 1040). The Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes records the marriage of "comes…Engolismæ Willelmus" and "Girberga sorore comitis Fulconis"[114]. The Historia Pontificum et Comitum Engolismensis names "Giberta sorore Comitis Guillermi Andegavensis" as wife of "Guillermus Comes Engolismensis"[115]. "Gaufredus et uxor mea Petronilla" donated property "ecclesiam Sancti Pauli…in Sanctonensi territorio subter castrum…Botavilla" to Sauvigny on the advice of "Vuillelmi comitis Engolismensis et uxoris eius dominæ Girbergiæ patris…mei et matris et domini Elduini fratris mei" by charter dated before 1028[116]. m (before 1000) GUILLAUME IV Comte d'Angoulême, son of ARNAULD "Mancer" Comte d'Angoulême & his first wife Raingarde --- ([978]-murdered 6 Apr 1028, bur Angoulême Saint-Cybard). He was poisoned by his daughter-in-law Alaisia.

Comte Geoffroy I & his second wife had one child:

5. MAURICE d'Anjou ([980]-1012, bur Châteauneuf, église Saint-Martin). The cartulary of Paray-le-Monial includes a charter (undated) of "filius eius Hugo" which is subscribed by "Hugonis comitis et episcopi, Adelaidis com, Mauricii…"[117]. "Hugo comes" donated property to Cluny "pro absolutione patris Lantberti" by charter dated to [988] which also names "mater mea Adelaydis et frater meus Mauricius"[118]. "Cabilonensium comes domnus Hugo et mater eius Adeleidis et domnus Mauricius frater eius" donated property "in villa Paion" to Paray-le-Monial by undated charter[119]. The fact that he was his mother's son by her second marriage is confirmed by "Fulco comes Mauriciusque frater eius" accusing "Rainaldus Andecavorum episcopus" of corruption, recorded in a charter dated [24 Oct 996/12 Jun 1005] which names "patri eorum Goffrido"[120]. "Domnus Hugo comes atque mater sua Adeleidis" donated property "in pago Cabilonensi" to the abbey of Paray-le-Moniale by an undated charter signed by "Hugo comes, Adeleidis matris suæ, Mauritii filii eius, Enrici ducis, Garlindis uxoris eius"[121]. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum records that "Mauricius Gosfridi Grisæ Tunicæ filius" succeeded his father as Comte d'Anjou, and that Foulques "Nerra" was the son of Maurice and succeeded his father[122]. The Historia Comitum Andegavorum repeats these statements, which are chronologically impossible, concerning the alleged succession of Maurice to the county of Anjou and his succession by his supposed son Foulques "Nerra"[123]. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum records the burial of "Mauricius…in ecclesia Beati Martini Castri Novi iuxta patrem suum"[124]. m --- de Saintes, daughter of AIMERY Comte de Saintes & his wife ---. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum names "de Alverniensi pago filiam Hamerici consulis Santonici, neptem Raimundi Pictavensis comitis" as wife of "Mauricius Gofridi Grisæ Tunicæ filius", stating (incorrectly) that "Fulconem Neram" was their son[125]. "Raimundis Pictavensis comitis" may refer to Raymond-Pons Comte de Toulouse, who was also for a time duke of Aquitaine, the Aquitainian title being closely associated with the county of Poitou. This would also be chronologically acceptable, assuming that "neptem" in the Gesta can be translated as granddaughter. Maurice & his wife had [two] children....

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From the English Wikipedia page on Adele of Meaux:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adele_of_Meaux

Adele of Meaux (c. 950-c. 980) Also known as "Adele of Vermandois" was a daughter of Robert of Vermandois and Adelaide-Werra de Chalon.

Family

Marriage

She married twice, first to Lambert, Count of Chalon, and then to Geoffrey I of Anjou, and had three children with each.

Children

With Lambert of Chalon:

  • 1. Hugh I of Autun, Bishop of Auxerre (-1039)
  • 2. Mahaut of Autun, Count of Chalon (-1019)
  • 3. Aelis of Chalon, who married Guido I of Macon

With Geoffrey I of Anjou:

  • 1. Gottfried of Anjou (-987)
  • 2. Fulk III of Anjou (972-1040)
  • 3. Ermengarde of Anjou, who married Conan I of Rennes

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The family of Geoffroy Ier d'ANJOU and Adélaïs de VERMANDOIS

[129058] ANJOU (d'), Geoffroy Ier (..)

  • married 959 France ? (France)

VERMANDOIS (de), Adélaïs (..)

  • 1) Adèle dite Blanche, married about 980 Guillaume II de PROVENCE

Bibliographie : Essai sur l'histoire des comtes souverains de Provence; Histoire de la maison royale de France (Père Anselme)

http://www.francogene.com/quebec--genealogy/129/129058.php

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From http://www.rpi.edu/~holmes/Hobbies/Genealogy/ps05/ps05_320.htm

Adelaide was Countess of Vermandois, Troyes and Champagne.

References: [WallopFH],[AR7],[RD500] -------------------- Adele of Meaux (c. 950-c. 980) Also known as "Adele of Vermandois" was a daughter of Robert of Vermandois and Adelaide-Werra de Chalon.

Family

Marriage

She married twice, first to Lambert, Count of Chalon, and then to Geoffrey I of Anjou, and had children with each.

Children

With Lambert of Chalon:

   * Hugh I of Autun, Bishop of Auxerre (-1039)
   * Mahaut of Autun, Count of Chalon (-1019)
   * Aelis of Chalon, who married Guido I of Macon

With Geoffrey I of Anjou:

   * Gottfried of Anjou (-987)
   * Fulk III of Anjou (972-1040)
   * Ermengarde of Anjou, who married Conan I of Rennes
   * Gerberga (b. 973), married Count William IV of Angoulême.

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alt name Bonne Adelaïde de Lorraine

-------------------- Geoffroy married Adèle DE VERMANDOIS Countess of Meaux & Troyes, daughter of Robert DE VERMANDOIS Comte de Meaux & Troyes and Adélaïde D' AUXERRE Dame de Donzy, on 2 Mar 950-951 in France 610. (Adèle DE VERMANDOIS Countess of Meaux & Troyes was born about 934 in Vermandois, N, France 610 and died after 6 Mar 974 610.)

http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/2/2701.htm

Two plausible entries:

59. Adele of Vermandois 91 103 104 105 (Herbert II, Count of Vermandois, Soissons and Troyes39, Herbert I, Count of Vermandois25, Pepin, Count of Senlis, Peronne, St. Quentin15, Bernard, King of Italy5, Pepin, King of Italy and Lombardy2, Charlemagne, King of France, Holy Roman Emperor1) was born between 910 and 915 in Vermand, Picardy, Neustria (France), died on 10 Oct 960 in Bruges, Aquitaine (West Flanders, Belgium), and was buried in Abbaye de St Pierre, Gand, Flandres. Adele married Arnulf I , Count of Flanders and Artois,90 91 92 93 son of Baldwin II , Count of Flanders and Artois and Ælfthryth , of Wessex, in 934. Arnulf was born about 890 in Flanders (Belgium) and died 27 Mar 964 or 965 in Flanders (Belgium) about age 74. (Duplicate Line. See Person 51)

80. Adelaide of Vermandois 127 (Robert, of Vermandois, Count of Trois and Meaux58, Herbert II, Count of Vermandois, Soissons and Troyes39, Herbert I, Count of Vermandois25, Pepin, Count of Senlis, Peronne, St. Quentin15, Bernard, King of Italy5, Pepin, King of Italy and Lombardy2, Charlemagne, King of France, Holy Roman Emperor1) was born about 934 in Vermand, Picardy, France and died 12 Mar 975 or 978 in Châlons-sur-Saône, Saône-et-Loire, France about age 41.

Birth Notes: Kevin Bradford has b. 950

Adelaide married Geoffrey I "Grisgonelle" , Count of Anjou,156 son of Fulk II "the Good" , Count of Anjou and Gerberga , of Maine, on 2 Mar 951 in Anjou, France. Geoffrey died on 21 Jul 987.

Marriage Notes: Kevin Bradford has m. 979. Seems too late.

Children from this marriage were:

+ 103 F i. Ermengarde of Anjou 157 158 was born about 952 in <Anjou, France> and died on 27 Jun 992 about age 40.

+ 104 M ii. Fulk III "the Black" of Maine, Count of Anjou 159 died on 21 Jun 1040.

AND IVO DE TALLIBOIS, ILLEGITIMATE

http://www.ffish.com/family_tree/Descendants_Charlemagne/D1.htm#i2036

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Adèle de Meaux, dite de Vermandois's Timeline

926
926
Angoulême, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France
945
945
Vermandois, Normandy, France
958
November 11, 958
Age 13
Duchy of Anjou (now Pays de la Loire, France)
960
960
Age 15
962
962
Age 17
Anjou, Isère, Rhône-Alpes, France
964
964
Age 19
France, Lot-et-Garonne, Aquitaine, France
976
976
Age 31
Anjou, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France
979
March 979
Age 31
982
982
Age 31
France
987
June 21, 987
Age 31
Anjou, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France