It is apparent that a daughter of Robert I of France married Heribert II de Vermandois, yet her first name is not clear from the records. Best guesses have included Adela, Hildebrante or Liegarde. Ben M. Angel summarizes the evidence for each name, below. See also Charles Cawley's discussion in the FMG Medieval Lands database.

Ben Angel's Summary of Supporting Evidence for Each Name

Supporting Adela

• The 21 May 907 donation of Rebais abbey to the church of Paris (Diplôme de Charles III, no 57, Lauer, quoted in Settipani (1993), p. 407) provided by Medlands.
• German Wikipedia (backed by research compiled by Karl-Heinz Schreiber)
• French Wikipedia (lists Settipani as source, but doesn't attribute assertion of Adela as Herbert's wife directly)
• Hungarian Wikipedia (cites Flodoard 944, MGH SS III, p. 390 as source)
• Italian Wikipedia (lists Louis Halphen as source, but doesn't attribute assertion of Adela as Herbert's wife directly)
• Dutch Wikipedia (calls her Adelheid, no sources cited)
• Russian Wikipedia (calls her "Adel Frantsuskaya", no sources cited)
• Werner Karl Ferdinand in "Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen bis um das Jahr 1000 (1.-8. Generation)" (describes Hildebrande as being from a "laster tradition" while throwing support behind Adela)
• Brandenburg Erich in "Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen" (describes Hildebrande as being from later sources while throwing support behind Adela)
• Schwager Helmut: in „Heribert II.“

Supporting Hildebrante

• English Wikipedia (though it gives a source that proposes Liegarde). Note: Indonesian Wikipedia entry appears to be a direct translation of the English Wikipedia entry.
• Frederick Lewis Weis and Jr. assisted by: David Faris with additions and Corrections by: Walter Lee Sheppard, Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists~who came to New England between 1623 and 1650.

Supporting Liegarde

• "Tintin et Genealogie" ( http://fjaunais.free.fr/h0vermandois.htm ), source for English Wikipedia page (no primary sources cited).

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According to the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Capetian Kings:

King Robert I of France & his first wife (perhaps named Aelis) had one child:

1. [ADELA] (before 898-).

• The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "comitis Heriberti gener…Roberti" and in a later passage to the sister of "dux Hugo Cappatus" as the wife of "comitis Heriberti de Peroni, Campanie et Veromandie" but does not name her[69]. Her origin is confirmed by Flodoard naming "Hugo dux cum nepotibus suis, Heriberti filiis" in 943[70].
• Her birth date is estimated from the birth of her first child in [915].
• Her name is deduced as follows. The 21 May 907 donation of Rebais abbey to the church of Paris refers to "comitis Rotberti et Adele comitisse"[71]. Although this phrasing usually indicates husband and wife, Settipani suggests that the chronology of the life of King Robert's son Hugues (attested as Robert's son by his second wife Béatrix) favours his birth, and therefore his father's second marriage, well before 907, which would mean "Adele" could not have been Robert's wife. This reasoning appears based firstly on Hugues already being married in [914], and secondly on the probability of his having reached the age of majority when he was recognised as duke in 922. The 907 document is explained as referring to Robert and his elder daughter. The issue, however, is not beyond doubt, especially if the document in question was misdated.

m (before 21 May 907) HERIBERT II Comte de Vermandois, son of HERIBERT I Comte de Vermandois[-Carolingian] & his wife [Liedgardis] --- ([880]-23 Feb 943, bur Saint Quentin).

References:

[70] Flodoard 944, MGH SS III, p. 390. [71] Diplôme de Charles III, no 57, Lauer, quoted in Settipani (1993), p. 407. --------------------------- From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Northern France:

HERIBERT [II], son of HERIBERT [I] Comte de Vermandois & his wife [Liedgardis] --- ([880]-23 Feb 943, bur Saint Quentin).

• He succeeded his father in [900/907] as Comte de Meaux, de Soissons et de Vermandois.
• Lay Abbot of St Crépin and St Médard at Soissons.
• Comte Héribert took part in the rebellion against Charles III “le Simple” King of France in 922 and tricked the ex-king into capture.
• Héribert consolidated his power by arranging for his young son to be made Archbishop of Reims.
• Comte Héribert received Péronne from Raoul King of France in 924.
• Together with forces of Arnoul I Count of Flanders, Héribert captured the Viking stronghold of Eu[1289].
• Following this he apparently forged an alliance with Comte Rollo in [927][1290], leaving his son Eudes with Rollo as a hostage.
• Comte Héribert unsuccessfully attempted to capture Laon in 927[1291]. He accompanied the king into Burgundy in 928, when his son Eudes was granted the county of Vienne by Ugo King of Italy.
• With help from Hugues "le Grand" [Capet], King Raoul subdued Vermandois and Comte Héribert made his submission to the king[1292].
• In 939. Héribert joined the alliance against Louis IV King of France led by Otto I "der Große" King of Germany, who raided Frankish territory and forced King Louis to renounce his claim to the throne of Lotharingia.
• Together with Hugues "le Grand" [Capet], Héribert besieged Reims, forcing the restoration of his son as archbishop, and also besieged King Louis at Laon.
• Flodoard records the death of "Heribertus comes" in 943 and his burial at Saint-Quentin[1293]. The necrology of Reims Cathedral records the death "VII Kal Mar" of "Heribertus comes"[1294].
• On his death in 943, his territories were divided between his sons by their maternal uncle Hugues "le Grand".

m (before 21 May 907) [ADELA], daughter of ROBERT Marquis en Neustrie, Comte de Paris [later ROBERT I King of France] & his first wife [Adela] --- (before 898-).

The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "comitis Heriberti gener…Roberti" and in a later passage to the sister of "dux Hugo Cappatus" as the wife of "comitis Heriberti de Peroni, Campanie et Veromandie" but does not name her[1295]. Her origin is confirmed by Flodoard naming "Hugo dux cum nepotibus suis, Heriberti filiis" in 943[1296].

Her birth date is estimated from the birth of her first child in [915].

IMPORTANT SECTION HERE: Her name is deduced as follows. The 21 May 907 donation of Rebais abbey to the church of Paris refers to "comitis Rotberti et Adele comitisse"[1297]. Although this phrasing usually indicates husband and wife, Settipani suggests that the chronology of the life of King Robert's son Hugues (attested as Robert's son by his second wife Béatrix) favours his birth, and therefore his father's second marriage, well before 907, which would mean "Adele" could not have been Robert's wife. This reasoning appears based firstly on Hugues already being married in [914], and secondly on the probability of his having reached the age of majority when he was recognised as duke in 922. The 907 document is explained as referring to Robert and his elder daughter. The issue, however, is not beyond doubt, especially if the document in question was misdated. Her marriage date assumes that this identification is correct.

Comte Héribert II & his wife had seven children:

1. ODO [Eudes] ([915]-after 19 Jun 946).

• Flodoard records that "Odonis filii sui [=Heriberto]" was appointed vicecomes when Ugo King of Italy gave his father "provintiam Viennensem" in 928[1298].
• His father left him in [927] as a hostage with Rollo Comte [de Normandie].
• Unlike his father, he swore allegiance to Louis IV "d'Outremer" King of the Franks in 938 and received the guardianship of the royal residence at Laon. He occupied the town and county of Amiens, but was expelled in 944[1299].

2. ADELA de Vermandois ([915]-[Bruges 10 Oct] 960, bur Ghent, St Pieter).

• The Genealogica Arnulfi Comitis names "Adelam, domni Heriberti comitis filiam" as wife of "comes Arnulfus", specifying that she was "duorum Francorum regum, Odonis atque Rotberti, neptem"[1300]. Flodoard refers to the wife of "Arnoul" as sister of "Hugo [de Vermandois Archbishop of Reims]"[1301].
• Her marriage was arranged to seal the alliance made in 934 between her father and her future husband[1302].
• "Arnulfus Flandrie comes et marchisus" granted use of property "Snellenghem in pago Flandrensi" to Saint-Pierre de Gand, for "uxore mea…Adala atque…filio meo Balduino et filia mea Lietgardis" and for deceased "Balduino genitore meo et Elstrudis genetrice mea atque Heeberto filio meo", by charter dated 10 Jul 953[1303]. "Adhela comitissa" freed two serfs and granted them to the abbey of Saint-Pierre de Gand, for the soul of "fidelis nostri Amalrici", by charter dated 8 Sep 954, signed by "Balduini comitis…Odacri advocati"[1304].
• The Annales Blandinienses record the death in 960 of "Adala comitissa"[1305].
• m (934) as his second wife, ARNOUL I "le Grand" Count of Flanders, son of BAUDOUIN II "le Chauve" Count of Flanders & his wife Ælfthryth of Wessex ([885/890]-murdered 27 Mar 964, bur Ghent, St Pieter).

3. HERIBERT [III] "le Vieux" ([910/26]-[983/early 985], bur Lagny).

• Flodoard names "Heriberti Adalberti fratris" when recording his marriage, and in a later passage "nepotes Hugonis, Heribertus et Rotbertus"[1306].
• His date of birth has been estimated at [910/15] by Werner[1307], whereas Settipani supports a later estimate of [925/26][1308].
• The former appears more consistent with Héribert's participation in his father's war from 938. If the latter is correct, comte Héribert would have been more than 20 years younger than his wife, which seems unlikely. There appears to be no basis for deciding between one or the other.
• He is documented with his father between 938 and 942 in the latter's war against King Louis IV, submitting to the king with his father in 942.
• Under the division of territories organised after his father's death in 943, Héribert became Comte d'Omois and received the fortress of Château-Thierry as well as the abbey of Saint-Médard, Soissons. King Lothaire appointed him comte du palais (comte palatin).
• He succeeded his brother Robert in 967 as Comte de Meaux et de Troyes.
• His proposed death date range in [983/early 985] is estimated on the following basis. A letter of Gerbert dated 983 records that "Heriberti Trecassini et Oddonis comitis filii Tedbaldi" were enemies of "Adelbero Remonis archiepiscopus"[1309]. However, a letter dated to Apr 985 names "Ottonis et Heriberti", while a letter dated to mid-985 records that "Ottonem, Heribertum" made peace with the archbishop[1310]. Another letter of Gerbert dated to [late 986/early 987] records that "O et Heribertus comites" were part of the council of Emma Queen of France[1311]. It is assumed that "Oddonis/Ottonem/O" all refer to the same person. However, it is suggested that only the first letter applies to Héribert [III], the change to Héribert [V] (nephew and successor of Héribert [III], son of the latter's brother Robert) being indicated in the subsequent letters by "Heribertum" being named after "Ottonem" instead of before, which suggests that he was the junior of the two from Apr 985. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the burial of "comes Trecensis Heribertus II cognomento Vetulus" in "abbatiam Latiniaci"[1312].
• m (951) as her second husband, EADGIFU, widow of CHARLES III "le Simple" King of the Franks, daughter of EDWARD I King of Wessex & his second wife Ælfleda --- ([902/05][1313]-26 Sep after 951, bur Abbaye de Saint-Médard de Soissons). Flodoard names "Ottogeba regina, mater Ludowici regis" when recording her second marriage[1314].

4. HUGUES (920-Meaux 962).

• Flodoard names "Hugone diacono Heriberti filio", when recording his installation as archbishop of Reims in 940[1315]. His father engineered the grant by Raoul King of France of the temporal administration of the archbishopric of Reims to Hugues in 925, the appointment being confirmed by Pope John X, but the grant was withdrawn by the king in 932 after he besieged the city[1316].
• Hugues entered holy orders in 940. His father, who had captured Reims in [Jun/Jul] 940, forced Hugues's restoration as archbishop. Besieged at Laon, King Louis IV was obliged to confirm Hugues's appointment as archbishop and also appointed Hugues as his Arch-Chancellor.
• Hugues was expelled from Reims in 946 when the town was retaken by King Louis. He was finally deprived of his archbishopric by the papal legate in 948.
• He died on returning from a pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela[1317].

5. LUITGARDIS (before 925-14 Nov after 985, bur Chartres, Abbaye de Saint-Père).

• Rodulfus Glauber refers to the wife of Comte Guillaume as "sororem [Heribertum Trecorum comitem]", specifying that she was childless by her first husband, when recording her second marriage to "Tetbaldus"[1318].
• The Liber Modernorum Regum Francorum refers to the wife of "Tetbaudi comitis" as "sorore Herberti Trecorum comitis"[1319].
• "Theobaldi comitis…Ledgardis comitisse" subscribed the charter dated 950 under which Ragnfred Bishop of Chartres donated property to Chartres Saint-Père, although the relationship between the two is not specified[1320].
• "Ledgardis" donated property to "Sancti Petri Carnotensis ecclesiam", for the souls of "senioris mei…comitis Tedbaldi…patris mei Heirberti, Trecassini comitis", with the consent of "archipresule…Hugone et…comite Odone, filiis meis", by charter dated 5 Feb 978, signed by "…Emma comitissa Pictavæ urbis…"[1321].
• “Ledgardis comitissa necnon Hugo episcopus et filius meus et item filius meus Odo comes” donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours, for the souls of “Theobaldi comitis quondam senioris mei…Richildis quondam sanctimonialis, eiusque filii Richardi episcopi” (referring to “dicti comitis et fratris sui Theobaldi”, in relation to Bishop Richard), by charter dated to [980][1322].
• "Hugonis ducis, Odonis comitis, Hugonis sanctæ Bituricensis archipræsulis, Letgardis comitissæ, Bertæ comitissæ, Gauzfridi vicecomitis…" subscribed the charter dated 985 under which "Robertus" donated property to "Sancti Petri Carnotensis", on the advice of "Odonem, simul cum sua matre Ledgarde, pariterque dominam meam Bertam, ipsius æque coniugem"[1323].
• The necrology of Chartres cathedral records the death "XVIII Kal Dec" of "Letgardis comitissa"[1324].
• m firstly ([940]) as his second wife, GUILLAUME I “Longuespée” Comte [de Normandie], son of ROBERT I [Rollo] Comte [de Normandie] & his [second] wife Poppa de Bayeux (-murdered Péquigny-sur-Somme 17 Dec 942, bur Rouen, cathédrale de Notre-Dame).
• m secondly ([942/45]) THIBAUT [II] "le Tricheur" Comte de Blois, son of THIBAUT [I] "l'Ancien" Comte de Blois, Vicomte de Tours & his first wife --- (-16 Jan [975/77]).

6. ROBERT (-after 19 Jun 966).

• "Rodberti filium Heriberti comitis" witnessed a charter of "Gauzfredus comes" dated Jul 940[1325].
• Under the division of territories organised after his father's death in 943, Robert became Comte de Meaux.
• He became Comte de Troyes in 956 on the death of his father-in-law, by right of his wife.

7. ADALBERT [Albert] (-8 Sep 987).

• Flodoard names "Adalbertus filius Heriberti"[1326].
• Under the division of territories organised after his father's death in 943, Albert became Comte de Vermandois.

References:

[1289] Settipani, C. and Kerrebrouck, P. van (1993) La préhistoire des Capétiens 481-987, 1ère partie, Mérovingiens, Carolingiens et Robertiens (Villeneuve d'Ascq), p. 224. [1290] Annals of Flodoard of Reims, quoted in Houts (2000), p. 45. [1291] McKitterick, R. (1983) Frankish Kingdoms under the Carolingians 751-987 (Longman, London and New York), p. 312. [1292] McKitterick (1983), p. 312. [1293] Flodoard 943, MGH SS III, p. 389. [1294] 'Obits mémorables tirés de nécrologes luxembourgeois, rémois et messins', Revue Mabillon VI (1910-1911), p. 273. [1295] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 920 and 988, MGH SS XXIII, pp. 756 and 774. [1296] Flodoard 944, MGH SS III, p. 390. [1297] Diplôme de Charles III, no 57, Lauer, quoted in Settipani (1993), p. 407. [1298] Flodoard 928, MGH SS III, p. 378. [1299] Settipani (1993), p. 226. [1300] Genealogiæ Comitum Flandriæ, Witgeri Genealogica Arnulfi Comitis MGH SS IX, p. 303. [1301] Flodoard 946, MGH SS III, p. 393. [1302] Nicholas, D. (1992) Medieval Flanders (Longman), p. 40. [1303] Lokeren, A. van (1868) Chartes et documents de l´abbaye de Saint Pierre au Mont Blandin à Gand (Gand) ("Gand Saint-Pierre") 22, p. 28. [1304] Gand Saint-Pierre 23, p. 29. [1305] Annales Blandinienses 960, MGH SS V, p. 25. [1306] Flodoard 951 and 952, MGH SS III, p. 401. [1307] Werner, K. F. (1967) 'Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen bis um das Jahr 1000 (1-8 Generation)', Karl der Große, IV, pp. 403-83, cited in Settipani (1993), p. 229. [1308] Bur, M. (1977) La formation du comte de Champagne, vers 950 - vers 1150 (Lille), p. 509, cited in Settipani (1993), p. 229. [1309] Havet, J. (ed.) (1889) Lettres de Gerbert 983-997 (Paris) ("Gerbert") 17, p. 13. [1310] Gerbert 59, p. 58. [1311] Gerbert 97, p. 89. [1312] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 989, MGH SS XXIII, p. 775. [1313] Birth date range estimated from the birth of Eadgifu's son in [920/21]. [1314] Flodoard 951, MGH SS III, p. 401. [1315] Flodoard 940, MGH SS III, p. 387. [1316] Annales Remenses 932, MGH SS XIII, p. 82. [1317] Settipani (1993), p. 227. [1318] Rodulfi Glabri, Historiarum III.39, p. 165. [1319] Hugonis Floriacensis, Liber qui Modernorum Regum Francorum continet Actus 9, MGH SS IX, p. 387. [1320] Chartres Saint-Père, Liber Primus, 130, p. 351. [1321] Chartres Saint-Père I, Liber Tertius, Cap. VIII, p. 63. [1322] Arbois de Jubainville, H. d´ (1859) Histoire des ducs et des comtes de Champagne Tome I (Paris), p. 461. [1323] Chartres Saint-Père I, Liber Tertius, Cap. XVIII, p. 77. [1324] Obituaires de Sens Tome II, Eglise cathédrale de Chartres, Nécrologe du xi siècle, p. 23. [1325] Cluny Tome I, 511, p. 496. [1326] Flodoard 949, MGH SS III, p. 399.

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Unattributed summary:

Married: Herbert II (884 – February 23, 943), Count of Vermandois and Count of Troyes, was the son of Herbert I of Vermandois.

Life He inherited the domain of his father and in 907, added to it the Saint de Soissons abbey. His marriage with Adela of France (also known as Liégarde) brought him the County of Meaux. In 918, he was also named Count of Mézerais and of the Véxin. With his cousin Bernard, Count of Beauvais and Senlis, he constituted a powerful group in the west of France, to the north and east of Paris. In 923, he imprisoned King Charles III in Chateau-Thierry, then in Péronne.

In 922, the Archbishop of Rheims, Seulf, called on Herbert II to reduce some of his vassals who were in rebellion against him. On the death of Seulf, in 925, with the help of King Rudolph, he acquired for his second son Hugh (then five years old) the archbishopric of Rheims, which had a large inheritance in France and Germany. In 926, on the death of Count Roger of Laon, Herbert demanded this County for Eudes, his eldest son. He settled there, initially against the will of King Rudolph and constructed a fortress there. Rudolph yielded to pressure to free king Charles III, whom Herbert still held in prison. In 930, Herbert took the castle of Vitry in Perthois at the expense of Boso, the brother of King Rudolph. Rudolph united his army with the army of Hugh, marquis of Neustria, and in 931, they entered Rheims and defeated Hugh, the son of Herbert. Artaud became the new archbishop of Reims. Herbert II then lost, in three years, Vitry, Laon, Chateau-Thierry, and Soissons. The intervention of his ally, Henry the Fowler, allowed him to restore his domains (except Rheims and Laon) in exchange for his submission to King Rudolph.

Later Herbert allied with Hugh the Great and William Longsword, duke of Normandy against King Louis IV, who allocated the County of Laon to Roger II, the son of Roger I, in 941. Herbert and Hugh the Great took back Rheims and captured Artaud. Hugh, the son of Herbert, was restored as archbishop. Again the mediation of the German King Otto I in Visé, near Liège, in 942 allowed for the normalization of the situation.

Death and legacy Herbert II died on 23 February 943 without having succeeded in building the principality of which he dreamed. His succession was reconciled by Hugh the Great, maternal uncle of his children. It took place in 946 and led to an equitable distribution between the sons of Herbert II: Herbert III, Robert, Albert, and Hugh (his other son Eudes died before 946). As for his girls, Adela was married to Arnulf I, count of Flanders, Luitgarde (widow of William Longsword) was married to Theobald I, count of Blois, the first lieutenant of Hugh. She brought to Theobald Provins and domains in the Mézerais.

Family He was first married to Adela, and then to Hildebrante of France (895-931), daughter of Robert I of France.

With Hildebrante, he had 7 children:

Adele of Vermandois (910-960), married 934 Count Arnulf I of Flanders, also a descendant of Charlemagne Eudes of Vermandois, Count of Amiens and of Vienne, (910-946) Herbert "the Elder", Count of Meaux and of Troyes (-993) Robert of Vermandois, Count of Meaux and Chalons (-968) Adalbert I, Count of Vermandois (915-987), married Gerberga of Lorraine, also a descendant of Charlemagne Luitgarde of Vermandois (ca 920-978), married 943 Theobald I of Blois Hugh of Vermandois (died 962), Archbishop of Reims

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From Waldemar O. Wensell's research (labels father as "Robert II de Neustria" and husband as "Heribert II de Vermandois, but concludes the name is "Hildebrante" - sole source cited is the Europaische Stammtafeln, see earlier Medlands explanation): http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=wensell&id=I1370

1. Hildebrante (Adele) DE FRANCE
2. Given Name: Hildebrante (Adele)
3. Surname: de France
4. Sex: F 1
5. Birth: 887
6. Death: MAR 931

Father: Robert II DE NEUSTRIA b: AFT 866 Mother: Aelis

Marriage 1 Heribert II DE VERMANDOIS Married: 907

Children

1. Adele DE VERMANDOIS b: 910 (children exist) 2. Robert DE TROYES (children exist) 3. Adalbert DE VERMANDOIS b: 915 (children exist) 4. Ledgard DE VERMANDOIS (children exist)

Sources:

1. Abbrev: ES Title: Europaische Stammtafeln Author: Schwennicke, Detlev Publication: Marburg: J. A. Stargardt, 1980- Page: II:10

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From Larry Voyer's research (labels father as Robert I of France, husband as Herbert II Senlis de Vermandois, and carries three variations on this person's name Adela, Hildebrante, Liegarde): http://larryvoyer.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I121748&tree=v7_28

Adela Hildebrante Liegarde CAPET, of NEUSTRIA Suffix of NEUSTRIA Birth Abt 887 Of Bretagne, Brittany, France Find all individuals with events at this location Gender Female Birth Abt 895 Vermandois, , Normandy, France Find all individuals with events at this location Birth Abt 897 Of, Vermandois, Normandy, France Find all individuals with events at this location [1, 2] Died Aft 931 [3] Person ID I121748 voyer_7_28_2008 Last Modified 17 Feb 2010

Father Robert I ROBERTIEN, of FRANCE, b. 860, Bourgogne, Marne, Aisne, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 15 Jun 923, Soissons, France Find all individuals with events at this location Mother Beatrice De VERMANDOIS, of FRANCE, b. Abt 877, Of, Vermandois, Normandy, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. Aft Mar 930/31 Married 890 Family ID F27997 Group Sheet

Family Count Herbert II Senlis De VERMANDOIS, b. Abt 885, Of, Vermandois, Normandy, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 23 Feb 941/42, St. Quentin, Pas-de-Calais, France Find all individuals with events at this location Married Bef 907 , , , France Find all individuals with events at this location Married Bef 907 , France Find all individuals with events at this location [2]

Children

1. Count Palatine Herbert "The Elder" Comte De VERMANDOIS, b. Abt 907, Meaux, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 984 2. Adaele De VERMANDOIS, b. Abt 910, Vermandois, Neustria Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 10 Oct 960, Bruges, Aquitaine, France Find all individuals with events at this location 3. Adela of BRITTANY, b. Abt 911, Bretagne, Normandy, France Find all individuals with events at this location

4. Sprota (Adela) De Senlis VERMANDOIS,   b. Abt 913, Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 945
5. Count Albert I De VERMANDOIS,   b. Abt 915, Vermandois, Normandy, France Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 8 Sep 987, St. Quentin, Flanders, France Find all individuals with events at this location
6. Count Robert I De VERMANDOIS,   b. Abt 918, Of, Vermandois, Normandy, France Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 29 Aug 968
7. Duchess Ledgarde De VERMANDOIS,   b. Abt 920, Of, Vermandois, Neustria Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 27 May 977
8. Count Renaud De Rheims De ROUCY,   b. Abt 931, Of, Reims, Marne, France Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 15 Mar 972/73
9. Hersende De RAMERUPT,   b. Abt 938

Sources:

1. [S708] Plantagenet ancestry of King Edward III and Queen. 2. [S670] De La Pole.FTW. 3. [S283] Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Fre.

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From Darryl Lundy's Peerage page on Liegarde de France (Forrás / Source): http://www.thepeerage.com/p818.htm#i8180

Liégarde de France (1) F, #8180 Last Edited=30 May 2009

Liégarde de France is the daughter of Robert I, Roi de France. (1) She married Heribert II, Comte de Vermandois, son of Heribert I, Comte de Vermandois. (1)

Children of Liégarde de France and Heribert II, Comte de Vermandois -1. Luitgarda de Vermandois (2) -2. Adela de Vermandois+ d. 960 (2) -3. Robert, Comte de Troyes+ d. c 975 (1) -4. Eudes, Comte d'Amiens b. 915, d. a 946 (2) -5. Hugues, Comte de Reims b. 920, d. 962 (2) -6. Heribert III, Comte d'Omois b. 927, d. bt 980 - 984 (2) -7. Albert I, Comte de Vermandois+ b. 934, d. 987 (2)

Citations

1. [S102] Roglo Geneweb Website, online <http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=en>. Hereinafter cited as Roglo Geneweb Website.

2. [S130] Wikipedia, online http;//www.wikipedia.org. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.

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According to the Wikipedia page on Herbert II de Vermandois, Adela was a first wife, while Hildebrante was the mother of Herbert's children: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_II_of_Vermandois

He was first married to Adela, and then to Hildebrante of France (895-931), daughter of Robert I of France.

With Hildebrante, Herbert II Count of Vermandois had 7 children:

1. Adele of Vermandois (910-960), married 934 Count Arnulf I of Flanders (890-964), also a descendant of Charlemagne 2. Eudes (Odo) of Vermandois, Count of Amiens and of Vienne, (b.910-r.915-946) 3. Herbert III "the Elder", Count of Omois (r.927-993) 4. Robert I of Vermandois, Count of Meaux and Châlons (r.932-968) 5. Adalbert I, Count of Vermandois (b.915-r.934-d.987), married Gerberga of Lorraine, also a descendant of Charlemagne 6. Luitgarde of Vermandois (ca 920-978), married 937 to William I Longsword (d. 942), then in 943 Theobald I "The Cheater" of Blois 7. Hugh of Vermandois (920-962), first Count, then Archbishop of Reims

External links

Comtes de Vermandois http://fjaunais.free.fr/h0vermandois.htm

Count of Vermandois 907–943 Preceded by Herbert I Succeeded by Adalbert I

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Hildebrant is not listed in either the French or German Wikipedia pages, but is listed in one of German Wikipedia's sources: http://www.mittelalter-genealogie.de/heribertiner/heribert_2_graf_von_vermandois_943.html

Brandenburg Erich: Tafel 1

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"Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen" VI. Generation 3. --- Heribert II, Graf von Vermandois --------------

• ca. 880/90, + 943

Gemahlin: N. (wohl Tochter des Gegen-Königs Robert I. von Frankreich)

Anmerkungen: Seite 116 ------------------ Heribert II.

kommt urkundlich zuerst 30.V.914 vor, Mabille, Chron. d'Anjou XCVIII; er erhielt außer Vermandois die Grafschaft Troyes (Champagne), wahrscheinlich 937 (Lot, Hugues Capet 328) und starb wohl Anfang des Jahres 943; vgl. die Zusammenstellung der verschiedenen Berichte über seinen Tod bei Lauer, Louis de Outremer Seite 292f. Die Geburtszeit ist nur ganz ungefähr zu vermuten. Seine Gemahlin, deren Name unbekannt ist (der Name Hildebrande erscheint erst in ganz späten Nachrichten), war doch mit größter Wahrscheinlichkeit eine Tochter des Königs Robert I. von Frankreich und Schwester Hugos des Großen von Francien. Zusammenstellung der Zeugnisse bei Arbois de Jubainville, Comtes de Champ. I, 76f.; vgl. Manteyer, Orig. de la maison de Savoye 456. Am wichtigsten: Folcvini cartul. Sithieux n. 70 (ed. Guerard): "Hugonem jamdicti Rotberti regis filium, illinc Heribertum ejusdem generum"; Flodoard S. S. 446 nennt Hugo den avunculus Heriberts, und Witger, Gen. S. Arnulphi S. S. 5, 302f. nennt Heriberts II.Tochter "duorum Francorum regum, Odonis scilicet et Roberti neptem". Da auch das Erscheinen der capetingischen Namen Eudes (Odo), Hugo und Robert in Heriberts Deszendenz diese Angaben bekräftigt, scheint mir zu einem Zweifel kein Grund vorhanden. Dagegen taucht die Angabe, daß auch König Robert I. mit einer Schwester Heriberts II. oder I. (angeblich Beatrix genant) vermählt gewesen sein soll, die sich vielfach in neueren Werken findet (zum Beispiel von Behr, Geneal. der in Europa regierenden Fürstenhäuser, Tafel 179), erst zwei Jahrhunderte später auf und ist schon deshalb zu verwerfen, weil sonst Heribert II. die Tochter seiner Schwester oder Tante geheiratet haben würde, was nach den kirchlichen Vorschriften völlig ausgeschlossen war. [VI 3]

• Ergänzung (Werner): + 23.II.943, 900/07 Graf von Meaux, Soissons, Vermandois, Abt von St. Crepin und St. Medard

Gemahlin: vor 907 Adela, Tochter des Herzogs Robert von Neustrien (siehe VI 3 a).

The main text in English:

Heribert II is documented before 30 May 914 before Mabille, Chronicles of Anjou XCVIII. He was from the Vermandois, the County of Troyes (in Champagne), probably becoming count in 937 (Lot, Hugues Capet, 328), and probably died early in 943. See the compilation of various reports of his death at Lauer, Louis d'Outremer, pg. 292f.

The date of birth is presumed.

His wife, whose name is unknown (Hildebrant appears only in later sources), was most likely the daughter of King Robert I of France, and sister of Hugh the Great of France, [machine translation begins to become unclear] according to Arbois de Jubainville, Comte Champagne, I, 76f; see Manteyer, originally of the House of Savoy, 456th most important: Folcvini cartul. Sithiuex n. 70 (ed. Guerard), "Hugon jamdicti Rotberti regis filium, illinc Heribertum ejusdem generum"; Flodoard SS 446 calls Hugo the avunculus Hereward, and Witges, S. Gen Arnulphi SS 5, 302, called Hereward II "daughter duorum Francorum" regnum, Odonis scilicet et Roberti Nept. Since the appearance in the land starting from Eudes (Odo), Hugu, and Robert descent from Hereward is confirmed by this information, and I have no reason to doubt it. On the other hand, it appears that to state that even King Robert I with his sister Hereward II or I (supposedly Beatrix Genant) was said to be married, which often is found in recent works (for example, Behr, General, the reigning royal houses of Europe, 179), until two centuries later, on panel and is therefore already rejected because otherwise Heribert II, the daughter of his sister or aunt would have married, which the church would not have allowed after [VI 3].

Wife: in 907 Adela, daughter of Duke Robert of Neustria (see VI 3a).

In the same source, Werner, Karl Ferdinand likewise points to a later tradition that her name was Hildebrand:

Zu Heribert II. Werner Untersuchung 100,106ff (ebd. Anm. 82 zum Todestag, der bei Brandenburg fehlt), mit dem Nachweis, daß er die Grafschaft Troyes noch nicht besaß - sie wurde erst von seinem Sohn Robert erworben. Über die von Heribert I. ererbten Grafschaften ebd. 94ff. Brandenburg, der die erste urkundliche Erwähnung Heriberts als Laienabt von S-Medard de Soissons, der alten KAROLINGER-Abtei, nicht kannte (907 XI 6, Receuil des actes de Charles III le Simple, ed. Ph. Lauer, nr. 58), bejaht mit Recht die Ehe Heriberts mit einer ROBERTINERIN, einer Schwester Hugos des Großen, und nennt dazu entsprechende Belege. Ihr Name war ihm unbekannt, zu Recht wies er die spätere Tradition einer "Hildebrande" zurück. Ich glaube jene ROBERTINERIN zu erkennen in Adela comitissa, die im Diplom Karls III. von 907 V 21 (ed. Lauer, nr. 57) unmittelbar zusammen mit ihrem Vater, Robert, dem späteren König, genannt wird, vor dann folgenden anderen Grafen! (Die Intervenientenliste nennt zunächst die Königin, Frederun, und eine andere Angehörige der karolingischen Familie, die Äbtissin Gisla, dann ... venerandi comitis Rotberti et Adele comitisse, dann die anderen Grafen). Diese Annhame ist um so berechtigter, als der Rechtsakt, um den es geht, die Schenkung der Abtei Rebais in der Grafschaft Meaux (deren Graf Heribert war) an die Pariser Kirche, eben den Grafen Heribert II. angeht, in dessen Abwesenheit für ihn seine Gattin, die Tochter Roberts, auftritt. Durch die von uns erschlossene Gattin Heriberts II. kam der Name Adela in das Haus VERMANDOIS. Schon in der nächsten Generation kommt er über Heriberts II. Tochter Adela ins Haus FLANDERN. Vgl. auch Werner, Unters. 96, Anm. 35.

In English:

Werner's investigation of Herbert II 100.106 et seq (ibid n. 82 for his death, which is absent in Brandenburg), with evidence that he was not from the County of Troyes, but obtained it by purchase from Robert. He inherited counties from Herbert I, 94ff. Brandenberg. The first mention of Hereward is as Lay Abbot of St-Menard de Soissons, the old Carolingian abbey (907 XI 6, Reports of the Acts of Charles III the Simple, ed. Ph. Lauer, nr. 58) affirming the right to marriage of Hereward with a Robertian, a sister of Hugo the Great, and refers to supporting documents. Her name was unknown to him, and he pointed to later traditions of Hildebrand. I think the Robertian seen in Countess Adela was from a diploma of Charles III. In 907, VI 21 (ed. Lauer, nr. 57) directly with her father, Robert, who later became king, is called before then as following other Counts. (This source initially called the Queen Frederun, and other members of the Carolingian family, the Abbess Gisla, then.. .venerandi Comitis Rotberti et comitisse Adele, then the other counts). In this, Annhame is more justified about the act at issue, the gift of the Abbey of Meaux Rebais in the county (ruled by Count Heribert) to the Church in Paris, through which Count Heribert II is concerned, in that he was lacking a wife, and so the daughter of Robert took this position. By this, we determined from his wife Hereward II that the name Adela emerged in the House of Vermandois. Even in the next generation, Hereward II's daughter Adela of Flanders enters into the house. See also Werner, Unters. 96, n. 35th. ------------------------ From the Celtic Casimir online family tree: http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/2/3029.htm

Hildebrante (Liegarde, Adele) CAPET Princess of the Franks [574],[758],[1030] Born: Abt 897, Vermandois, Neustria Married: Before 907, Vermandois, Austrasia Died: 931, France Ancestral File Number: 9G82-K9.

General Notes: Tompsett (http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/gedlkup/n=royal?royal07350 - no longer a functional link) has Adela as the wife of Herbert II de Vermandois by Robert I and his second wife Beatrix. This differs from Weis (Line 48-19) who has Liegarde, daughter of Herbert II by Robert I and his first wife Aelis. The lineage reported here follows that provided by Weis. [758]

Marriage Information: Hildebrante married Herbert II DE VERMANDOIS Comte de Troyes et de Vermandois, son of Cte Herbert I DE VERMANDOIS and Countess Bertha (Beatrice) DE MORVOIS of France, before 907 in Vermandois, Austrasia. (Herbert II DE VERMANDOIS Comte de Troyes et de Vermandois was born in 884 in Vermandois, Normandy, France [758],[1031], died on 23 Feb 942-943 in St Quentin, Aisne, France [758],[1030] and was buried in St Quentin, Pas-DE-Calais, France [758].)

References:

574. David Blocher <dblocher at home.com>, (WorldConnect at Rootsweb) 758. (WorldConnect at Rootsweb), http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=emsuggs&id=I30222&style=TABLE - no longer correctly linked. 1030. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition , by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippar d Jr., 1999, 50-18, 48-19 1031. Ibid, 50-18

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Unattributed summary:

Princess Hildebrante of France was born about 0897, lived in Vermandois, Neustria and died after 0931 . Princess Hildebrante married Count Herbert II de Vermandois before 0907 in France. Count Herbert was born about 0884, lived in Vermandois, Neustria. He was the son of Count Herbert I de Vermandois and Bertha of Morvois. He died on 23 Feb 0943 in St. Quentin .

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Tracy Crocker's research (has her as daughter of Robert I Count of Poitiers and husband of Herbert II Count de Vermandois... calls her Liegarde based on a secondary source by Frederick Lewis Weiss): http://www.tracycrocker.com/p121.htm#i4161

Liegarde (Hildebrante -Adela) of Neustria F

Liegarde was born.[1] She was the daughter of Robert I Count of Poitiers and Beatrix. She married Herbert II Count deVermandois.[1]

Children of Liegarde (Hildebrante -Adela) of Neustria and Herbert II Count deVermandois:

1. Odo (?) b. c 910, d. 19 Jun 9462 2. Adela de Vermandois+ b. c 910, d. 960 3. Herbert (?) b. c 910, d. c 9802 4. Robert Count of Troyes and Meau+ b. c 910, d. c 967 5. Albert I, "The Pious" (?) Count of Vermandois+ b. c 915, d. c 9872 6. Hugo (?) b. c 920, d. 9622

Citations

1. [S39] Frederick Lewis Weis and Jr. assisted by: David Faris with additions and Corrections by: Walter Lee Sheppard, Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists~who came to New England between 1623 and 1650 The lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and some of their Descendants, line 118 pg 106.

2. [S587] Siegfried Rosch, Caroli Magni Progenies, p.124. ---

Unattributed summary

Adela (Liégarde) of France is the daughter of Robert I King of West Francia. She married Herbert II Count de Vermandois, son of Herbert I Count of Vermandois and Bertha de Morvois.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_II_of_Vermandois

Herbert II, Count of Vermandois From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Herbert II of Vermandois) Jump to: navigation, search Herbert II (884 – February 23, 943), Count of Vermandois and Count of Troyes, was the son of Herbert I of Vermandois.

Contents [hide] 1 Life 2 Death and legacy 3 Family 4 External links

[edit] Life He inherited the domain of his father and in 907, added to it the Saint de Soissons abbey. His marriage with Adela of France (also known as Liégarde) brought him the County of Meaux. In 918, he was also named Count of Mézerais and of the Véxin. With his cousin Bernard, Count of Beauvais and Senlis, he constituted a powerful group in the west of France, to the north and east of Paris. In 923, he imprisoned King Charles III in Château-Thierry, then in Péronne.

In 922, the Archbishop of Rheims, Seulf, called on Herbert II to reduce some of his vassals who were in rebellion against him. On the death of Seulf, in 925, with the help of King Rudolph, he acquired for his second son Hugh (then five years old) the archbishopric of Rheims, which had a large inheritance in France and Germany. In 926, on the death of Count Roger of Laon, Herbert demanded this County for Eudes, his eldest son. He settled there, initially against the will of King Rudolph and constructed a fortress there. Rudolph yielded to pressure to free king Charles III, whom Herbert still held in prison. In 930, Herbert took the castle of Vitry-en-Perthois at the expense of Boso, the brother of King Rudolph. Rudolph united his army with the army of Hugh, marquis of Neustria, and in 931, they entered Rheims and defeated Hugh, the son of Herbert. Artaud became the new archbishop of Reims. Herbert II then lost, in three years, Vitry, Laon, Château-Thierry, and Soissons. The intervention of his ally, Henry the Fowler, allowed him to restore his domains (except Rheims and Laon) in exchange for his submission to King Rudolph.

Later Herbert allied with Hugh the Great and William Longsword, duke of Normandy against King Louis IV, who allocated the County of Laon to Roger II, the son of Roger I, in 941. Herbert and Hugh the Great took back Rheims and captured Artaud. Hugh, the son of Herbert, was restored as archbishop. Again the mediation of the German King Otto I in Visé, near Liège, in 942 allowed for the normalization of the situation.

[edit] Death and legacy Herbert II died on 23 February 943 without having succeeded in building the principality of which he dreamed. His succession was reconciled by Hugh the Great, maternal uncle of his children. It took place in 946 and led to an equitable distribution between the sons of Herbert II: Herbert III, Robert, Albert, and Hugh (his other son Eudes died before 946). As for his girls, Adela was married to Arnulf I, count of Flanders, Luitgarde (widow of William Longsword) was married to Theobald I, count of Blois, the first lieutenant of Hugh. She brought to Theobald Provins and domains in the Mézerais.

[edit] Family He was first married to Adela, and then to Hildebrante of France (895-931), daughter of Robert I of France.

With Hildebrante, he had 7 children:

Adele of Vermandois (910-960), married 934 Count Arnulf I of Flanders, also a descendant of Charlemagne Eudes of Vermandois, Count of Amiens and of Vienne, (910-946) Herbert "the Elder", Count of Meaux and of Troyes (-993) Robert of Vermandois, Count of Meaux and Châlons (-968) Adalbert I, Count of Vermandois (915-987), married Gerberga of Lorraine, also a descendant of Charlemagne Luitgarde of Vermandois (ca 920-978), married 943 Theobald I of Blois Hugh of Vermandois (died 962), Archbishop of Reims

[edit] External links Comtes de Vermandois

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Adela Hildebrante was born in of Vermandois, , Normandy, France. Adela Hildebrante's father was Robert I France and her mother was Aelis deFrance. She was an only child. She died in 931 in Saint Quentin, Aisne, Picardie, France. -------------------- She died sometime after March 930 -------------------- http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/2/3029.htm