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Alice (Adeliza) de Meschines (a.k.a. de Gernon), of Chester

Nicknames: "Adeliza", "Adelize", "Alice de Gernons /le Meschines/", "Adeliza /De Meschines/", "Alice De Gernons /Le Meschines/"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Hertford, Herefordshire, England
Death: Died in Skelton, Yorkshire, England
Immediate Family:

Daughter of Ranulph III "de Briquessart" le Meschin, Earl of Chester and Lucy Thoroldsdottir, Countess of Chester
Wife of Richard de Clere; Robert de Condet (Cundy), Lord of Thorngate and Richard FitzGilbert, Lord of Clare
Mother of Roger "the Good" de Clare, Earl of Hertford; Roger de Cundy, Lord of Coventry; Isabel Bardolf; Gilbert FitzRichard de Clare, Earl of Hertford; Mable de Clare and 7 others
Sister of Agnes de Meschines, of Chester and Ranulf de Gernon, 2nd Earl of Chester
Half sister of William de Roumare, Earl of Lincoln, Baron of Kendall, Lord of Bolingbroke

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About Alice (Adeliza) de Meschines (a.k.a. de Gernon), of Chester

Alice (Adeliza) de Meschines, of Chester

Daughter of Ranulph II de Briquessart "le Meschin" de Bayeux, count of Chester, and Lucy Thoroldsdottir, Countess of Chester:

married (1) Richard FitzGilbert de Clare

children:

  • Gilbert
  • Roger
  • Godfrey
  • Adelisa (m. William de Percy)
  • Richard
  • Rohese (m. Gilbert de Gand and Robert FitzRobert)
  • Agnes (m. Richard Scrope)
  • Alice (m. Cadwalladyr ap Gruffydd)
  • Lucy (m. Baldwin de Redviers)

married (2) Roger de Condé [Cundet]

children:

  • Roger
  • Robert
  • Isabel

From FMG Medieval Lands database:

ALICE (-after 1139). Guillaume de Jumièges records that Richard [FitzGilbert de Clare] married "la sœur de Ranulfe le jeune comte de Chester"[100]. The History of Gloucester St Peter records the confirmation by "Ranulphus comes Cestriæ" of the donation of "molendinum de Taddewelle" by "Alicia soror eius" for the soul of "Ricardi filii Gilberti viri sui" (undated)[101]. “Rics filius Gilebi” donated lands in Hawkedon, Suffolk to the abbey of St Edmunds, with the consent of “Rogs…filius me…et coiux mea Xpiana”, by undated charter[102]. This charter is attributed to Richard FitzGilbert in Collectanea Topographica et Genealogica and dated to 1154, which must be incorrect in view of Richard´s recorded death in 1136. The reference to his wife´s name as Christiana cannot be explained. It does not appear that Richard married twice, assuming that the sources quoted here are accurate. The extract from the History of Gloucester St Peter suggests that his wife “Alice of Chester” survived her husband, while the St Edmunds charter shows that “Christiana” was alive after Richard´s son Roger was old enough to consent to the donation. She was rescued from the Welsh by Miles of Gloucester[103]. A charter of Henry Duke of Normandy dated [1153/early Apr 1154] relates to donations to Gloucester by "Ranulphi comitis Cestrie…[et] Alis sororis eiusdem comitis" for the soul of "Ricardi filii Gilberti viri sui""[104]. It is not clear from the document how long before the date of the charter these donations were made.

m [firstly] RICHARD FitzGilbert de Clare, son of GILBERT FitzRichard Lord of Clare & his wife Adelais de Roucy (-killed in battle near Abergavenny 15 Apr 1136, bur Gloucester). 105]

Maybe m secondly ROGER de Condé [Cundet], son of --- (-10 Oct [1139/45]).]

Richard deClare & his wife Alice had [ten] children:

1. GILBERT (-[1152/53], bur Clare Priory). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Gilbert et ses frères" as the three sons of Richard & his wife[619]. He was created Earl of Hertford in [1138]. The Annals of Tewkesbury record that “comes de Clare” died in 1153[620]. Robert of Torigny records the death in 1153 of "Gislebertus filius Ricardi" and his burial "apud Claram"[621].

2. ROGER (-1173). Robert of Torigny records that "Rogerius frater eius" succeeded on the death in 1153 of "Gislebertus filius Ricardi"[622]. He succeeded his brother in 1153 as Earl of Hertford.

3. GODFREY de Clare (-young, bur Stoke-by-Clare Priory[623]).

4. [ADELISA de Tonbridge (-before 1166). “Mathildis de Percy comitissa de Warwic, filia Willielmi de Perci” donated property to Sawley abbey, for the souls of “…patris mei Willielmi de Percy et Adalidis de Tunbrige matris meæ…”, by undated charter[624]. The reference to Tonbridge suggests that she may have been a member of the Clare family. If this is correct, the chronology suggests that she would have been the daughter of Richard FitzGilbert. “Willielmus de Percy” donated property to Sawley abbey, with the consent of “Adelidæ uxoris meæ et Alani hæredis mei”, by undated charter, witnessed by “…Roberto de Percy…”[625]. m as his first wife, WILLIAM de Percy, son of ALAN de Percy & his wife Emma de Gant (-[1174/75]).]

5. RICHARD (-1190). [626]m as her first husband, ALINE Lady of Sampford, daughter and heiress of GEOFFREY FitzBaldwin & his wife Alice ---. She married secondly Hugh de Clohale.

6. ROHESE de Clare . A manuscript genealogy of the Gant family records that “Gilbertus”, son of “Walterus”, married “Roesiam comitissam Lincolniæ”, adding that she married secondly "Roberto dapifero" by whom she was mother of "Roesia de Bulington nupta Simoni de Kyma"[627]. m firstly GILBERT de Gand Earl of Lincoln, son of WALTER de Gand & his wife Matilda de Penthièvre [Bretagne] (Bridlington [1120]-1156, bur [Bridlington Priory]). m secondly ([1157/63][628]) ROBERT FitzRobert, son of ROBERT FitzFulk & his wife ---. Dapifer of William de Percy.

7. AGNES de Clare . Her parentage and marriage are confirmed by the charter dated to [1184/85] under which “Aliz de Gant comitissa filia Gilberti de Gant” confirmed land held by his ancestors in Barton (upon-Humber) to “Roberto Scrop de Barton, filio Ricardi Scrop et filio Agnetis matertere mee”[629]. m RICHARD Scrope of Barton, Lincolnshire, son of --- (-before 1166).

8. ALICE de Clare . [630]m CADWALADR ap Gruffydd of Gwynedd, son of GRUFFYDD ap Cynan King of Gwynedd & his wife Angharad of Deheubarth (-Mar 1172).

9. [LUCY de Clare (-after 1155). Domesday Descendants cites a charter under which “Lucy” donated property to Stoke-by-Clare priory for the souls of her husband Earl Baldwin and Earl Gilbert, endorsed “Carta de comitissa de Clara”, suggesting her marriage and parentage as shown here[631]. m as his second wife, BALDWIN de Reviers Earl of Devon, son of RICHARD Seigneur de Reviers & his wife Adelise Peverel (-4 Jun 1155, bur Quarr Abbey).]

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Robert de CONDET [Parents] 1, 2 was born 1106 in Wickhambreux, Kent, England. He died 10 Oct 1141 in South Carlton, Lincolnshire, England. Robert married Adeliza la MESCHIN on 1137 in South Carlton, Lincolnshire, England.

Adeliza la MESCHIN [Parents] 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 was born 1099 in Gernon Castle, Normandie, France. She married Robert de CONDET on 1137 in South Carlton, Lincolnshire, England.

   Other marriages:
       CLARE, Richard FitzGilbert de

They had the following children:

     		M 	i 	Roger de CONDET was born 1138 and died 1201.
     		M 	ii 	Robert de CONDET 1 was born 1139 in South Carlton, Lincolnshire, England.
     		F 	iii 	Isabel de CONDET was born 1141.

Sources:

   1Weis, Frederick Lewis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (7th ed., Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1992.), 132D-27, 246B-25, Los Angeles Public Library, Gen 974 W426 1992.
   2Cokayne, George Edward, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct, or Dormant (London: St. Catherine Press, 1910.), 3:243, 7:672, Los Angeles Public Library, 929.721 C682.
   3Weis, Frederick Lewis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 (5th ed., Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1999.), pp. 153-2, Los Angeles Public Library, 929.273 W426 1999.
   4Mary & John Clearing House (Burton W. Spear, Editor), "Agnes Harris," Search for the Passengers of the 'Mary & John,' (1997) (Toledo, Ohio.), 26:93.
   5Keats-Rohan, K.S.B., Domesday Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166 (Rochester, New York: The Boydell Press, 2002.), pp. 246, 425, Library of Congress, DA177 .K4 2002.
   6Sanders, Ivor John, English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327 (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.), p. 35 note 1, Los Angeles Public Library, 929.722 S215.
   7Farrer, William, Honors and Knights' Fees (London: Spottiswoode, Ballantyne & Co., Ltd., 1923.), 2:182, Library of Congress, HD594 .F3.
   8Roberts, Gary Boyd, The Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants to the American Colonies or the United States (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2004.), p. 548, Family History Library, 273 D2rrd.
   9Nichols, John Gough (Editor), "The Earldom of Lincoln," The Topographer and Genealogist, Vol. 1 (1846) (London: Society of Antiquaries, 1846-1858.), p. 17, Los Angeles Public Library.
   10Curfman, Robert Joseph, "The Yale Descent from Braiose & Clare through Pigott of Buckinghamshire," The American Genealogist 56:1 (Jan 1980), p. 3, Los Angeles Public Library.

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Richard de Clare, 1st Earl of Hertford

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By Alice (Adeliza/Adelize de Gernon/de Briquessar?), married 1116, (c. 1102-1128), daughter of Ranulph le Meschin, 1st Earl of Chester and the heiress Lucy of Bolingbroke.

Gilbert Fitz Richard de Clare 1115 1153 2nd Earl of Hertford.

Alice de Clare (Adelize de Tonbridge) 1117 Unknown m. (1) Sir William de Percy, Lord of Topcliffe, about 1133, son of Alan de Percy and Emma de Gant; (2) Cadwaladr ap Gruffydd, brother of Owain Gwynedd.

Robert Fitz Richard de Clare 1119 Unknown Perhaps died in childhood.

Rohese de Clare 1120 Unknown

Roger de Clare 1122 1173 3rd Earl of Hertford.

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Roger FitzReinfrid was born circa 1114.2 He married first Rohese de Clare, daughter of Richard FitzGilbert de Clare and Adeliz le Meschin.1 Roger FitzReinfrid married second Alice de Breton, daughter of Lewis Brito.2 Roger died after 1198.2

http://www.lawrencefamhis.com/ashton-o/p2573.htm#i64310

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Alice (Adeliza) de Meschines, of Chester's Timeline

1094
1094
Hertford, Herefordshire, England
1110
1110
Age 16
1112
1112
Age 18
Hereford (Herefordshire) England
1115
1115
Age 21
Tunbridge Castle, Kent, England
1116
1116
Age 22
Woodham Walter,Essex,England
1116
Age 22
Tunbridge Castle, Kent England
1120
1120
Age 26
Clare, Suffolk, England
1120
Age 26
Tunbridge (Tonbridge), Kent, England
1128
1128
Age 34
Skelton, Yorkshire, England
1132
1132
Age 34
Coventry, Lincolnshire, England