widow Joos Lee

Joos Lee

• FEMALE (Josephine)
• Birth: abt 1570, , Holland, the Netherlands (Is this date supported?)
• Death: 8 Jul 1671, Leyden, South Holland, the Netherlands (Is this supported?)
• Parents: unknown

warning: this may be a fictional profile

family

Married unknown; she is known in history as "the widow Joos Lee"

Children

1. Samuel (~1598-?)
2. William (~1606-?)
3. Bridget Lee

notes

She was not the mother of Tryphosa Tracy

http://capecodgenes.com/web%20cards/ps08/ps08_295.html (SIC: identifies Joo as a man)

19 "Bridget Lee, single woman, also from England, accompanied by Josephine Lee, her mother [sic]" [MD 8:129-30].

sources

From http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2001-11/...

There is also a question regarding Tryphosa Lee on the newsgroup soc.genealogy.britain posted 2001-09-07 regarding a possible link to U. S. Grant.

The source shown as connecting Tryphosa Lee to Anne Hungerford is stated to be "Aelteste Genealogie der Familie Bischoff" in Basel. It supposedly reports (according to the newsgroup posting)

"Husband: Joos Lee, born 1570 "of Leiden, South Holland, Holland." He married, about 1590, in England, to Anne Hungerford. Joos died 8 Jul 1671 at Leiden, South Holland, Holland. Anne was born at Farleigh Hungerford. Their child: Tryphosa Lee born 1596-1599 in Leiden. She married 2 Jan 1619/20 in Leiden to Stephen Tracy. She died 1655 at Plymouth, MA."

Comment: This is not possible. The Anne Hungerford born in the 1570s died as a child, and Joos Lee was a woman (AKA Josephine, mother of Bridget Lee). -- EH September 2014

notes

19 "Bridget Lee, single woman, also from England, accompanied by Josephine Lee, her mother [sic]" [MD 8:129-30].

From Who was Tryphosa/Trifasa Lee(Le):

She was the wife of Stephen Tracy--their betrothal is recorded in the records of Leyden.(Image) Beyond that the intriguing record of her life invites a lot of speculation--even that she could have been related to the vanished Nicholas Lee.

First of all, the targetted list of Pilgrim marriages (see below) shows that the Pilgrim Lees were associated by marriage with Samuel Fuller. (He married Bridget Lee, daughter of Josephine Lee and sister of Samuel Lee.) There is also a John Lee and a Jane Lee in Leyden.(See the marriage and guarantor lists.) Tryphosa Lee is not known to be related to the other Lees.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2001-11/...

Yes they (and I) can all be wrong, based on some common erroneous  source recklessly propagated. But the wide acceptance of the 
parentage makes it worthy of investigation rather than of summary  dismissal. And it is a very important issue, because Anne Hungerford  may prove to be a gateway to English and Spanish royalty.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2001-11/...

Unfortunately, they can't agree as to where Tryphosa was born, in either  Great Yarmouth, England, or Leiden in the Netherlands. 

The baptismal registers for Yarmouth begin in 1558, and they've been put into the IGI. That source shows no extracted [ie, original] baptism for  Tryphosa there. There's a chance that a gap exists in the register, but more likely, she wasnt baptized there [I looked at it once years ago, and it seemed to be complete]. 

Some of the sources you listed show Joos Lee living up to about 100 years old in the Netherlands. Its unfortunate that no one provides any documentation.

From http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2001-11/...

There is also a question regarding Tryphosa Lee on the newsgroup  soc.genealogy.britain posted 2001-09-07 regarding a possible link to U. S. Grant.

The source shown as connecting Tryphosa Lee to Anne Hungerford is stated to be "Aelteste Genealogie der Familie Bischoff" in Basel. It supposedly reports (according to the newsgroup posting)

"Husband: Joos Lee, born 1570 "of Leiden, South Holland, Holland." He  married, about 1590, in England, to Anne Hungerford. Joos died 8 Jul 1671 at Leiden, South Holland, Holland. Anne was born at Farleigh Hungerford. Their child: Tryphosa Lee born 1596-1599 in Leiden. She married 2 Jan 1619/20 in Leiden to Stephen Tracy. She died 1655 at Plymouth, MA."

Maybe this is something that can be verified. Maybe it is just junk.

From http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2001-11/...

The Basel Document appears to be a genealogical chart of the Bischoff  (Bishop) family which is in the Library at the University at Basel,  Switzerland. I e-mailed and received a response back from the library that the document is there but based on the dates it isn't likely that there is anything on Tryphosa in it as I was assured that there was nothing in the 17th century at all.

The Lee part of Tryphosa appears also to be conjecture as the photocopy of the marriage document that can be found on the web shows only Le ---- looks like Le or maybe it is Li but it doesn't appear to be clearly Lee. 

It looks like somebody put two and two together and came up with what had to be the last name because it would fit with the others in the group. There is a Lisle in the same group who was known as Lee so it is possible that Tryphosa's name is Lisle, or anything else for that matter.

If Josephine Lee were Tryphosa's mother, why wasn't she the witness for the bride as she was for her other daughter Bridget? Quite possibly, she is Bridget's mother as it states on that marriage document and neither she nor Bridget are any relation to Tryphosa.

Since some of this group are known to have come from the Ancient Church, it is also possible that they were not part of the Brewster contingent at all.

There doesn't appear to be any credible evidence to support who Tryphosa's parents are.

Possibly there will be some clues in colonial New England. 

Citations

• Ancestral File # 9J46-P8
• 19. ref 448 Anderson, Robert Charles. The Great Migration Begins; Immigrants to New England 1620-1633. Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1995. (3 vols.)
• 117. ref 74 McBride, Paul B. Paul B. McBride's Genealogy Page: Mayflower database URL: <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~pmcbride/index.htm> Skip to surnames: <http://www.tiac.net/users/pmcbride/rfc/>

links

• http://capecodgenes.com/web%20cards/ps08/ps08_295.html

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Bridget lee married Samuel Fuller, say-weaver, from England, widower of Anna Carpenter" Leiden 27 May 1617 [NS]. "Bridget Lee, single woman, also from England, accompanied by Josephine Lee, her mother" [MD 8:129-30].

Sources

1. The New England Historical Genealogical Register Vol 15 page 30.  "Items from the City Records at Leyden". "Samuel Fuller (former wife was Anna Carpenter) m 27 May 1617, Bridget Lee, whose mother, Joos Lee, was witness."

From Who was Tryphosa/Trifasa Lee(Le):

She was the wife of Stephen Tracy--their betrothal is recorded in the records of Leyden.(Image) Beyond that the intriguing record of her life invites a lot of speculation--even that she could have been related to the vanished Nicholas Lee.

First of all, the targetted list of Pilgrim marriages (see below) shows that the Pilgrim Lees were associated by marriage with Samuel Fuller. (He married Bridget Lee, daughter of Josephine Lee and sister of Samuel Lee.) There is also a John Lee and a Jane Lee in Leyden.(See the marriage and guarantor lists.) Tryphosa Lee is not known to be related to the other Lees.

links

• http://capecodgenes.com/web%20cards/ps09/ps09_280.html