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Bernat II 'Planta peluda', comte d'Auvèrnhe

Also Known As: "Count Bernard II of /Auvergne/", "Plantevelue"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Uzès, Gard, Languedoc-Roussillon, France
Death: Died
Immediate Family:

Son of Bernard I, duc de Septimanie and Dhuoda, comtesse consort de Toulouse
Husband of Ermengarde
Father of Raculf, Vicomte de Mâcon; Guillaume I the Pious, Count of Auvergne & Duke of Aquitaine; Adelinde d'Auvergne; Ava and Warin
Brother of Guillaume de Septimanie, comte d'Agen and Rogelinde

Occupation: (Conde de Autun), Duc, Marquis, Comte, d'Auvergne, 868, d'Autun, 858, Chambellan, de Septimanie, de la Marche, Régent, Count
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About Bernard II Plantevelue, comte d'Auvergne

Bernard II Plantevelue Comte d'Auvergne 1

Alias: Bernard Comte d'Autun

Born: 22 MAR 840/41 in Uzes, Languedoc, France 2

Died: 886 in Autun, Saone-et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 1

Father: Bernard I Count of Autun, Margrave Septimania b: BEF 804 in Autun, Saone-et-Loire, Bourgogne, France

Mother: Dhuoda of Gascony, Countess of Agen & Septimania b: ABT 804 in Gascony, France

Marriage 1 Ermengarde d'Auvergne b: 845 in Chalons-sur-Marne, Marne, Champagne, France

Children:

  • William "Le Pieux" Duke of Aquitaine b: ABT 863 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France
  • Ava (Aba) d'Auvergne, Abbess of Sauxillanges b: 865 in Auvergne, France
  • Adelaide d'Auvergne b: 867 in Auvergne, France
  • Raculfe de Macon b: ABT 870 in Macon, Saone-et-Loire, Bourgogne, France

Notes [JW]

Bernard was Count of Aquitaine and the Auvergne, Marquis of Gothie, Count of Autun, Count of Rodez.

Turton has Bernard's parents as Bernard d'Auvergne & Luitgard, who are actually parents of his wife Ermengarde.

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The following is a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:

ID: I01374 Bernard II Plantevelue Comte d'Auvergne

Bernard was Count of Aquitaine and the Auvergne, Marquis of Gothie, Count of Autun, Count of Rodez.

As far as Count of Aquitaine, Ronald F. Malan in _The Genealogist_ vol. xi in an article titled: "The Ancestry of Dhouda, Duchess of Septamani" did state this. To my knowledge, Aquitaine in this period was a duchy not a county, the duke being Charles III son of Charles II king of Franks, HRE (grandson of Charlemagne). Note: I do not know if there was a "County of Aquitaine" within the duchy, but in this period of the beginnings of titles & meanings of same, I’d think it doubtful.

As to where the sources of the titles you give:

Bernard Plantevelue Count of Auvergne [Ref: Bouchard, ES III:731, Dillange, Keats-Rohan Family Trees p247, Nat Taylor 23 May 1997, Nat Taylor-Sant Wm p205-223]

Count of Autun, Count of Auvergne and Rovergue, 872: Marquis of Toulouse [Ref: Moriarty p215]

Barnard Hairyfoot, Count of Auvergne; styled Duke by 898 [Ref: McBride2] Note: considering that he died in 885/6…

Marquis of Gothie; Count of Autun, Count of Rodez [Ref: CP II:731, Keats-Rohan Family Trees p211-267]

Dillange = Michael Dillange, Les comtes de Poitou, ducs d'Aquitaine (778-1204), Geste Editions, Geste Editions, 1996.

Regards,

Curt

Sources:

Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968

Page: 6

Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com

Page: Alan B Wilson, 12 Jun 1998 -------------------- Aka: Count of Anvergne. -------------------- BERNARD "Plantevelue", son of BERNARD Marquis of Septimania & his wife Doda --- (Uzès 22 Mar 841-[20 Jun 885/16 Aug 886], maybe 6 Jan 886). The Manual of Dhuoda records the birth "XI Kal Apr", in the year following the death of Emperor Louis, at "Uzecia urbes" of the second child [Bernard] of Doda and her husband Bernard[120]. The Annales Bertiniani name "rex markiones Bernardum scilicet Tolosæ et iterum Bernardum Gothiæ, itemque Bernardum alium" in 868[121], this being Bernard Marquis of Gothia, although the date of his appointment has not so far been traced. Lay Abbot of Brioude 857/68. Comte d'Autun 864/69, deposed. Comte de Rodez 864/74. Comte d'Auvergne after 872. The Annales Bertiniani name "Bernardum Arvenicum comitem" in 877[122]. "Bernardus comes et uxor mea Hermengardis" donated property to Conques abbey by charter dated 21 Jul 883[123]. He obtained the county of Mâcon during the wars between the Carolingians and the Bosonids[124]. The 13th century obituary of the Eglise primatiale de Lyon records the death "VIII Id Jan" of "Bernardus comes"[125], although it is not certain that this relates to the same person. m ERMENGARDE, daughter of BERNARD Comte [d'Auvergne] & his wife Lieugardis --- (-after 21 Jul 883). "Bernardus comes et uxor mea Hermengardis" donated property to Conques abbey by charter dated 21 Jul 883[126]. "Princeps et marchio Willelmus" donated property to the church of Holy Trinity "pro…animæ patris mei Bernardi et matris meæ Ermengardis…" by charter dated Nov 916[127]. Her parents are shown in Europäische Stammtafeln[128] but the primary source on which this is based has not yet been identified. Comte Bernard & his wife had four children: 1. GUILLAUME ([860/65]-6 Jul 918, bur Abbaye de Brioude, Haute-Loire). "Karolus…imperator Augustus" confirms that "Willelmo comite" replaced "patris sui Bernardi comitis" after the latter was killed, by charter dated 16 Aug 886[129]. His birth date is estimated on the assumption that he was a young adult at the time. He is named as brother of "Hava abbatissa" in the latter's charter dated Nov 893[130]. "Acfred dux Aquitanorum" donated property "pro anima…et avunculis meis Wilelmo et Guarino…" to Cluny by charter dated 2 Oct 927[131]. He succeeded his father in 886 as Marquis of Gothia, Comte d'Auvergne, de Berry, de Mâcon, de Limousin, et de Lyon. The Chronicle of Saint-Maxence names "Ramnulfus comes…Pictavensis" as "consanguineus…Willelmi…comitis Arvernorum"[132], although the precise relationship has not been traced. Comte de Bourges 892. Comte de Macon, abbé laic de Brioude 893. He was recorded as dux shortly after the accession of Charles III "le Simple" King of the West Franks in 893, and as dux Aquitanorum for the first time in 909[133], later known as GUILLAUME I "le Pieux" Duke of Aquitaine. He founded the monastery of Cluny jointly with his wife by charter dated 11 Sep 910[134]. "Princeps et marchio Willelmus" donated property "in patria Arvernica, in comitatu Brivatense…in villa Carisiaceco" to the church of Holy Trinity "pro…animæ patris mei Bernardi et matris meæ Ermengardis…et sororis meæ Adalendis et filorum eius" by charter dated Nov 916, signed by "Ingelbergæ, Wilhelmi, Acfredi, Bosoni…"[135]. m (before 898[136]) ENGELBERGA, daughter of BOSON King [of Provence] & his second wife Ermengardis [Carolingian] ([877]-after Jan 917). Engelberga is named as co-founder with her husband of the monastery of Cluny in a charter dated 11 Sep 910[137]. Her origin is deduced from her donation to Cluny with her husband dated Jan 917, in which her brother "Ludovico" is named[138]. She died as a nun at San Sisto, Piacenza. Duke Guillaume I & his wife had [two] children: a) BOSO (-[25 Dec 920/Jun 926]). "Boso filius eius" is named, immediately after "Wilelmi senioris mei", in two donation for their souls made by "Gauzfredus comes" dated 8 Apr 936 and Jun 936[139]. b) [daughter. This is a speculative connection based only on onomastics[140]. m ROTBALD [I] d'Agel [Provence], son of --- (-[949]).] 2. WARIN (-[before 918]). "Acfred dux Aquitanorum" donated property "pro anima…et avunculis meis Wilelmo et Guarino…" to Cluny by charter dated 2 Oct 927[141]. No other mention of Warin has so far been found. He must have died before his older brother Bernard as he did not succeed as Duke of Aquitaine. Alternatively, he may have been illegitimate. 3. AVA (-before [913]). "Hava abbatissa" made a donation to Cluny dated Nov 893 naming her brother Guillaume[142]. 4. ADALINDA . She is named as wife of Acfred in their son's grant to Cluny dated 2 Oct 927, her origin being deduced from his reference to "…avunculis meis Wilelmo et Guarino…" in the same document[143]. m ACFRED, son of ---. His name is confirmed by his son's grant to Cluny dated 2 Oct 927[144]. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[145], he was Acfred [I] Comte de Carcassonne ([830/40]-906). The primary source on which this is based has not yet been identified. It is possible that the co-identity is based only on speculation from the Cluny charter of Acfred Duke of Aquitaine, dated 2 Oct 927, which names his parents as Acfred and Adelinda, and on the assumption that Acfred [I] Comte de Carcassonne was the only contemporary nobleman of this name[146]. Another indication that this co-identity may not be correct is the charter dated 19 Feb 906 under which "Adalindes comitissa", widow of Acfred [I] Comte de Carcassonne, donated property with the consent of "Acfredo filio Acfredo"[147]. If Acfred de Carcassonne was the same person as Acfred, father of the two dukes of Aquitaine, it is surprising that his other two known sons did not consent to, or were not otherwise named in, this donation. Acfred & his wife had three children: a) GUILLAUME (-16 Dec 926[148]). "Willelmi comitis nepotis eius" is named in the charter of Guillaume Duke of Aquitaine dated 11 Sep 910 which founded the monastery of Cluny[149]. "Acfred dux Aquitanorum" donated property "pro anima genitore meo Acfredo et genitrice mea Adalindis…et fratribus meis Bernardo et Guilelmo" to Cluny by charter dated 2 Oct 927[150]. He succeeded his maternal uncle in 918 as GUILLAUME II "le Jeune" Duke of Aquitaine, Comte d'Auvergne. His jurisdiction over Mâcon is referred to in a charter of "Girbaldus", "residente quondam domno Wilelmo iuniore, comite, Matiscone", dated May 926[151] but this appears to indicate that Guillaume was overlord of Mâcon (presumably in his capacity as Comte d'Auvergne) not Comte de Mâcon. He is called "domno illustrissimo marchione Alvernorum et comite Matisconensi" in his charter dated Dec 926[152]. b) ACFRED (-[Oct/Dec] 927). "Acfred dux Aquitanorum" donated property "pro anima genitore meo Acfredo et genitrice mea Adalindis…et avunculis meis Wilelmo et Guarino et fratribus meis Bernardo et Guilelmo" to Cluny by charter dated 2 Oct 927[153]. He succeeded his brother in 926 as ACFRED Duke of Aquitaine, Comte d'Auvergne. Abbé de Brioude. Will dated 11 Oct 927. He appointed Ebles "Mancer" Comte de Poitou as his successor in Aquitaine[154]. c) BERNARD (-after 932). "Acfred dux Aquitanorum" donated property "pro anima genitore meo Acfredo et genitrice mea Adalindis…et fratribus meis Bernardo et Guilelmo" to Cluny by charter dated 2 Oct 927[155]. He succeeded as Comte d'Auvergne. m ---. The name of Bernard's wife is not known. Bernard & his wife had two children: i) ETIENNE . 913/936. Etienne is named as son of Bernard in Europäische Stammtafeln[156] but the primary source on which this is based has not yet been identified. ii) BERNARD . 913/936. Bernard is named as son of Bernard in Europäische Stammtafeln[157] but the primary source on which this is based has not yet been identified.

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