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Bertha de Toulouse, Queen of Italy

Nicknames: "Berthe de Gellone", "Berthe de Toulouse"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrénées, France
Death: Died in Lombardia, Italy
Immediate Family:

Daughter of St. Guillaume de Gellone, comte de Toulouse and Guibour von Hornbach
Wife of "Pépin" Carloman, King of Italy, son of Charlemagne & Hildegard and Childébrand III, count of Autun
Mother of Athalia; Bertraide / Berthais d'Italia; Theodrate d'Italie; Gundrada d'Italia; Jenna or Genna Countess d'Italy and 3 others
Sister of Rotlinde Rolent Hellinburg de (Rotlinde) Toulouse; Bernard I, duc de Septimanie; Gaucelme, comte du Roussillon; Théodoric IV, comte d'Autun; Garnier de Toulouse and 1 other
Half sister of Héribert of Toulouse; Gerberge de Toulouse; Guicaire de Toulouse; Hildehelm de Toulouse and Helmbourg de Toulouse

Occupation: Queen of Italy, M:795, Queen, M:~795, Nun (c.804)
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About Bertha de Toulouse, Queen of Italy

Bertha de Toulouse

F, #103196

Last Edited=15 Jan 2003

Child of Bertha de Toulouse and Pepin I, King of the Langobardians

-1. Bernard, King of Italy+ b. c 799, d. 17 Aug 818

Forrás / Source:

http://www.thepeerage.com/p10320.htm#i103196

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Pepin King of Italy

He married Bertha, daughter of William of Gellone, count of Toulouse, and had five daughters with her (Adelaide, married Duke Guy I of Spoleto; Atala; Gundrada; Bertha; and Tetrada), all of whom but the eldest were born between 800 and Pepin's death and died before their grandfather's death in 814.

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From the French Wikipedia pages of the parents of Berta d'Autun, Thierry I d'Autun and Aude de France:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Ier_d%27Autun

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aude_de_France

Abba et Berta, citées comme religieuse en 804. L'une d'elles a probablement épousé un Nibelungide, Childebrand II ou Nibelung II[4].

In English:

Abba and Berta, cited as nuns in 804. One of them probably married into the Nibelungids, to either Childebrand II or Nibelung II. -------------------- Ben M. Angel summary:

Abba d'Autun's relationships:

Parents:

Father: Thierry or Theoderic I, Comte d'Autun (d. 791/804)

Mother: Aldana (also Aude, Aida, Alda, or Adalne, 732-c755)

Siblings:

Alleaume/Adalelm

Teudoin/Theodoen d. c826)

Theoderic II (d. c811)

St. Guillaume de Gellone

Unknown parent of Bertrand

Berta (nun)

Spouse

Nibelung II Comte dans Bourgogne (c750-c805)

Children: Existent but unknown.

Basic information and justifications:

Birth: Unknown - presumed in Autun (father is comte there)

Death: After 804 (cited as a nun in 804) - location unknown

Occupation: Wife, Nun c. 804

Married to Nibelung II according to FMG, wedding date and location unknown.

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From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Frankish Nobility:

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#AbbaBertadiedafter804

J. FAMILIES of NIBELUNG, CHILDEBRAND and THEODERIC

The common connection with Autun, and the common use of the name "Theoderic", suggest that the following family was closely related to the family of Nibelung and Childebrand. If this is correct, the only possibility from a chronological point of view is that either Theoderic [I] or his wife was the child of Nibelung [I]. A different speculation is that Theoderic [I] may have been related to the early Saxon leader Widukind (see SAXONY), in whose family references have been found to "Theoderich". The presence of Comte Theoderic, whom it seems likely was the same person as Theoderic [I], in Saxony as recorded by Einhard in 782 (see below) suggests that he may have been acting in some official capacity for the Franks, maybe because of his prior connection with Saxony. It is not impossible that Theoderic was one of the Saxon leaders who surrendered to Charles I King of the Franks in 777 and was rewarded with appointments at the royal court. If this speculation is correct, the name Theoderic may have entered the Nibelung/Childebrand family through Dunna, the wife of Childebrand [III], whose origin is unknown. A third possibility is that Theoderic was a Frankish name which predated the Carolingian conquest of Saxony, as shown by the charter dated 8 Jul 753 under which "Pippinus rex Francorum" confirmed rights to market customs duties of the abbey of Saint-Denis by charter dated 8 Jul 753 which names "fidelibus…Theuderico…"[347]. (see MEROVINGIAN NOBILITY).

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THEODERIC [I], son of --- (-[791/15 Dec 804]).

The origin of Comte Theoderic is not known. An interesting speculation is a relationship with the early Saxon leader Widukind, as explained above.

Comte d'Autun.

Einhard indicates that Theoderich was related to Charles I King of the Franks when he records that in 782 the king sent his three missi "Adalgiso camerario et Geilone comite stabuli et Worado comite palati" to meet "in…Saxonis…Theodericus comes, propinquus regis"[348], the relationship probably being through the wife of Theoderic [I] (see below). "Carolus…rex Francorum et Langobardorum" gave a judgment by charter dated to [Dec 775] which names "fidelibus…Widrigo, Odrigo, Theodrico, Bernehardo, Albuino, Aginhardo, Berngario comitibus et Anshelmo comite palacii nostri"[349].

Einhard records that Charles I King of the Franks sent "Theodorico comite et Meginfredo camerario suo" to "aquilonalem Danubii ripam" in 791[350]. "Willelmus…comes" names "genitore meo Theuderico et genitrice mea Aldana" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone[351].

m ALDANA, daughter of ---.

"Willelmus…comes" names "genitore meo Theuderico et genitrice mea Aldana" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone[352].

Settipani quotes an Aquitaine necrology which lists "Willelmus…pater eius Theodericus, mater Aldana soror Hiltrudis et Landradæ"[353]. He suggests that "Hiltrudis" was the wife of Odilo Duke of Bavaria, and therefore that the wife of Theoderic was Alda, daughter of Charles "Martel" maiordomus of Austrasia and Neustria [Carolingian].

The theory is attractive but not conclusive, as its validity depends on there being no other contemporary Hiltrudis, which is not provable. Hlawitschka highlights the case against the affiliation[354]. However, the evidence of the 25 May 765 charter, quoted in the document MEROVINGIAN NOBILITY under Aldana´s supposed sister Landrada, suggests that Settipani´s hypothesis may be correct.

In addition, Einhard indicates that Theoderic [I] was related to Charles I King of the Franks when he records that in 782 King Charles sent his three missi "Adalgiso camerario et Geilone comite stabuli et Worado comite palati" to meet "in…Saxonis…Theodericus comes, propinquus regis"[355]. One possible relationship being between the king and Theoderic [I] would have been through his wife, if she had been the king's paternal aunt.

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Theoderic [I] & his wife had [seven] children:

1. TEUDOIN (-826 or after).

"Willelmus…comes" names "fratribus meis Theudoino et Adalelmo" (version two: "fratre meo Teodoino et Teoderico et Adalelmo") in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone[356].

Comte d'Autun 804/26.

m ---. The name of the wife of Teudoin is not known.

2. THEODERIC [II] (-after 811).

"Willelmus…comes" names "fratribus meis Theudoino et Adalelmo" (version two: "fratre meo Teodoino et Teoderico et Adalelmo") in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone, Theoderic being named in only one of the versions346.

Einhard's Annales record "Theotheri comes" as one of the signatories of peace with the Vikings in 811[359].

3. ADALELM .

"Willelmus…comes" names "fratribus meis Theudoino et Adalelmo" (version two: "fratre meo Teodoino et Teoderico et Adalelmo") in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone346.

4. [--- . m ---.] Had one possible child, Bertrand.

5. GUILLAUME ([750/55]-Gellone [28 May [812/13]/21 May 815]).

Comte de Toulouse, Marquis de Septimanie.

"Willelmus…comes" names "genitore meo Theuderico et genitrice mea Aldana" and "fratribus meis Theudoino et Adalelmo" (version two: "fratre meo Teodoino et Teoderico et Adalelmo") "sororibus meis Albana et Bertana" "filiabus meis et filiis Barnardo, Witchario, Gotcelmo, Helimbruch" (version two: "filios meos et filias Witcario, Hildehelmo et Helinbruch") "uxoribus meis Cunegunde et Guitburge" (version two: "Witburg et Cunegunde") "nepote meo Bertranno" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone[360].

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6. ABBA [Albana] (-after 804).

"Willelmus…comes" names "sororibus meis Albana et Bertana" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone[361]. The Vita S. Willelmi records that “beatus Willelmus” had “duæ sorores virgines…Albana…Bertana”[362].

Nun in 804.

[m NIBELUNG [II], son of [NIBELUNG [I] Count in Burgundy & his wife --- (-after 805).

Settipani highlights the onomastic connections between the family of St Guillaume and the family of Nibelung, suggested by the names Bernard and Theoderic borne by the possible descendants of Nibelung [II][363]. He suggests that, if there was a connection between the two families, it would most likely have been through the wife of Nibelung [II] who could have been either Abba or Berta, sisters of St Guillaume.

There is, however, no indication at all of the first name of the wife of Nibelung [II]. This would of course be incorrect if the connection was through either Abba's father or mother, as referred to above. The other difficulty with this hypothesis is that the Vita S. Willelmi implies that Guillaume´s sisters remained unmarried when it records that he had “duæ sorores virgines…Albana…Bertana”[364].]

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7. BERTA [Bertana].

"Willelmus…comes" names "sororibus meis Albana et Bertana" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone[365].

References:

[347] DD Kar. 1, 6, p. 9.

[348] Einhardi Annales 782, MGH SS I, p. 163.

[349] DD Kar. 1, 110, p. 155.

[350] Einhardi Annales 791, MGH SS I, p. 177.

[351] Reproduced in Thomassy, R. 'Critique des deux chartes de foundation de l'abbaye de Saint-Guillem-du-Désert', Bibliothèque de l'Ecole des Chartes, Série 1, Tome II (Paris 1840-1844), p. 179.

[352] Reproduced in Thomassy, R. 'Critique des deux chartes de foundation de l'abbaye de Saint-Guillem-du-Désert', Bibliothèque de l'Ecole des Chartes, Série 1, Tome II (Paris 1840-1844), p. 179.

[353] Settipani, C. and Kerrebrouck, P. van (1993) La préhistoire des Capétiens 481-987, 1ère partie, Mérovingiens, Carolingiens et Robertiens (Villeneuve d'Ascq), p. 173, quoting Mabillon Acta Sanctorum ord. s. Ben. IV 1, p. 71.

[354] Hlawitschka, E. 'Die Vorfahren Karls des Großen', Beumann, H. (ed.) (1965) Karl der Große (Düsseldorf), pp. 76-78, cited in Settipani (1993), p. 174.

[355] Einhardi Annales 782, MGH SS I, p. 163.

[356] Reproduced in Thomassy, R. 'Critique des deux chartes de foundation de l'abbaye de Saint-Guillem-du-Désert', Bibliothèque de l'Ecole des Chartes, Série 1, Tome II (Paris 1840-1844), p. 179.

[357] ES III 731.

[358] Manuel de Dhuoda LXII, p. 213.

[359] Einhardi Annales 811, MGH SS I, p. 198.

[360] Reproduced in Thomassy, R. 'Critique des deux chartes de foundation de l'abbaye de Saint-Guillem-du-Désert', Bibliothèque de l'Ecole des Chartes, Série 1, Tome II (Paris 1840-1844), p. 179.

[361] Reproduced in Thomassy, R. 'Critique des deux chartes de foundation de l'abbaye de Saint-Guillem-du-Désert', Bibliothèque de l'Ecole des Chartes, Série 1, Tome II (Paris 1840-1844), p. 179.

[362] Ex Vita S. Willelmi, RHGF V, p. 470.

[363] Settipani (1993), p. 344.

[364] Ex Vita S. Willelmi, RHGF V, p. 470.

[365] Reproduced in Thomassy, R. 'Critique des deux chartes de foundation de l'abbaye de Saint-Guillem-du-Désert', Bibliothèque de l'Ecole des Chartes, Série 1, Tome II (Paris 1840-1844), p. 179.

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From the French Wikipedia pages of the parents of Abba d'Autun, Thierry I d'Autun and Aude de France:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Ier_d%27Autun

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aude_de_France

Abba et Berta, citées comme religieuse en 804. L'une d'elles a probablement épousé un Nibelungide, Childebrand II ou Nibelung II[5].

In English:

Abba and Berta, cited as nuns in 804. One of them probably married into the Nibelungids, to either Childebrand II or Nibelung II.

Reference:

5. ↑ Settipani 1993, p. 344-5.

Christian Settipani, La Préhistoire des Capétiens (Nouvelle histoire généalogique de l'auguste maison de France, vol. 1), éd. Patrick van Kerrebrouck, 1993 (ISBN 2-9501509-3-4)

-------------------- Bertha* OF TOULOUSE

ABT 0777 - ____

   * BIRTH: ABT 0777, Toulouise,France 

Father: William I* TOULOUSE

Family 1 : Pepin I*

  1. +Bernard,* King of ITALY 

http://www.afn.org/~lawson/d0015/g0000001.html#I1809 -------------------- Wife of Pepin of Italy and mother of his five daughters, among them Adelaide and Tetrada of Lombardy. -------------------- Ingeltrude is listed on several pages as being the mother of King Pepin d'Italie's only son, Bernard, but very little is written of her, other than she was either a lover or concubine of Pepin (kind of obvious). Also, apparently Empress Ermentrude didn't really take too kindly to her son's existence, effectively writing him out of the Imperial Order set by Charlemagne's successor, Louis the Pious. Ermentrude's hostility and success in getting her way triggered a brief civil war that eventually caused Louis to arrest Bernard and have him blinded - a sentence that led to his death two days after it was carried out.

I'm sure there is a story there somewhere, between the hostility of Ingeltrude and Ermentrude. -------------------- sister of Charlemagne -------------------- Bertbelle was born in 0750 in Austrasia, France.1 Bertbelle's father was Duke Pepin (The Short) France III and her mother was Berthe (Bertrade) Laon. Her paternal grandparents were Charles (Martel The Hammer) Austrasia and Rotrude (Chrotude) Treves; her maternal grandparents were Count Claribert of Laon I and Bertrada Laon. She had a brother named Charlemagne. She was the younger of the two children.

1 http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=jdp-fam&id=I86659&style=TABLE

Ancestor Pedigree Chart

   *
     Arnoul Metz*
      - b.13 Aug 0582 in Heristal, Liege, Belgium d.16 Aug 0640 in Remiremont, Church of the Apostles, Metz, Austrasia
     Bishop of Metz Ansigisen Austrasia
      - b.0602 in Austrasia, France d.0685 in Murdered atAndene Monastery, Stieburg, France
     Dode Clothilde de Heristal*
      - b.0586 d.0615
     Paepin II d'Heristal
      - b.0635 in Heristal, Austrasia, Landen Belgium d.16 Dec 0714 in Junille, Meuse, France
     Pepin Austrasia*
      - b.0564 d.0639
     Beggue (St. Beggue) Landen
      - b.0613 in Landen, Belgium d.0698
     Itte Landen*
      - b.0591 in Heristal, Liege, Belgium d.0652 in Landen, Liege, Belgium
     Charles (Martel The Hammer) Austrasia
      - b.0676 in Heristal, Neustria, Landen, Belgium d.15 Oct 0741 in Cressy Sur Oise, Neustria - Quiery, Aisne, France
     Alpaide Austrasia
      - b.0654 in Heristal, Austrasia, Landen, Belgium d. in Orplegrande Monastery, Brabant, Vosges, France
     Duke Pepin (The Short) France III
      - b.0714 in Austrasia, France d.24 Sep 0768 in St. Denis, Paris, Seine, France
     Bodilon Poiters*
      - b.0590 in Poitiers, Bourgogne, France
     Guerin (Warin Warinus) Poiters
      - b.0620 in Moselle River Valley, Austrasia, France d.0677 in Poitiers, Bourgogne, France
     Sigrada (Sigree) Moselle*
      - b.0615
     Saint/Bishop Leutwinus Treves
      - b.0665 d.0713
     St. Clodulf Metz*
      - b.0604 in Austrasia, France d.0690 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France (Austrasia)
     Kunza (Gunza) Metz
      - b.0625 in Treves, Rhenish Prussia, Germany
     Sigrade of Alsace
      - b.0615
     Rotrude (Chrotude) Treves
      - b.0690 in Moselle, Austrasia d.0724
     Lambert of Neustria I
      - b.0598
     Chrodobertus Robert of Neustria II
      - b.0620 d.0680
      
      
     daughter of Chrodobertus
      - b.0668
     Guerin (Warin Warinus) Poiters*
      - b.0620 in Moselle River Valley, Austrasia, France d.0677 in Poitiers, Bourgogne, France
     Doda of Poitiers
      - b.0629
     Kunza (Gunza) Metz*
      - b.0625 in Treves, Rhenish Prussia, Germany
     Bertbelle Martel
      - b.0750 in Austrasia, France
     Arnoul Metz*
      - b.13 Aug 0582 in Heristal, Liege, Belgium d.16 Aug 0640 in Remiremont, Church of the Apostles, Metz, Austrasia
     Bishop of Metz Ansigisen Austrasia
      - b.0602 in Austrasia, France d.0685 in Murdered atAndene Monastery, Stieburg, France
     Dode Clothilde de Heristal*
      - b.0586 d.0615
     Martin of Laon
      - b.0647 d.0690
     Pepin Austrasia*
      - b.0564 d.0639
     Beggue (St. Beggue) Landen
      - b.0613 in Landen, Belgium d.0698
     Itte Landen*
      - b.0591 in Heristal, Liege, Belgium d.0652 in Landen, Liege, Belgium
     Count Claribert of Laon I
      - b.0690 in Laon, Aisne, France d.0747
     Theodard Merovingian
      - b.0630 d.0721
     Bertha Merovingian
      - b.0660 d.0712
      
      
     Berthe (Bertrade) Laon
      - b.0720 in Laon, Aisne, France d.12 Jul 0783 in Choisy, Bourgogne, France
     King of Austrasia Dagobert I Austrasia*
      - b.Apr 0600 in Metz, Austrasia, France d.19 Jan 0639
     King of the Franks Clovis Merovingian II
      - b.0634 in Metz, Austrasia, France d.27 Nov 0657
     Princess Nantechilde of Neustria*
      - b.~  0610 in Neustria, France d.0642
     Theuderic de Neustra III
      - b.0657 d.0691
     Queen of Neustria Bathilde of England
      - b.~  0627 in East Anglia, Britain d.30 Jan 0680 in East Anglia, Britain
     Bertrada Laon
      - b.0698
     Arnoul Metz*
      - b.13 Aug 0582 in Heristal, Liege, Belgium d.16 Aug 0640 in Remiremont, Church of the Apostles, Metz, Austrasia
     Bishop of Metz Ansigisen Austrasia
      - b.0602 in Austrasia, France d.0685 in Murdered atAndene Monastery, Stieburg, France
     Dode Clothilde de Heristal*
      - b.0586 d.0615
     Clotilde of Heristal of Metz
      - b.0650 d.03 Jun 0692
     Pepin Austrasia*
      - b.0564 d.0639
     Beggue (St. Beggue) Landen
      - b.0613 in Landen, Belgium d.0698
     Itte Landen*
      - b.0591 in Heristal, Liege, Belgium d.0652 in Landen, Liege, Belgium

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Alternative data from merges: b 795; d 7/8/810 - Sharon -------------------- Pepin King of Italy

He married Bertha, daughter of William of Gellone, count of Toulouse, and had five daughters with her (Adelaide, married Duke Guy I of Spoleto; Atala; Gundrada; Bertha; and Tetrada), all of whom but the eldest were born between 800 and Pepin's death and died before their grandfather's death in 814.

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Bertha de Toulouse, Queen of Italy's Timeline

777
777
Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrénées, France
798
798
Age 21
Milan, Royaume Lombard, Carolingian Empire, Italy
800
800
Age 23
Italia
800
Age 23
Italy
800
Age 23
805
805
Age 28
Vermandois,Neustria,,France
807
807
Age 30
Italy
807
Age 30
of, Italy, Countess of, Holland
810
July 8, 810
Age 33
Lombardia, Italy
1932
June 7, 1932
Age 33