Berthe (Berta) de Ballon (c.1069 - 1091) MP

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Birthplace: Frampton-on-Severn, Wheatenhurst, Gloucestershire, England
Death: Died in England
Managed by: Margaret, (C)
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About Berthe (Berta) de Ballon

According to Charles Cawley's Medieval Lands database, Berthe's parentage is unclear, although the Peerages suggest that she was a member of the de Ballon/Balun family.

She married Walter FitzRoger de Pitres of Gloucester, Earl of Hereford.

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH NOBILITY MEDIEVAL.htm

BERTHE, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. The Complete Peerage suggests that Berthe was a relative of Hamelin de Ballon Lord of Abergavenny, citing the passage from the Historia fundationis cum fundatoris genealogia of the priory of Abergavenny quoted above[292]. However, there are two difficulties with this hypothesis. Firstly, it is Walter, not his son, who is described as “consanguineo” of Brien FitzCount, suggesting that the relationship must have been through Walter´s parents not his wife. Secondly, doubt exists about the relationship between Brien FitzCount (generally identified as the illegitimate son of Alain IV Duke of Brittany, although the primary source which confirms that this affiliation is correct has not yet been traced) and Hamelin de Ballon, as discussed more fully in the document WALES (Lords of Abergavenny). The Complete Peerage also cites[293] the undated charter under which “Willielmus de Braosa” confirmed donations to Abergavenny Priory by “Hamelinus de Balon et Brientius comitis filius et Walterus de Herefort et Henricus de Herefort”[294]. This document does suggest a close relationship between the two families. However, a family connection through the mother of Miles of Gloucester is not the only possibility.

m WALTER of Gloucester (-1129 or after[285]). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Hereditary Sheriff of Gloucester. Constable [of Gloucester Castle][286]. The Historia fundationis cum fundatoris genealogia of the priory of Abergavenny records that “Brientio filio comitis de Insula, nepoti suo de sorore sua…Lucia” granted the lordship of Abergavenny to “Waltero constabulatio totius Angliæ, consanguineo suo”[287]. The precise relationship between Walter and his predecessor has not yet been established. Henry I King of England confirmed the grant of "heredibus suis Herefordiam [parvam et] Ullingeswicam" to "Waltero de Gloec" by the bishop of Hereford by charter dated 1121, witnessed by "…Ricardo filio Poncii…"[288]. Henry I King of England granted the lands of "Edrici fil Chetelli" to "Walto de Gloec" by charter date [3/10] Jun 1123[289]. A charter dated to [1123] records that "Walt de Gloec" gave Little Hereford in fee to "Willo de Mara nepoti suo"[290]. "Walter de Gloecestria, Milo fili ei…Willelm de Mara" witnessed the charter dated to [1127] which records that "Ricard Puncii filii" granted Aston, Gloucestershire ("Hestoniam") to "Mathilli uxori mee"[291].

Walter & his wife had [three] children:

i) MILES of Gloucester (-24 Dec 1143, bur Lanthony Priory, Gloucester). The Historia fundationis cum fundatoris genealogia of the priory of Abergavenny names “Milonem” as son of “Waltero constabulatio totius Angliæ”[295]. Henry I King of England appointed him Constable of England[296]. He was created Earl of Hereford in 1141.

ii) [MATILDA (-after [1127]). A charter dated to [1127] records that "Ricard Pontii filii" granted the manor of "Lechia" to "Mathildi uxori mee in matrimoniu" in exchange for her original marriage portion, the manor of Ullingswick in Herefordshire, which he gave to "Helie Giff in mat-monu cum filia mea Berta"[297]. Round indicates that this charter means that Matilda must have been the daughter of Walter of Gloucester, noting that Ullingswick was recorded in Domesday Book as belonging to the church of Hereford, and also that King Henry I confirmed its grant and that of Little Hereford by the bishop of Hereford to Walter of Gloucester by another charter (see above)[298]. The fact that Matilda named two of her children after her supposed parents also indicates that this parentage is probably correct (although the name Walter was already used in the FitzPons family before Richard´s marriage). "Ricardus filius Puncii" donated “ecclesiam de Lecha" to Great Malvern monastery, Worcestershire, for the soul of "uxoris meæ Mathildis et liberorum meorum…", by undated charter, witnessed by "Simon et Osbernus fratres mei…"[299]. m RICHARD FitzPons, son of PONS & his wife --- (-[1127/29]).]

iii) [--- .] m ---. One child: (a) RENAUD (-25 Aug 1149). A manuscript listing abbots of Evesham records that ”Reginaldus, monachus Gloucestriæ, nepos comitis Milonis Herefordiæ” was appointed abbot in 1122 and died “VIII Kal Sep 1149”[300], although another manuscript records his death “VIII Kal Sep 1136”[301].

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Bertha uxor Walteri de Gloecestria1

    Bertha uxor Walteri de Gloecestria married Sheriff of Gloucester Walter fitz Roger de Pîtres, son of Sheriff of Gloucester Roger de Pîtres and Adeline (?).1 

Family Sheriff of Gloucester Walter fitz Roger de Pîtres b. circa 1070? Children ?Miles of Gloucester, Earl of Hereford, and Constable of England+ b. c 1100, d. 24 Dec 11431 ?Walter fitz Walter de Pîtres b. c 11002


Citations 1.[S1278] K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants, pg. 479. 2.[S1278] K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants, pg. 480.

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p236.htm#i2701

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p236.htm#i27014 )

from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm ) -------------------- Said to have been related to Hamelin de Ballon, Lord of Abergavenny.

The Complete Peerage V6.P452.

-------------------- Bertha MNU, a relative of Hamelin de Balun, Lord of Abergavenny, was born. Bertha married Walter of Gloucester and had 2 children: Miles of Gloucester, 1st Earl of Hereford and Matilda, who married a Richard Fitz Pons.

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[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_of_Gloucester]

Bertha MNU of Gloucester is my 30th great grandmother.

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".....a relative of Hamelin de Balun, Lord of Abergavenny."

Wikipedia -- "Walter of Gloucester"

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1014223124. Walter Fitzroger He married 1014223125. Berta Emma of Baalun.

       1014223125.  Berta Emma of Baalun

Child of Walter Fitzroger and Berta Baalun is:

       507111562 i.    Miles of Pîtres, born 1092 in Gloucester, England; died 24-Dec-1143 in Gloucester, England; married Sybil of Newmarch

http://www.linclinks.co.uk/id43.html

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