There appear to be problematic loops / merges /splits /duplicates being made on the RORICON I to III & the GOSLIN I to III lines because of same name ancestors. As far as I can see, and I've included the references below - it should look like this - below. (NB The Roricons II & III seem to get mixed because theBILICHILDE MOTHER (c810) & DAUGHTER (832) (ie Roricon II's WIFE (c810) & Roricon III's SISTER (832)) GET CONFLATED. Please be careful merging here, and if you disagree with the data, please contact the profile manager and enter your references below, so we can get it right together:

As a ‘starting off’ point, this is how it seems at the moment (December 2010) – Thanks, Sharon Doubell:

5. GOZLIN III (c860-907/914) m GODEHILDE CAROLINGIAN (c865)

4. Gozlin III was the son of RORICON III (c833-865), who had a sister BILICHILDE ii (832-858)

3. Roricon III & Bilichilde ii's parents were RORICON II (c808-858) m BILICHILDE i (c810)

2. Roricon II's parents were RORICON I (c770) m ROTRUDE CAROLINGIAN (c775 -6/6/1810)

1. Roricon I's parent was GOSLIN I (c740)

2. Goslin I's other son - ie Roricon I's brother - was GOSLIN II (c775-826) m ADELTRUDE CAROLINGIAN (c790)

3. Goslin II and Adeltrude had a son: DONALD, Count of Melun (c810-<860)

Note: a. The Roricons I to III seem to get mixed because the Bilichilde mother and daughter (wife & sister) get conflated. b. The Gozlins I to III seem to get conflated because Gozlin III is not in the direct line from Gozlin II, but comes through the 3 Roricons. (Also Roricon II has a brother Goslin (804) who doesn't have a number - possibly dying young?) c. Adeltrude Carolingian and Rotrude Carolingian appear to become conflated, and I'm still unsure that the data we are using here is the correct version of that.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://fjaunais.free.fr/h0maine.htm&ei=NpwHTfPUEJOBhQfP97DuBw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CE4Q7gEwBzgU&prev=/search%3Fq%3Droricon%2Bdu%2Bmain%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26prmd%3Div

-------------------- Ben notes: There are two hypotheses on who this woman could be. According to French Wikipedia:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramnulf_Ier_de_Poitiers

The Traditional Hypothesis says that she is the daughter of Rorgon I, Comte du Maine, and his wife Bilichilde, and may have likewise been named Bilichilde.

A newer hypothesis by Christian Settipani says that she is the unknown daughter of Bernard, Marquis of Septimanie (direct descendant of St. Guillaume de Gellone, Comte de Toulouse).

The Traditional Hypothesis is still greatly supported by historians (and the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy), but Settipani's hypothesis addresses some inconsistencies in the Traditional. For further explanation, review Ranulf I's About Me page and the French Wikipedia document attached to his profile.

I'm not going to commit on this one. I think Settipani's ideas will be proven with time, but I'm going to document just the areas where both Settipani and the Traditional hypotheses agree (namely, Ranulf's male lineage to Charlemagne).