Carel Louis de Fortier * France 19.9.1827, a rebel exiled from France in 1865 and banished to a prison camp in Australia, jumped ship on the Pondoland coast of South Africa, school teacher at Bethlehem OFS, Bethal and Piet Retief † “Straalsund”, dist. Piet Retief 17.2.1893 x Anna Helena Martha VAN DYK (she xx De Jager)

b2 Carel Louis * 29.8.1870, farmer, was captured during the Anglo Boer War and banished to India † c. 1960 x Johanna Elizabeth KOSTER (adopted Roedolf) * South Bremersdorp (now Manzini) 5.11.1874, captured during Anglo- Boere War was in Sandspruit Consentration Camp † c. 1959 heart attack both # “Mooiplaas”, dist. Piet Retief, 12 children