Charles Carter, III (1803 - 1895) MP

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Birthplace: undefined, VA, USA
Death: Died in Talladega, AL, USA
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About Charles Carter, III

Charles' father died when he was only 18 months old leaving him and his mother very poor. Reared at the farm of his grandparents John Burgess and Elizabeth Saunders. Moved to Alabama in 1813 when only ten years old, according to his obituary. According to other records in 1814, Mourning Bond and her children and Allen Woodward Bond and his family all moved to Madison Co. Alabama together and settled near their Uncle Claiborne Saunders. This was just after the wars between Andrew Jackson and the Creek Indians. The massacre at Ft. Mimstook place on 30Aug1813 and the conclusive battle of Talladega on 8Nov1813. There were also some Carters in the area that might have been related to John. In 1820 Uncle Claiborne died.Charles' Uncle Allen W. Bond and his family moved away in 1824,to Shelby, TN where Allen eventually died. In a letter to a descendant of Allen Bond, Charles said that he was very depressed at the loss of his uncle until he started his own family three years later. He is said to have been overseer to a large slave plantation as young man. Charles married Feriba Veazey of Madison county, AL on 15Dec1827 when he was 24 and she was just barely 16. It is said by him to have been a Gretna Green affair which took place across the state line in Lincoln County, Tenn. He and his wife moved to Talladega county in 1833 when he was 30, which was 20 years after the battle of Talladega (9Nov1813) and just after the Creek treaty of 1832. Charles, at first, rented his land for three years from an Indian named Tallasehadgo. This must have been before the Indians were shipped to Oklahoma. He bought 980 acres in 1835 from Tallasehadgo and Archie Leslie (both creek Indians), one half section from each, using money loaned to him by a neighbor,Robert Jemison. They were friends and neighbors for many, many years. According to the Elliott family records, Charles' sister Patty Carter married Willis Elliott and the Elliott family moved with Charles Carter's family to Talladega together and built adjoining cabins there. They are said to have lived there together until after Patty died in 1847. It is strange that she was not buried in the farm cemetery. In 1850 Willis Elliott moved with the rest of his family to Shelby, AL. There is a story, told by Elizabeth Carter, that Charles Carter fell in love with Miss Veazey, the daughter of a prominent citizen, but was rejected by her family because of his poor prospects. He supposedly kidnapped her and moved away. I found Charles in the1840 and 1850 Alabama census in Talladega county, but not in the1830 census when he was about 27 years old and married only 3 years. In Charles Carter's obituary it confirms the story that he rented his land from the Indians for three years before the Indians were shipped off to Oklahoma. And it confirms that he is said to have bought his land from Tallasehadjo, a Creek Indian sub-chief, near to the junction of two important streams in the County. On the county map there are two creeks which join together about a mile behind the cabin. Elliott records say that they owned about 980 acres of land. He was a member of the Alabama state Legislature in 1857, during the War when Jeff Davis was President, and afterward he was County Treasurer of Talladega County. While he was in the Legislature his wife Ferbia, ran a boarding house, and then the Masonic Institute, and the same building was sold to the State Institute for the Deaf and Dumb and Dr. Johnson and Sebe Johnson were in charge of this until their deaths. He is said to have been county treasurer for six years and three terms in the General Assembly.He was a signer of the ordinance of secession before the Civil War. He gave money to the Cause (Confederate) and his sons served in the Army. When he was 68 (1871) he returned to visit the home in Virginia where he was born. In a letter he said that he visited Warren, VA. In a visit to Warren, near Scottsville, I met Mr. John Morris, a long resident who's family has lived in Warren since before the Revolutionary War. He said that very few families have lived in Warren and that in the late1800s these families were the Scotts and the Tapscotts. TheTapscotts moved to Warren from Buckingham County sometime after a Mr. Cole was shot to death. This was after1850. Charles Carter was tall, finely formed, dark skinned, had large ears,and dark eyed. He was a founder of the Owen Springs Methodist Church and remained a member to his death. He was a good shot with a squirrel rifle. He liked jokes and puzzles. He smoked from the age of 20 years all the rest of his life. I have seen the cabin that he built north of Talladega. It is two 15 to 20 ft square two story log cabins with a dog trot hall between and a large room running the width of the two cabins combined and about 15 to 20 feet deep at the rear. A second cabin is built to the right front with corners almost touching. It consists of two rooms, one toward the first cabin and the second room away from it. A large front porch across the front of the first cabin wraps around and is shared by the second cabin. To find the cabin drive north east from Talladega on highway 21 toward Anniston and turn left onto route 5 just outside the Talladega city limits. Drive about 4.5 miles until you see a very small lake to the right of the road. Ignore a very sharp left turn and take the close-by right angle left turn onto a dirt road.The Carter farm is almost immediately to the right on this road.You will see a gate with a road leading to a rather rundown cabin (Charles Carter's cabin). To the left of the cabin, about 40 feet away is the cemetery. It is inside of a 2.5' stone wall and was overgrown with about 7' rose bushes and weeds when I last saw it in May 1992. Behind the cabin is a very large field which contained a heard of cows and a very nosy bull.There were also two or three out houses to the rear. Charles Carter had slaves before the Civil War. In 1927 four were still living. The oldest was Jerry Harris who was 85 and blind in1927. The 1850 Alabama census gives some interesting data on Charles Carter's household which I have greatly supplemented with information from grave stones, spacing requirements, and Mrs. Mason (Griffin?) in Biloxi: Charles Carter, age 49, occupation Farmer Feriba T., age 38 Martha Ann Carter, born 1829 (married before 1850?) William Henry Carter Sr., (born about1830 and died when one year old) Mary E. Carter, age 17 (born about 1832?) Robert J. Carter Jr., age 15 (born 1834) Margaret M. Carter, age 13 (born 12/12/1837) Virginia A. M. Carter, age11 (born 2/29/1839) Sarah (Sally) Carter, age 9 (born 1840) Susan Elizabeth Carter, age 6 (born 1843) Sidney V. Carter, age 3, female (born 1846) Charles Franklin Carter, age 1 (born10/29/1848) Mourning , age 80 Hannah Veazey, age 58 James Watkins Carter (born 12/22/1850) John Albert Carter (born3/19/1853) Augusta Steele Carter (born 6/25/1858) Charles Carter executed an affidavit in support of his mother's claim for a Revolutionary War widows pension. In it he gives his age as 54 in 1857. He also said in the affidavit that he left VA 42 years earlier. That would have made him 12 years old when he left and the year 1815. He said that his father served almost three years during the war and that VA was 1100 miles way from where he was then. E. Grace Jemison, Historic Tales of Talladega (Library of Congress). See house plan in folder. There are several stories about Charles Carter from his Great-granddaughter, Francis Griffin, in Mississippi. One of the stories about Grandfather Carter was that in his final years he had a man who looked after him by the name of Jonah. He was very fond of the man but had difficulty remembering his name so when Jonah was out of the room, Grandfather would pound the floor with his cane and yell "the man that swallowed the whale, the man that swallowed the whale." And he got action. A lady who was friends with Uncle John's daughters, Narnie and Sarah, told me when she was visiting them over-night once the following happened. Each evening, the family had prayers with all the family kneeling and Grandfather Carter leading the prayer session. The family owned a small terrier-type dog. That evening as everyone's head was bowed and Grandfather Carter started to pray, the dog jumped upon his back and with each word he said, the dog barked. The dog was brushed off but right back he came. Of course, the children began to laugh. Grandfather finally gave up, saying "maybe God wants to hear the dog more than me." According to Thomas M Owen,History of Alabama and Dictionary of Alabama Biography (S. J.Clarke Publishing Co, Chicago, 1921), p. 1294 the Alabama state representatives from Talladega County during the Civil war were:1857-58-James B. Martin, John T. Bell, D. H. Remson1859-60-Lewis E. Parsons, John T. Bell, Charles Carter1860-61-Lewis E. Parsons, John T. Bell, Charles Carter1861(first called)- Lewis E. Parsons, John T. Bell, Charles Carter 1861(second called)- Levi W. Lawler, George S. Walden,Charles Carter 1861-62-Levi W. Lawler, George S. Walden, Charles Carter 1862-63-Levi W. Lawler, George S. Walden, Charles Carter1863(called)-Levi W. Lawler, Lewis E. Parsons 1863-64-Levi W.Lawler, Lewis E. Parsons 1864-65-Levi W. Lawler, Lewis E.Parsons 1865-66-George P. Plowman, J. D. Mc-Cann, James W.Hardie 1866-87-George P. Plowman, J. D. Mc-Cann, James W. Hardie1868-E. T. Childress, H. W. W. Rice 1869-70-E. T. Childress, H.W. W. Rice According to his son J. W. Carter, in 1857, during the inauguration of Buchanan, Charles Carter visited an old uncle in Warren, VA who lived in the house were Charles was born. It was the only time he ever visited his old house (were he was born according to J. W. Carter) in Warren Virginia from the time he left at seven. I have found out from Mr. John L.Morris, Jr., that the Tapscotts were one of the few families living in Warren at the time. He gave me the name of Don Howard, in California, a descendant of the Tapscotts, who verified that his ancestors were James Tapscott and Martha Burgess, and that they lived in Warren's Ferry about 1800. I am sure that it was they who Charles Carter visited. James Watkins Carter, in his letter to Mrs. Curry, said that the Tapscotts were living in the house in which Charles Carter was born. It would locate John Carter there if it were true. However, Mr.Morris didn't know of any Carters who lived in the county except Edward Carter's family.

  1. Note: This could be the excerpted item published by the Talladega paper from the interview with the reporter of the Dallas News referred to in the obituary NEARLY A CENTENARIAN Mr. CHARLES CARTER OF ALABAMA TELLS OF THE PAST Published 1893 A Lifelong Democrat Predicts That the Government 'Will Go to Pieces & (Grover) Cleveland a statesman Mr. Charles Carter of Talladega County, Alabama recently visited his son, Mr. Charles F. Carter at the corner of Ross avenue and Crockett street. Mr. Carter was born on the 8th of May 1903 in Albermarle County, Virginia, and he is in his 90th year. Not withstanding his ripe age, he is hale and heart and his hold on vitality enabled him to travel from his home in Alabama to Dallas and from Dallas to Belton,where another son resides. He has lived through the nineteenth century, during which the nation grew from the colonial period to its present power and greatness and the most wonderful achievements which characterize this as a fast age were developed. He has been a close and intelligent observer, is a ready conversationist and a chat with him is more refreshing and interesting than perusal of the volumes of history which have been made during the period of his long and active life. Though a planter all his life he takes an active interest in politics and beginning with a two years' term as magistrate he served his county as treasurer six years and he was three terms as representative of his district in the Alabama legislature. When a News representative called on Mr. Carter, he found him sitting on the porch in his shirt sleeves, enjoying the cool of the late afternoon, while others were comfortable in heavy coats. He extended a cordial welcome. * * * When asked to what he attributed his long life, his ruddy complexion and his immunity from the feebleness of old age he replied, "To hard work,regular habits and an outdoor life." "My friends tell me," he proceeded, that I have taken care of myself, but I tell them I have not. Taking care of people as it is understood these days kills more of them than anything else. I have used tobacco seventy years, and yet I reckon I did wrong in learning to use it. My father died when I was 18 months old. My mother was poor,and the laws of Virginia in those days excepted nothing. I received a fair education. I have been a member of the Methodist church seventy-four years, a democrat all my life, and I think my chances for the future are about as good as the chances of any of the rest of them. I don't care to live longer, only I want to vote one more time and I want to see Cleveland elected.Thomas Jefferson was president when I was born and I have lived under the administration of every president of these United States except Washington. I was married on the 15th of December1827 to Miss F. T. Veasey of Madison county, Alabama, and my wife died in the spring of 1886 there being fifty-nine years of married life. We had thirteen children , seven of whom are living - two in Texas - and I have eighty three lineal descendants, including two great-great grandchildren." * * *Mr. Carter's happy jovial nature crops out in witty expressions every now and then in his conversation. "I am one of the first families of Virginia," he said. "They all left the state and it seems they have a sorry lot now. They turned republican and went after Mahone, but I believe there is no state like old Virginia.I was thirty years ago at the old Home where I was born. I cast,my first vote for Andrew Jackson in 1824, I was simply a Jackson man. I wasn't a democrat then. I was simply a Jackson man. He won the Battle at New Orleans and he whipped the Indians and the Indians thought he was the greatest man living. I voted for him three times and I have voted for a democrat for president seventeen times and never missed going to the ballot-box for a single time. I think Jackson was one of the best presidents we ever had, but he never would have been made president if he hadn't won at the battle of New Orleans. War records made several men president and they have assisted a great many men into office. Zach Taylor was a good fighter and that was all,and so were Tippecanoe Harrison and Grant, I think people become very foolish in campaign times. I went to the Dallas convention here and got disgusted and left, but in my young days I acted as many of them did. During Polk's campaign I went with a party to a rally and we tented a whole week. He was called hickory too,and when we were on our way to the rally we stopped in a hickory thicket. There were about 1500 men in the party and we all secured hickories and serenaded the town with them. It looks foolish to me now. During Tippecanoe Harrison's campaign he was the poor man's candidate. He was represented as having a log cabin covered with coon skins and the latch string always on the outside to the poor man. The Whigs built log cabins out of pound cakes and had them at their gatherings. On one of our gatherings we got a big poke stalk and fastened it in the shaft of a wagon and tied Tippecanoe's coon by the neck and had him dangling from the top of the poke stalk. Now, what was the argument there in that? When Harrison died, John Tyler made a first-class democratic president. He vetoed the Whigs' national bank scheme and they accused him of being a traitor to his party. But he was no traitor. He wasn't elected president and he wasn't bound to do what they wanted done." * * * Conversation drifting to the present political era, Mr. Carter observed:"Cleveland has many of the traits of Jackson. He is as pure as Clay or Webster, but he has not got the hold on people that they had. He knows when he wrote that silver letter that he would be persecuted and his position on the tariff he knew would injure him, but he is bold, fearless and honest and I would as soon trust him as any man in the government. In the early days of this government we had statesmen. Judge McCormick says we have more statesmen today than we had then, but I tell him we have more politicians who will sell the government out for their own political aggrandizement than we had then. I don't believe in my fellow man as I did fifty years ago. I have lost confidence. I don't believe we are capable of self-government, and I believe this government will develop this fact. I don't like to prophecy evil, but I believe the government of the United States more than twenty-five years in its present form. I think there will be a revolution of blood or opinion and our constitution will be changed. We may drift into a monarchy. I have watched the course of this government nearly ninety years, and we have never had anything like the spectacle that is presented today. In the past we had isms and issues,We had to have them then. We had the "knownothing" ism and the United States bank and internal improvement issues, but such absurdities as confront the people now were never proposed then. Can you conceive of a republican form of government with all the people discontented? They are all restless and dissatisfied. There are too many issues and we have no statesmen who can bring about a reconciliation." * * *Referring to the progress of science and inventions during the century, Mr. Carter said: About all that has been done on that line has been accomplished within the last sixty years. The first railroad that I knew anything about was built in 1832. It was a line about thirty miles long, running from Mussel Shoals to Tuscumbia. It was built of stringers laid on the ground and flat iron placed on top of them and bolted down. There were no cross ties. I think the building of that road broke practically every man who had anything to do with it. I never rode on it. My first trip in a railway car, I think was made over the Selma, Rome and Dalton road, which the first to penetrate middle Alabama. We made very slow time and wrecks were common.Sometimes the wheels would pick up a rail and it would shoot through the air and kill a lot of people. Most all travel then was by stage. Some merchants went through on horseback to New York to buy goods. It took three months to make the trip. They had to carry their money with them. Before leaving they would try to get United States money, or else when they traded in New York their state money would be shaved. We had state banks in those days, and under the law any man could receive acceptable indorsers [sic] and could procure the recommendation of his representative in the legislature to his application and could borrow any sum from the state banks not exceeding $2000. It wasn't much trouble to get indorsers [sic], and if the representative was a candidate for re-election, or for any other office it was no trouble to get his recommendation. Some men who made acceptable indorsers [sic] sold the use of their names. This banking system, went out of date, I think in 1837 and it nearly bankrupted the state We are paying interest on money issued then to this very day. While it was in vogue I never saw money so plentiful, but the crisis came and I never saw money scarcer in my life. Values depreciated by about half and you couldn't sell your property for hardly anything. That's what inflation and booms do. It is just like getting a man drunk and sobering up. I never knew people to get in debt during the hard times. They always get in debt when times are flush. That is when they buy everything they want and if they have got the money they go in debt for it. "There were no newspaper to speak of in my early days. We got our news by stage and it traveled very slow. The first newspaper in Alabama that I knew anything about was the Huntsville Demo. It was established by W. B. Long, a Kentuckian, and one of the brightest young men I ever knew. I saw a copy of one of the first issues fifteen or twenty years ago and I wish you could have seen it. I tried to buy it but the party who had it wouldn't give it up. It was printed on two sheets about the size of fools cap and it was full of advertisements about runaway Negroes. Long was finally elected to the legislature, but he died before he began his term office.His partner continued the paper and it is running yet. "I could tell you enough to fill a volume, young man," he continued. "The first gin I ever saw was in Virginia. It had about ten saws I think. I remember my grandmother had a big bag of cotton that you wanted to have ginned, and we boys had a bog squabble over who should enjoy the novelty of going to the gin. I got to go, I remember, and I had to wait a long time before I could get my cotton. When I went to Alabama, which was then known as the Mississippi territory, in 1813, comparatively little cotton was raised. In those days we couldn't gin over one bale a day. We got it to market by hauling it ten miles to Whitesburg and loading it on the Tennessee river on flatboats and sending it around by Memphis to New Orleans. John Terry, who is now living back there, was a steersman and he made money boating cotton."I remember when the first telegraph came about. We didn't believe in it. People were mightily divided on the question of its success and we used to have some warm discussions over it. I don't like to prophesy about electricity. I don't know what they may do with it, but I am sort of a skeptic yet on some inventions." * * * Then Mr. Carter told of his dealings with the Indians and his observations of their characteristics. "I bought land in 1835 from Tallasehadgo and Archie Leslie,one-half section from each. They were Creek Indians and Tallasehadgo was the last Indian to sell in that county. When I first went to him with an interpreter to negotiate about buying the land his wife overheard the conversation and she came tearing out and I never heard a woman go on at such a rate. My interpreter told me it was no use, the old woman spoiled the business, But afterward I learned I made a good impression on Tallasehadgo and he stuck to me to the last. His wife told me she would be over the next day to see my wife. I told her she could come, but I knew she wouldn't like my wife because she was so ugly. The next day, sure enough, here come Tallasehadgo and his wife. As soon as she saw my wife she commenced laughing."Why," says she, "she's a good looking woman and the only thing about her that makes we wonder is that she took you as a husband." I told her there was nothing ugly about me but my ears. "Yes," she says, "and I want them for saddle skirts." She was as sharp as a briar, and I tell you, while Indians are not educated, they are naturally smart. Tallasehadgo wouldn't sell it to me for a long time. He allowed me to live on his land, and he told me he would some day sell to me. He was an indian of strict integrity. Others tried to buy the land, but he wouldn't sell to them. He kept his promise to let me have the land, and I am living on it to this day. " Mr. Carter is familiar with the political situation in Texas. His son, Mr. C.F. Carter of Dallas is supporting Geo. Clark for governor while his other son living at Belton, is a Hog supporter, and therefore the old gentlemen remains neutral on the subject of Texas politics. "I like Texas and her people," he said, " and if I was a young man again I expect I would live here, but there are some things her I don't like. The son tells me that you have courts running all the time and you have the worst water in Texas I ever saw. The grand juries, I am told, hold six weeks' sessions. It is bad enough where I live but it must be worse here. A week's session of the grand jury is long enough for us; but then it used to be said that all of our bad people left us and came to Texas," saying which he laughed.
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Birth: May 8, 1803 Albemarle County Virginia, USA Death: Feb. 6, 1895 Talladega County Alabama, USA

In "Alabama: Her History, Resources, War Record, and Public Men from 1540-1872" by W. Brewer, c. 1872, it is related that Charles Carter served Talladega County as a state representative for two terms during 1859-'63.


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Parents:
 Mourning Bond Carter (1768 - 1861)

Spouse:
 Feriba T. Carter (1811 - 1887)

Children:
 Susan E. Carter Turner (1843 - 1884)*
 James Watkins Carter (1850 - 1941)*
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Burial: Carter Family Cemetery Talladega County Alabama, USA


Maintained by: Robert and Diedre Originally Created by: mike reeves Record added: Aug 10, 2012 Find A Grave Memorial# 95133300 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=95133300

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Charles Carter, III's Timeline

1803
May 8, 1803
undefined, VA, USA
1827
December 15, 1827
Age 24
Alabama, United States
1829
January 27, 1829
Age 25
undefined, AL, USA
1830
May 26, 1830
Age 27
1832
October 7, 1832
Age 29
Madison, AL, USA
1835
February 11, 1835
Age 31
undefined, AL, USA
1836
December 12, 1836
Age 33
Talladega, AL, USA
1839
February 28, 1839
Age 35
1841
May 9, 1841
Age 38
Talladega, AL, USA
1843
October 6, 1843
Age 40