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Robert Coleman, Sr.

Birthdate:
Birthplace: Braxton,Mango,Essex,England
Death: Died in Tindall's Point, Gloucester, Virginia
Immediate Family:

Son of Sir Richard Coleman and Lady Rebecca Coleman (Claiborne)
Husband of Elizabeth Grizzell
Father of Capt. Robert Coleman; Daniel Coleman; Grizelle Coleman Clement; Elizabeth Frances Tucker (Coleman); Joseph Coleman and 2 others
Brother of William Coleman; Nicholas Coleman and Thomas Coleman

Occupation: Sailed to America in 1637, headright, Sheriff
Managed by: Private User
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About Robert Coleman, Sr.

Please Note: The father of Robert Coleman of Mobjack Bay, Virginia is not known with any certainty at this time. Please see: http://genforum.genealogy.com/coleman/messages/4715.html

Known as Robert Coleman of Mobjack Bay, Virginia. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mobjackbaycolemans/index.html

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Useful webpages about his ancestors: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=norvan&id=I72853&style=TEXT

  • Death also reported as 1680, 1682
  • Birth also reported as 1619, 1620, 1630
  • Birthplace also reported as Suffolk, UK
  • See summary of sources on birth and death at end of this article.

Robert COLEMAN came to Virginia about 1638. He was named as head right in a grant to Thomas SYMONS, March 2,1638. Patent Book I, Part II, Page 624. It is to be noted that Thomas SYMONS, by grant dated October 10, 1642, received a tract of land in that part of the Colony which was to become Gloucester County.Patent Book I, Part II, Page 830.

Robert was born in England c1620 and married Elizabeth GRIZZELL, daughter of William c1655 in Virginia. She was born in England c1622. Robert died in Gloucester County, VA c1680. His descendants relocated throughout the United States. Those remaining in Virginia included many politicians and judges in Pittsylvania County, VA. Some of his descendants still reside in Southwest Virginia.

Robert COLEMAN was settled in Gloucester County in 1658, for by deed dated August 2, 1658, Francis CARPENTER conveyed a tract of land in Westmoreland County to "Robert COLEMAN of Mobjack Bay, Gloucester County". D.& W. Book I, Page 103, Westmoreland County Records.

Thereafter he acquired by grant a tract of land on Burnt Creek in Gloucester County, adjoining lands of Daniel CLARK, Richard FOSTER "and another development of his own." This grant is dated March 18, 1662.Patent Book 5, Page 352. By grant dated March 10, 1672, he acquired two hundred acres more adjoining CLARK and other.Patent Book 6, Page 34.

His neighbors and adjoining landowners were, among other, Captain Lawrence SMITH, Daniel CLARK, Daniel LAUGHAM, Thomas and Jeffrey GRAVES. See Patent Book 5, Page 240; Patent Book 6, Page 560: Patent Book 7, Page 163.

From the location of the lands described in the various grants, the property of Robert COLEMAN can be said to have been situated near “The Great Road leading to Tindall’s Point” (now Gloucester Point) in Gloucester County, VA. No activity can be found for Robert after 1680.

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Robert Coleman was born in the county of Essex, England in 1622. He married Elizabeth Grizzell, daughter of William Grizzell about 1650 in Rappahannock, Essex, VA. Robert Coleman died in 1689 at Tyndalls Point, Gloucester, VA. Robert arrived in America on 2 March 1648 as a headright of Thomas Symons. Robert landed in upper Norfolk County in VA and later settled near Mobjack Bay in Gloucester County, VA by 1658 whereupon he entered into a deed with Francis Carpenter for land in Westmoreland County. He made several other land purchases in Virginia. from http://genealogical-gleanings.com/Early%20Virginia.htm

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Name: Robert COLEMAN

Surname: Coleman

Given Name: Robert

Sex: M

Birth: ABT 1630

Death: 1689 in Gloucester Co., VA

Notes:

Sherry Nicols emphatically stated in her research that Robert's father was not Richard or Henry. She wrote a book about the Colemans.

Sir James Coleman of Braxton Mango, Sussex, England was not the ancestor of Robert Coleman of Mobjack Bay. Henry Coleman of Elizabeth City, VA was not the ancestor of Robert Coleman of Mobjack Bay. Richard Coleman was not the father of Robert Coleman of Mobjack Bay. There is no evidence (yet) that a descendant of Col. Nicholas Spencer of Westmoreland Co. VA married into the Mobjack Bay Colemans. (Col. Spencer's wife was Frances Mottram, not Mothan.)

Robert Coleman's name appeared on a list of headrights on 2 Mar 1638 in Upper Norfolk Co., meaning he was in VA by that date. His name later appeared as a witness to York Co. records between 1646-48. Robert Coleman was among the early colonists in Gloucester Co., which was opened for white settlement on 1 Sep 1649. Robert died in Gloucester Co. sometime after 6 May 1682, the last mention of him in any existing record. During the War Between The States, Gloucester Co. records were taken to Richmond for safekeeping and were destroyed when Richmond was evacuated and burned. But the few records in existence are evidence that Robert Coleman lived in Abingdon Parish, Gloucestor Co. VA.

When Robert and his wife, Elizabeth Grizzell (marriage date unknown), crossed the York River to Tindall's Point in what became Gloucester Co., they probably settled along the Severne River between Tindall's Point and Mobjack Bay. In the early days of the colony, rivers and tidal streams provided the easiest means of transportation for settlers. The waterways also provided a source of food and a means of shipping tobacco, Virginia's major exportable commodity.

During Bacon's Rebellion in 1676, the Abingdon Parish Register was destroyed, forever denying us the facts about any children born to Robert Coleman and Elizabeth Grizzell. (VA law required that all births and deaths be reported to the parish minister.) Based on available evidence, the six known surviving children of Robert and Elizabeth Coleman were Thomas, Robert, Joseph, Grizzell, Daniel and John.

There is no evidence anywhere of Robert Coleman's birth year. However, he was not born in 1620 and did not marry Elizabeth Mott in Ireland or anywhere else. Records from Brent-Eleigh Parish in Suffolk, England prove this and are reprinted on pgs. 15-17 in my book.

The birth year of Robert Coleman of Mobjack Bay was more likely ca. 1630, and he was brought to VA as a young boy. He may have been a son of the Edward Coleman whose name appeared on a Lower Norfolk Co. headright list in 1637, and on a 1638 list of ages of people residing in that county. But this is only speculation. For anyone interested in pursuing the ancestry of Robert Coleman of Mobjack Bay, they should start with the Edward Colman of Suffolk, England whose will was proved in 1596. (See p. 15 of my book.)

Coleman genealogy by Emily Anne Croom is the most authoritative.

Marriage 1 Elizabeth GRIZZELL b: 1632 in Rappahannock, Essex Co., VA

   Married: ABT 1650 in Rappahannock, Essex Co., VA

Children

  1. Robert COLEMAN b: 1656 in Abington Parish, Gloucester Co., VA
  2. Grizzell COLEMAN

from internet - http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=coleman&id=I35882

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Robert Coleman Sr. came to America on 2 May 1638

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•Name: Robert COLEMAN Sr.

•Surname: Coleman

•Given Name: Robert

•Suffix: Sr.

•Sex: M

•Birth: ABT 1616 in prob, Essex, , England

•Death: AFT May 1682 in , Gloucester, Virginia, USA

Robert Coleman, Sr. came to Colony on March 2, 1638 as headright of Thomas Symons.

He settled in close proximity to Tindall's Point near the South Branch of the Severne River at Mobjack Bay, later Gloucester Co. Va. (Patent Bk 1 Pt 2, pg 624, 250 acres)

Known as Robert Coleman of Mobjack Bay, Virginia.

In a grant dated 18 Mar 1662, Robert acquired 110 acres on Burnt Creek in Gloucester Co adjoining lands of Daniel Clark, Richard Foster and "another development of his own". (Patent Bk 5, pg. 352/369, for transporting 3 people)

A similar deed on 18 March 1672 for 200 acres for transporting 4 people.

Robert was still alive on 6 May 1682 when he was mentioned in a deed transaction of Abraham Bradley. (Deed Bk 7, pg 163 Abingdon Parish, Gloucester, Va)

Marriage 1 Elizabeth GRIZZELL b: in prob, Essex, , England

•Married: ABT 1653 in , Gloucester, Virginia, USA

Children

1. Thomas COLEMAN b: ABT 1654 in , Gloucester, Virginia, USA c: in Abington Par, Gloucester, Virginia, USA

2. ROBERT COLEMAN Jr. b: ABT 1656 in of, Gloucester, Virginia, USA

3. Grizzell COLEMAN b: ABT 1658 in , Gloucester, Virginia, USA

4. Joseph COLEMAN b: ABT 1660 in , Gloucester, Virginia, USA

5. Daniel COLEMAN b: ABT 1662 in , Gloucester, Virginia, USA

6. John COLEMAN b: ABT 1666 in of, Gloucester, Virginia, USA

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Robert married Elizabeth Grizzell, although no records exist as proof. Very little is known about Elizabeth, other than the name "Grizzell" is a Scottish form of "Grace". There were at least two men in the colony at that time with the surname of Grizzell: Humphrey and William. Nothing further is known about either man. Robert and Elizabeth had six known surviving children: Thomas, ROBERT, Joseph, Grizzell, Daniel and John.

Source:http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mobjackbaycolemans/index.html

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Birth abt 1625, England Death aft May 1682, Tindalls Point, Gloucester Co, VA, reported by http://www.rpi.edu/~holmes/Hobbies/Genealogy/ps13/ps13_201.htm

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Robert died in Gloucester Co. sometime after 6 May 1682, the last mention of him in any existing, record. During the War Between The States, Gloucester Co. records were taken to Richmond for safekeeping and were destroyed when Richmond was evacuated and burned. But the few records in existence are evidence that Robert Coleman lived in Abingdon Parish, Gloucestor Co. VA, reported by http://genforum.genealogy.com/coleman/messages/4715.html

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Robert was born in England c1620. No activity can be found for Robert after 1680, reported by http://personal.linkline.com/xymox/roh/coleman.htm

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Robert Coleman [a] b abt 1620, prob Wales, d 1689, Gloucester, VA, reported by http://www.geneajourney.com/coleman.html

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ROBERT2 COLEMAN (UNKNOWN1) was born Abt. 1620 in Essex England, and died 1675 in Tyndalls Point, Glouchester, Virginia, reported by http://www.kykinfolk.com/henry/coleman.htm

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From Cavaliers and Pioneers, we find Robert Coleman granted 110 acres in Gloucester County, 18 Mar 1662, for the transportation of 3 persons. From Charles City County Court Orders and Fragments 1664-1696, p 309, is recorded a Deed of Gift, dated 20 May 1663, in which Robt Coleman Senr of "Apamatick" in C.C. Co. gives "unto my sonne Robt Coleman now Jun'r", part of "my land" on the Southside of Apamatuck River "I know not the quantity of it". "bounded as foll the bredth of it upon the River shall be from the Land of Robt Burgesse down the River side to two marked oakes w'ch stand at the West end of my now dwelling house." This was signed "RC" and witnessed by Thomas Batte and Thomas Daulby, and "Sworne in Court by Robt Coleman sen'r" 3 June 1663. From Cavaliers & Pioneers, Patent Book 5, p 508, is a grant for "ROBT. COLEMAN, 110 acs. Gloster Co., 18 Mar 1662, p. 352 (369). On main branch of Burts Cr., beg. at Danll Clarkes land, running N.W. by N. &c. to Richard Fosters land, then N. &c. to another devdt. of his own &c. Trans. of 3 pers: Gabriell Bradmeed, Tho. Follit, Ann Madden."

Source: http://www.geneajourney.com/coleman.html

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Almost 22 years have passed since I began the search for the ancestors of my Revolutionary War grandfather, Spencer Coleman. During those years, I've seen a lot of strange theories regarding our immigrant ancestor, Robert Coleman of Mobjack Bay, Gloucester Co. VA. With so many people posting their Coleman family tree on the Internet, it's important to get the facts straight. (Please refer to Judge Solon B. Coleman's 1959 Coleman family manuscript and my 1998 book "The Coleman Family of Mobjack Bay, VA", both available through the inter-library loan program from the VA State Library.) I hope the information from this posting will be helpful.

Sir James Coleman of Braxton Mango, Sussex, England was not the ancestor of Robert Coleman of Mobjack Bay. Henry Coleman of Elizabeth City, VA was not the ancestor of Robert Coleman of Mobjack Bay. Richard Coleman was not the father of Robert Coleman of Mobjack Bay. There is no evidence (yet) that a descendant of Col. Nicholas Spencer of Westmoreland Co. VA married into the Mobjack Bay Colemans. (Col. Spencer's wife was Frances Mottram, not Mothan.)

Robert Coleman of Mobjack Bay did not live in Fairfax Co. VA. That county was not formed until 1742, many years after his death.

In all existing records, our immigrant ancestor is listed as ROBERT COLEMAN, not Robert Edward Coleman. No middle name, no middle initial. (This is also true of his son Robert.)

If you see any of the above information posted on the Internet or on someone's family tree, request the sources and verify them.

The known facts about our immigrant ancestor (supported by records) are:

Robert Coleman's name appeared on a list of headrights on 2 Mar 1638 in Upper Norfolk Co., meaning he was in VA by that date. His name later appeared as a witness to York Co. records between 1646-48. Robert Coleman was among the early colonists in Gloucester Co., which was opened for white settlement on 1 Sep 1649. Robert died in Gloucester Co. sometime after 6 May 1682, the last mention of him in any existing record. During the War Between The States, Gloucester Co. records were taken to Richmond for safekeeping and were destroyed when Richmond was evacuated and burned. But the few records in existence are evidence that Robert Coleman lived in Abingdon Parish, Gloucestor Co. VA.

When Robert and his wife, Elizabeth Grizzell (marriage date unknown), crossed the York River to Tindall's Point in what became Gloucester Co., they probably settled along the Severne River between Tindall's Point and Mobjack Bay. In the early days of the colony, rivers and tidal streams provided the easiest means of transportation for settlers. The waterways also provided a source of food and a means of shipping tobacco, Virginia's major exportable commodity.

During Bacon's Rebellion in 1676, the Abingdon Parish Register was destroyed, forever denying us the facts about any children born to Robert Coleman and Elizabeth Grizzell. (VA law required that all births and deaths be reported to the parish minister.) Based on available evidence, the six known surviving children of Robert and Elizabeth Coleman were Thomas, Robert, Joseph, Grizzell, Daniel and John.

There is no evidence anywhere of Robert Coleman's birth year. However, he was not born in 1620 and did not marry Elizabeth Mott in Ireland or anywhere else. Records from Brent-Eleigh Parish in Suffolk, England prove this and are reprinted on pgs. 15-17 in my book. I'll be happy to e-mail a copy of this information to anyone who is interested.

The birth year of Robert Coleman of Mobjack Bay was more likely ca. 1630, and he was brought to VA as a young boy. He may have been a son of the Edward Coleman whose name appeared on a Lower Norfolk Co. headright list in 1637, and on a 1638 list of ages of people residing in that county. But this is only speculation and should not be posted on the Internet as fact. For anyone interested in pursuing the ancestry of Robert Coleman of Mobjack Bay, they should start with the Edward Colman of Suffolk, England whose will was proved in 1596. (See p. 15 of my book.)

There has also been a lot of misinformation posted on the Internet and on family trees regarding the descendants of Robert Coleman and Elizabeth Grizzell. If anyone is interested in what is curently known (until evidence proves otherwise) about their descendants, I would be willing to post separate messages to this forum.

The most ideal situation when trying to solve any genealogy puzzle would be to find exact answers that would enable us to fill in gaps on our family tree. In reality, that situation almost never happens. And if it did, genealogy would be a lot less interesting. The lack of answers does not mean it's okay to "make up" names or dates regarding an ancestor, and doing so truly defies logic. If you see anything posted on the Internet or on family trees that you do not know from personal knowledge is supported by evidence, request a source and verify it.

Source: http://genforum.genealogy.com/coleman/messages/4715.html

-------------------- It is believed by some that Robert Coleman's parents were Sir James Coleman and Mary Spencer of England (skipping a generation here). Mary Spencer was the daughter of Colonel Nicholas Spencer and Frances Mathon.

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Col. Robert Coleman, of Mobjack Bay, Virginia's Timeline

1632
1632
Braxton,Mango,Essex,England
1637
1637
Age 5
1654
1654
Age 22
Gloucester, Gloucester, Virginia, United States
1655
1655
Age 23
Rappahannock, VA, USA
1656
1656
Age 24
Abingdon Parish, Gloucester, Virginia
1657
1657
Age 25
Charles City County, Virginia Colony
1658
1658
Age 26
1660
1660
Age 28
Gloucester Co, Virginia
1662
1662
Age 30
Gloucester, Virginia, United States
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1665
Age 33
Gloucester, Virginia