Dreux de Mantes (c.1000 - 1035) MP

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Nicknames: "Drogon"
Birthplace: Mantes (Present Mantes-la-Jolie), Pays de France (Present Region Ile-de-France), France
Death: Died in Probably Nicaea (Present Iznik), (Present Bursa il), Opsician Theme, Byzantine Empire (Present Turkey)
Cause of death: Died while returning from the Holy Land on pilgrimage with Robert I/II "le Magnifique" de Normandie.
Occupation: Comte d'Amboise, Count Of Amiens & Vexin, Count of Valois and the Vexin
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About Dreux de Mantes

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Parents:

  • Father: Gauthier II "le Blanc" (d. after 1017), Comte d'Amiens et du Vexin
  • Mother: Adela (fl. 1006)

Siblings:

  • 1. Raoul de Mantes (d. 1060)
  • 3. Foulques de Mantes (fl. 1030) - English Wikipedia indicates that he could have served as Bishop of Amiens before 1036 (though it also shows that he served twice, also in the early 990s)
  • 4. Unknown Wife of Hugues Comte de Meulan (who died 1030)

Spouse:

  • Godgifu/Goda of England (d. before 1049)

Children:

  • 1. Ralph/Raoul "The Timid" de Mantes (d. 21 December 1057, bur. Peterborough Abbey Church), Earl of Hereford (1052-1057)
  • 2. Gauthier III de Mantes (1031-1063, poisoned at Falaise by henchmen of Guillaume II de Normandie after capture in war contesting the Comte du Maine), Comte de Mantes (1035-1063), m. Biote du Maine (poisoned to death around same time)
  • 3. Foulques de Mantes, Bishop of Amiens (possibly listed as Foulques de Valois, the nephew, served 1057-c1077)

Basic information:

Birth: Unknown date, but born in Mantes, Pays de France (this became the Ile-de-France in the 14th century)

Baptiism: Unknown.

Marriage: 1025 or before.

Death: 13 August 1035, location is either Nicaea or somewhere west of Nicaea - he arrived in that city in present Turkey sometime between July 1 and 3, where his lord on pilgrimage to Jerusalem was poisoned on the way back from the Holy Land. The story of the fate of the knights following Robert I/II "le Magnifique" de Normandie on this pilgrimage would be useful in determining Dreux's fate.

Burial: Unknown, but probably with Robert I/II "le Magnifique" de Normandie.

Occupation: Comte de Mantes et d'Amboise

Alternate Name: Dreux (probably in France), Drogo (probably in England)... most sources say de Mantes (place of origin), though he has a second title (Comte d'Amboise).

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From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Paris Region Nobility (covering his birth family:

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/PARIS%20REGION%20NOBILITY.htm#RaoulHereforddied1057A

GAUTHIER [II] "le Blanc", son of GAUTHIER [I] Comte d'Amiens & his [first/second] wife [Eva---/Adela ---] (-after 1017).

  • "Wauterii comitis, Walterii et Radulfi filiorum eius" subscribed a charter dated 975 under which "Hugo Francorum dux" restored the abbey of Saint-Jean to the abbey of Sainte-Croix d'Orléans[1298]. A charter of "Hugo…Francorum rex" confirming the privileges of the monastery of Corvey dated 987 is subscribed by "Walteri comitis Ambianensis ac filiorum eius Walteri, Gotfredi, Rodulfi"[1299].
  • Comte de Mantes. "Walterius comes" donated property "prope nostrum castellum…Medanta" to "Carnotensi monasterio Sancti Petri", for the soul of "coniugis mee Adelidis filiorumque meorum", by charter to [1006], signed by "Walterii comitis, Rodulfi filii eius, Drogonis filii eius…"[1300].
  • Comte d'Amiens et du Vexin.

1. DREUX [Drogo] de Mantes (-[13 Aug] [1035]).

  • "Walterius comes" donated property "prope nostrum castellum…Medanta" to "Carnotensi monasterio Sancti Petri", for the soul of "coniugis mee Adelidis filiorumque meorum", by charter to [1006], signed by "Walterii comitis, Rodulfi filii eius, Drogonis filii eius…"[1301].
  • He succeeded his father as Comte de Mantes.
  • Comte d'Amiens. "Droco comes Ambianensium" donated property to "Sancti Petri Gismoensis" by undated charter, signed by "Droconis comitis, Eotde comitissæ, Falconis fratris comitis, Rodulfi filiii comitis, Gualterii alterius filii…"[1302].
  • He accompanied Robert II Duke of Normandy to Jerusalem and died on the journey[1303]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Henri I King of France took back the Vexin after the death of Comte Drogo[1304]. The necrology of Reims Saint-Rémi records the death "X Kal Aug" of "Drogo comes"[1305].

m ([1025 or before]) as her first husband, GODGIFU [Goda] of England, daughter of ÆTHELRED II "the Unready" King of England & his second wife Emma de Normandie (-before 1049).

  • Her parentage is stated by Orderic Vitalis, who says that Godgifu went into exile in Normandy with her brother[1306] in 1013.
  • According to Orderic Vitalis, her first marriage was arranged by Robert II Duke of Normandy[1307], indicating that she probably did not return to England. This information is suspect, assuming that the charter of "Robertus Rex", which names "Comes Drogo…cum duobus fratribus Fulcone…et Rodulpho necnon uxore cum filiis supra memorati Drogonis", is correctly dated to 1025 as Duke Robert did not succeed as duke until 1027[1308].
  • Another possibility is that Drogo's children at that date were born from an earlier otherwise unrecorded marriage. There is no indication of the birth dates of his known children shown below, but the fact that none of them was given a typically Anglo-Saxon name also suggests that Godgifu may not have been the mother of all of them (although she is attested as mother of the son Raoul, see below).
  • "Droco comes Ambianensium" donated property to "Sancti Petri Gismoensis" by undated charter, signed by "Droconis comitis, Eotde comitissæ, Falconis fratris comitis, Rodulfi filiii comitis, Gualterii alterius filii…"[1309].
  • Godgifu married secondly ([1036]) as his first wife, Eustache [II] Comte de Boulogne . Her second marriage is referred to by Florence of Worcester[1310].

Comte Drogo & his wife had three children:

a) RAOUL de Mantes (-21 Dec 1057, bur Peterborough).

  • His parentage is given by Orderic Vitalis[1311]. Florence of Worcester calls Raoul the "son of King Edward's sister"[1312]. "Droco comes Ambianensium" donated property to "Sancti Petri Gismoensis" by undated charter, signed by "Droconis comitis, Eotde comitissæ, Falconis fratris comitis, Rodulfi filiii comitis, Gualterii alterius filii…"[1313]. Simeon of Durham names "earl Rodulph the son of king Eadward's sister Goda" in 1051[1314].
  • Earl of Hereford.

b) GAUTHIER [III] de Mantes (before [29 Mar 1030/10 Apr 1031]-poisoned Falaise [2 Aug] 1063).

  • His parentage is given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists him after his brother Raoul[1315]. "Drogo comes" agreed to donate property to Jumièges by charter dated to [29 Mar 1030/10 Apr 1031] subscribed by "Walterii filius eius"[1316]. "Droco comes Ambianensium" donated property to "Sancti Petri Gismoensis" by undated charter, signed by "Droconis comitis, Eotde comitissæ, Falconis fratris comitis, Rodulfi filiii comitis, Gualterii alterius filii…"[1317].
  • He succeeded his father in 1035 as Comte de Mantes. "Comes Walterius" confirmed a donation of property, held by "pater meus Droco comes", to "cœnobii sancti Petri Carnotensis" by charter dated Feb 1055, witnessed by "Teduinus vicecomes Mellentis castri, Gualo vicecomes castri Calidi Montis…"[1318]. "Comes Gualterius" donated property to Chartres Saint-Père by charter dated 22 Jan 1060 which names "pater meus Drogo comes"[1319].
  • He claimed the county of Maine, by right of his wife, after the death in Mar 1062 of her nephew Héribert [II] Comte du Maine and took possession[1320].
  • Guillaume II Duke of Normandy defeated and imprisoned him end-1063. Orderic Vitalis records that Gauthier and his wife died "poisoned - so the rumour goes - by the evil machinations of their enemies", and that Duke Guillaume took control over Maine after this[1321]. The necrology of Saint-Père-en-Vallée records the death "IV Non Aug" of "Gualterius comes"[1322], which may refer to Comte Gauthier [III].
  • m BIOTE du Maine, daughter of HERIBERT [I] "Eveille-Chien" Comte du Maine & his wife --- (-poisoned Falaise 1063). Guillaume de Poitiers names "la sœur de Hugues" as wife of "Gautier comte de Mantes", when recording the latter's claim to Maine[1323]. The primary source which confirms her name has not yet been identified.

c) FOULQUES de Mantes .

  • His parentage is given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists him after his two brothers and specifies that he was Bishop of Amiens[1324].

References:

  • [1298] Thillier, J. and Jarry, E. (eds.) (1906) Cartulaire de Sainte-Croix d'Orléans 814-1300 (Paris) ("Sainte-Croix d'Orléans") LXIII, p. 123.
  • [1299] RHGF X, IV, p. 552.
  • [1300] Chartres Saint-Père I, Liber Septimus, Cap. XLIII, p. 170.
  • [1301] Chartres Saint-Père I, Liber Septimus, Cap. XLIII, p. 170.
  • [1302] Chartres Saint-Père I, Liber Septimus, Cap. XLVI, p. 173.
  • [1303] Orderic Vitalis, Vol. II, Book III, p. 117, and Vol. IV, Book VII, p. 77.
  • [1304] Orderic Vitalis, Vol. IV, Book VII, p. 77.
  • [1305] 'Obits mémorables tirés de nécrologes luxembourgeois, rémois et messins', Revue Mabillon VI (1910-1911), p. 274.
  • [1306] Orderic Vitalis, Vol. IV, Book VII, p. 77.
  • [1307] Orderic Vitalis, Vol. IV, Book VII, p. 77.
  • [1308] RHGF X, L, p. 622.
  • [1309] Chartres Saint-Père I, Liber Septimus, Cap. XLVI, p. 173.
  • [1310] Forester, T. (trans.) (1854) The Chronicles of Florence of Worcester with two continuations (London), 1051, p. 150.
  • [1311] Orderic Vitalis, Vol. IV, Book VII, p. 77.
  • [1312] Florence of Worcester 1055, p. 157.
  • [1313] Chartres Saint-Père I, Liber Septimus, Cap. XLVI, p. 173.
  • [1314] Stevenson, J. (trans.) (1855) The Historical Works of Simeon of Durham (London) (“Simeon of Durham”), p. 535.
  • [1315] Orderic Vitalis, Vol. IV, Book VII, p. 77.
  • [1316] Vernier, J. J. (ed.) (1916) Chartes de l'abbaye de Jumièges, Tome I c 825-1169 (Rouen, Paris) 14, p. 46.
  • [1317] Chartres Saint-Père I, Liber Septimus, Cap. XLVI, p. 173.
  • [1318] Chartres Saint-Père I, Liber Septimus, Cap. LXXIV, p. 199.
  • [1319] Chartres Saint-Père, II, Codex Diplomaticus Pars Tertia ex Schedis D. Muley, 4, p. 625.
  • [1320] Orderic Vitalis, Vol. II, Book III, p. 117.
  • [1321] Orderic Vitalis, Vol. II, Book III, p. 119.
  • [1322] Obituaires de Sens Tome II, Abbaye de Saint-Père-enVallée, p. 193.
  • [1323] Davis, R. H. C. and Chibnall. M. (eds. and trans.) (1998) The Gesta Guillelmi of William of Poitiers (Oxford), p. 362.
  • [1324] Orderic Vitalis, Vol. IV, Book VII, p. 77.

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Other siblings from the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Northern France:

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#GautierIIValoisB

1. RAOUL de Mantes (-1060).

  • "Walterius comes" donated property "prope nostrum castellum…Medanta" to "Carnotensi monasterio Sancti Petri", for the soul of "coniugis mee Adelidis filiorumque meorum", by charter to [1006], signed by "Walterii comitis, Rodulfi filii eius, Drogonis filii eius…"[21].
  • Comte de Valois et d'Amiens.

3. FOULQUES de Mantes .

  • "Comes Drogo…cum duobus fratribus Fulcone…et Rodulpho necnon uxore cum filiis supra memorati Drogonis" are named in a charter of "Robertus Rex" dated 1030[44]. "Droco comes Ambianensium" donated property to "Sancti Petri Gismoensis" by undated charter, signed by "Droconis comitis, Eotde comitissæ, Falconis fratris comitis, Rodulfi filiii comitis, Gualterii alterius filii…"[45].

4. daughter .

  • The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the mother of "Waleranni comitis [Mellentini]" as daughter of "Gauterus Albus de Albamarla"[46]. Yves de Chartres names "Gualterius Albus" as father of "matrem Gualeranni comitis"[47].
  • m HUGUES Comte de Meulan, son of GALERAN [II] Comte de Meulan & his wife --- (-after 25 Aug 1005).

References:

  • [21] Chartres Saint-Père I, Liber Septimus, Cap. XLIII, p. 170.
  • [44] RHGF X, L, p. 622.
  • [45] Chartres Saint-Père I, Liber Septimus, Cap. XLVI, p. 173.
  • [46] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1062, MGH SS XXIII, p. 793.
  • [47] Yves de Chartres, Epistola 45, Patrologia Latina, Tome 162, col. 57.

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From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on

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The father of Dreux, Walter (Gautier) "Le Blanc" II de Vexin Count of Vexin was born about 944 in Vexin, Normandy, France. He died in 1027. He married Alix (Adele) Senlis in 974.

Alix (Adele) Senlis was born in 944 in Isle de France. She died in 983. She married Walter (Gautier) "Le Blanc" II de Vexin Count of Vexin in 974.

They had the following children:

F i Alix De Vexin was born about 970. M ii Raoul I Crespy was born in 972 in Mellent, Normandy, France. M iii Raoul II Count of Vexin was born in 985. F iv Adele de Bretuil was born about 990 in of Vexin, France. M v Dreux Count Of Vexin was born about 1000. He died in 1035.

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Dreux, comte d'Amiens1,2,3 b. circa 974, d. 1035 Dreux, comte d'Amiens|b. c 974 d. 1035|p339.htm#i8468|Gautier II "the White", comte de Vexin, Valois, et Amiens|b. c 944 d. 1027|p337.htm#i8470|Adèle de Senlis|b. c 944|p64.htm#i8471|Gautier I., comte de Vexin, Valois, et Amiens|b. c 925 d. bt 992 - 998|p330.htm#i8472|Adèle d'Anjou|b. c 924|p64.htm#i8473||||||| Father Gautier II "the White", comte de Vexin, Valois, et Amiens b. circa 944, d. 1027 Mother Adèle de Senlis b. circa 944

Also called Drogo of Mantes.4 Dreux, comte d'Amiens was born circa 974. He was the son of Gautier II "the White", comte de Vexin, Valois, et Amiens and Adèle de Senlis. Dreux, comte d'Amiens married Godgifu, Princess of the English, daughter of Æthelred II "the Unready", King of the English and Emma Regina; Her 1st.4,5,6,7 Count of Amiens and Vexin circa 1030.4 Dreux, comte d'Amiens died in 1035.4

Family

  • Godgifu, Princess of the English b. 1003, d. 1055

Child

  • 1. Earl of Hereford Ralph "the Timid" de Sudeley+ b. c 1030, d. 10576,5,8

Citations

1. [S204] Roderick W. Stuart, RfC, 37-34.

2. [S206] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr. and assisted by David Faris Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis: AR 7th ed., 250-20.

3. [S969] McBride's Genealogy, online http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~pmcbride/genweb.html

4. [S484] Peter Townend, B:P, 105th, pg. l.

5. [S1075] Translated and edited by Michael Swanton, ASC+, pg. 288.

6. [S269] C. W. Previté-Orton sCMH I, pg. 382.

7. [S1278] K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants, pg. 1101.

8. [S215] Revised by others later George Edward Cokayne CP, XI:App. D, pg. 110.

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Drogo of Mantes (996 – 1035) was the count of Valois and the Vexin in the early eleventh century from 1027 to his death. His capital was Mantes, thus his byname. He married Goda, daughter of King Ethelred the Unready of England and Queen Emma of Normandy and the sister of King Edward the Confessor. Their son was Ralph the Timid, earl of Hereford.

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He died at 23 in the Holy Land.

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From the English Wikipedia page on Drogo of Mantes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drogo_of_Mantes

Drogo of Mantes (996 – 1035) was the count of Valois and the Vexin in the early eleventh century from 1027 to his death. His capital was Mantes, thus his byname. He married Goda, daughter of King Ethelred the Unready of England and Queen Emma of Normandy and the sister of King Edward the Confessor.

Their son was

  • -1. Ralph the Timid, earl of Hereford.

Sources

Hinde, Thomas (ed). The Domesday Book: England's History Then and Now. (1995)

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Dreux, comte d'Amiens1,2,3

  • b. circa 974,
  • d. 1035
  • Father Gautier II "the White", comte de Vexin, Valois, et Amiens b. circa 944, d. 1027
  • Mother Adèle de Senlis b. circa 944

Also called Drogo of Mantes.4 Dreux, comte d'Amiens was born circa 974. He was the son of Gautier II "the White", comte de Vexin, Valois, et Amiens and Adèle de Senlis. Dreux, comte d'Amiens married Godgifu, Princess of the English, daughter of Æthelred II "the Unready", King of the English and Emma Regina; Her 1st.4,5,6,7 Count of Amiens and Vexin circa 1030.4 Dreux, comte d'Amiens died in 1035.4

Family

  • Godgifu, Princess of the English b. 1003, d. 1055

Child

  • 1. Earl of Hereford Ralph "the Timid" de Sudeley+ b. c 1030, d. 10576,5,8

Citations

1. [S204] Roderick W. Stuart, RfC, 37-34.

2. [S206] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr. and assisted by David Faris Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis: AR 7th ed., 250-20.

3. [S969] McBride's Genealogy, online http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~pmcbride/genweb.html

4. [S484] Peter Townend, B:P, 105th, pg. l.

5. [S1075] Translated and edited by Michael Swanton, ASC+, pg. 288.

6. [S269] C. W. Previté-Orton sCMH I, pg. 382.

7. [S1278] K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants, pg. 1101.

8. [S215] Revised by others later George Edward Cokayne CP, XI:App. D, pg. 110.

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From http://www.rpi.edu/~holmes/Hobbies/Genealogy/ps09/ps09_489.htm

TRACY ancestor list of Leona Ferrell ORR: Dreux, Count of Amiens, Count of Mantes (Mande), was called Walter de MANTES. He died of poison June 1035 in Bithnia. (Where is that?)

ANCESTRAL ROOTS OF CERTAIN AMERICAN COLONISTS, F. L. Weis, Edition 7: p 201 - Dreux, Count of Vexin, married Godgifu. He died 1035.

IN SEARCH OF THE DARK AGES, Michael Wood: p 210 - Dreux, count of the Vexin (an ally of William the Conqueror) married Goda, the daughter of Ethelred and Emma.

References: [PlantagenetA],[AR7]

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Dreux de Mantes, Comte du Vexin et d'Amiens's Timeline

1000
1000
Mantes (Present Mantes-la-Jolie), Pays de France (Present Region Ile-de-France), France
1019
1019
Age 19
Mantes La Jolie, Yvelines, Ile De France, France
1020
1020
Age 20
Amiens, Somme, Picardie, France
1025
1025
Age 25
1026
1026
Age 26
Mantes (Present Mantes-la-Jolie), Pays de France (Present Region Ile-de-France), France
1030
March 29, 1030
Age 30
Mantes, Pays de France (Present Ile-de-France), France
1030
Age 30
Mantes (Present Mantes-la-Jolie), Pays de France (Present Region Ile-de-France), France
1033
1033
Age 33
Mantes-la-Jolie, Île-de-France, France
1035
August 13, 1035
Age 35
Probably Nicaea (Present Iznik), (Present Bursa il), Opsician Theme, Byzantine Empire (Present Turkey)
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