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Nicknames: "Founder of the Warenne family of Poynton", "Edward Warren"
Birthplace: Poynton, Cheshire, England
Death: Died in Macclesfield, Cheshire East, England
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About Edward de Warren, Knight

1. Sir Edward de Warren, knight, illegitimate son of the last Earl of Warren and Surrey by Maud de Nerford. Died before 1369.

Married

  1. Cicely, daughter and finally heiress of Sir Nicholas de Eton of Poynton and Stockport.

Children include

  1. Sir John de Warren of Poynton and Stockport, knight, born about 1343, died 1387 and buried at Boton in Norfolk. Inquisition post mortem in 1392. Married Margaret de Stafford.
  2. William
  3. Edward

For a Genealogy of the Warren Family of Poynton Chesire: http://www.thornber.net/cheshire/htmlfiles/warren.html

sources

I. EDWARD DE WARENNE, Knt., of Booton, Skeyton, Crostweyth, Fransham, and Rougham, Norfolk, illegitimate son by his father’s mistress, Maud de Nerford, born c.1316–23. He married before 1344 CECILY DE ETON, formerly contracted wife of John de Arderne, the younger (divorced while underage in 1332), and daughter of Nicholas de Eton, Knt., of Ratley, Warwickshire, Woodplumpton, Lancashire, etc., by Joan, daughter and heiress of Robert de Stockport. They had three sons, John, Knt., William, and Edward.

In 1346 he was serving in France in the retinue of his brother, William de Warenne; his father the Earl requested the Chancellor that he be discharged from the demand to find a man-at-arms for his lands in Norfolk. He was a legatee in the 1347 will of his father.

SIR EDWARD DE WARENNE died before 20 Oct. 1349. His widow, Cecily, was living in 1352, and died before 1369.

Edward De Warren, Knight, who was with King Edward III at the siege of Calais, in 1347. He died at the age of 48 in 1369.

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of Poynton and Stockton

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D: Bef. 1369

   [HughAncestors.ftw]
   3rd, but only surviving son of Edward De Warren. 

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Born between 1316 and 1323. Knighted by Joan de Stoke Knight (Joan de Stockport)

Married in 1342.

Died between 1367 and 1368.

He was at the Seige of Calais in 1347.

THE POYNTON WARRENS ALL BEAR THE BLUE & GOLD CHECK OF THE WARRENS ON THEIR HERLADRY. Warren/Eton, Townsend, Port, Stafford, winington, Bulkely, BOOTH

In previous posts in the archives, several people enquired about the

paternity of Sir Edward de Warenne (born ca. 1316/23, d. c. 1367/8),

reputedlly the ancestor of the Warren family of Poynton, Cheshire. I

studied the matter this past week and found conclusive evidence which

resolved the matter.

The available sources show that John de Warenne, 8th Earl of Surrey

(died 1347) had a mistress, Maud de Nerford, by whom he had several

illegitimate children, including sons, John and Thomas. In his will

dated 1347, he specifically names a son, Edward, who people have

claimed was the ancestor of the Warren family of Poynton.

That Edward is indeed the son of John, 8th Earl and Maud de Nerford,

as well as the ancestor of the Poynton family is proved by several

records. In 1323, Blomefield reports that Sir Ralph de Skeyton

conveyed the reversion of the manors of Booton and Skeyton, Norfolk to

Maud de Nerford and her sons, Ralph and Edward. Maud subsequently

received a release from Sir Ralph de Skeyton's sister and heir, Alice

Hauteyn, in 1345. Maud died soon afterwards as she was reported to be

deceased later that year. At this point, the manors of Booton and

Skeyton, Norfolk fell to her son, Edward de Warenne, in accordance

with the settlement of 1323. The same year, Edward's father, the

Earl, wrote to the Chancellor saying that Edward, then a knight, was

ready to go abroad with the king and requested that Edward holding

lands in Norfolk be released for a demand for furnishing a

man-at-arms. Edward continued to hold Booton and Skeyton and they

subsequently were held by his male heirs, the Warren family of

Poynton. Edward was still living in 1365, but presumably died in or

about 1367/8, when his younger sons, William and Edward, released all

their right in the manor of Booton. Edward married Cecily de Eton,

the daughter of Nicholas de Eton, of Rotley, co. Warwick, by Joan,

daughter and heiress of Robert de Stockport, of Poynton, Cheshire.

The Warren arms (with a canton for Nerford) quartered with the arms of

Eton and Stockport were formerly found in the church window at Booton,

Norfolk. On the death of an Eton cousin about 1370, Edward and

Cecily's son, John, became heir to the Eton and Stockport estates,

including Poynton, Cheshire. The Warenne (or Warren) family was

thereafter seated at Poynton.

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Additional source:

Warren.--Memoirs of the Ancient Earls of Warren

and Surrey and their Descendants of the Present

Time, by the Revd. J. Watson. 4to. 2 vols.,

Warrington, 1782. (Six copies only of the one-vol.

first edn. were issued, 4to, in 1776.)

A Bibliographical and Critical Account of the Three

Editions of Watson's "Memoirs of the Ancient

Earls of Warren and Surrey," by J. G. Nichols.

1871.

History and Genealogy of the Warren Family in

Normandy, Great Britain, etc.; by the Revd.

Thomas Warren. 1902. *

Change Date: 7 FEB 2005 at 13:25:33

-------------------- • 1. Sir Edward de Warren, knight, illegitimate son of the last Earl of Warren and Surrey by Maud de Nerford. Died before 1369. • + Cicely, daughter and finally heiress of Sir Nicholas de Eton of Poynton and Stockport. For a Genealogy of the Warren Family of Poynton Chesire: http://www.thornber.net/cheshire/htmlfiles/warren.html

-------------------- Sir Edward De Warren, Knight was born on 1321 in Poynton, Cheshire, England to Sir John De Warren, 8th Earl of Surrey and Maude De Skedgeton. Sir Edward married Cicely De Eton on 1342 in England and had a child: Sir John De Warren, Knight, Lord of Poynton. He passed away on 1368.

Sir Edward De Warren, Knight is my 22nd great grandfather.

Note: SOURCE: Jane MacDaniels Genealogy;

Notes for SIR EDWARD WARENNE, KT: Sir Edward de Warrenn born 1321 Poynton died 1368 married Cicely de Eton 1342 daughter of Sir Nicholas de Eton + Joan de Stockport. In 1332 she divorced her first husband Sir John Arderne

Sir Edward de Warenne was the illegitimate son of John de Warenne, 8th Earl (the last Earl of Warren and Surrey) by his Mistress Maud de Nerford

Knighted by Joan de stockport At the siege of Calais 1347

Notes for CICELY DE ETON: Daughter and finally heiress of Sir Nicholas de Eton of Poynton and Stockport

Note: SOURCE: [http://www.warrenfamilyhistory.com/Docs/Our%20Warrens%20in%20England.htm]

Sir Edward de Warren, Knight, illegitimate son of the last Earl of Warren and Surrey by Maud de Nerford married Cecily, daughter and heiress of Sir Nicholas de Eaton, Knight and wife Joan de Stockport, daughter of Sir Richard Stockport. At the time, she was the divorced wife of Sir John Ardene. This marriage brought Sir Edward a large estate in Cheshire which added to his prominence and influence. He died before 1369.

-------------------- (2) Edward de Warenne, the same probably as the Sir Edward de Warren who, by his marriage with Cicely de Eton, heiress of the barons of Stockport, established himself at Poynton and Stockport, Cheshire, and was the ancestor of the later Warrens of Poynton, barons of Stockport. It was in honour of the last male representative of this house, Sir George Warren (d 1801), that John Watson, rector of Stockport, wrote his elaborate ‘History of the Earls of Warren or Surrey,’ in which he sought to prove the legitimate descent of his benefactor from Reginald de Warren, the son of Earl William (d 1138) [q.v.] of the elder Norman house, and to urge that the earldom ought to be revived in his favour. The early arms of this family suggest that Matilda de Nerford was Edward's mother.

Almost certainly another son of Maud Nerford, as he owned lands in Norfolk which had previously belonged to her. John called him "Edward de Warenne, my son" - plain 'Edward', not 'Sir Edward' - in his 1347 will, and left him twenty pounds. Edward was also mentioned in a letter John wrote to Edward III in April 1346, saying that his sons Edward and William were ready to serve the king abroad. [10] He was presumably born after August 1316 as he was not mentioned in John's land settlements at that time, and before his father "ousted" Maud Nerford from his heart and company in or shortly before 1320. He may have been named in honour of Edward II, or possibly after his father's first cousin Edward Balliol, son of John Balliol, king of Scotland (himself probably named after Edward I). He is named as "Edward de Warenn, knight" in an entry on the Close Roll of 23 February 1349. [11] -------------------- Edward was the founder of the Warennes of Poynton. REF: The Retrospective Review, and Historical and Antiquarian Magazine, Volumes 1-2

By Henry Southern, Sir Nicholas Harris Nicolas

Page 528 Link: http://books.google.com/books?id=n2sJAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA527&dq=watsons+history+of+the+house+of+Warren&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9caGUsWNOcTTiwLwz4GoCg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=watsons%20history%20of%20the%20house%20of%20Warren&f=false

Almost certainly another son of Maud Nerford, as he owned lands in Norfolk which had previously belonged to her. John called him "Edward de Warenne, my son" - plain 'Edward', not 'Sir Edward' - in his 1347 will, and left him twenty pounds. Edward was also mentioned in a letter John wrote to Edward III in April 1346, saying that his sons Edward and William were ready to serve the king abroad. [10] He was presumably born after August 1316 as he was not mentioned in John's land settlements at that time, and before his father "ousted" Maud Nerford from his heart and company in or shortly before 1320. He may have been named in honour of Edward II, or possibly after his father's first cousin Edward Balliol, son of John Balliol, king of Scotland (himself probably named after Edward I). He is named as "Edward de Warenn, knight" in an entry on the Close Roll of 23 February 1349. [11]

Edward de Warenne married Cecily, daughter of Nicholas de Eton, and founded the Warren family of Poynton, Cheshire. His eldest son, named John after his father, was born in 1343 or 1344; he had other sons named Edward and William. Edward de Warenne had died by 1369, and his son John died in 1392. See this thread for more information.

Birth: 1321 - Bromfield, Shropshire, England Death: 1369 - Macclesfield, Cheshire, England

The following notes on the Warren family of Poynton and Stockport are taken from Earwaker's East Cheshire. The family first acquired the manors of Poynton and Stockport when Sir Edward de Warren, a knight, the illegitimate son of the last Earl of Warren and Surrey married Cicely the daughter adn finally the heiress of Sir Nicholas de Eton of Poynton and Stockport. Sir Edward de Warren died before 1369. A simplified version of the family tree, concentrating on the heirs, is shown below.


•1. Sir Edward de Warren, knight, illegitimate son of the last Earl of Warren and Surrey by Maud de Nerford. Died before 1369. •+ Cicely, daughter and finally heiress of Sir Nicholas de Eton of Poynton and Stockport. ◦2. Sir John de Warren of Poynton and Stockport, knight, born about 1343, died 1387 and buried at Boton in Norfolk. Inquisition post mortem in 1392. ◦+ Margaret, daughter and heiress of Sir John de Stafford of Wickham, Norfolk, knight. Marriage settlement dated 1371. (She remarried John Mainwaring of Over Peover about 1387 and died 1418. There is a monument to her at Over Peover.) Sir John de Warren had a son Nicholas and a daughter, Margaret. ◾3. Nicholas de Warren of Poynton and Stockport, born about 1378 died in 1413. ◾+ Agnes daughter of Sir Richard de Wynnington of Wynnington, Cheshire who survived her husband. In addition to their son Laurence they had a daughter Emma who married Hugh Venables of Golborne about 1410, and a second daugther, Elizabeth mentioned in documents of 1417 and 1422. ◾4. Sir Laurence Warren, knight, of Poynton and Stockport, born about 1394, died 1444. ◾+ Margaret, daughter of Richard Bulkeley by Margery Venables his wife. This couple had three sons, John, Randle and Edward but little is known of the latter two. There were six daughters, Margery, Joan, Cicely, Margaret and Elizabeth and one who is known only for marrying Thurstan de Holland but whose Christian name is unrecorded. ◾5. John Warren of Poynton and Stockport, died 1474. ◾+ Isabel daughter of Sir John Stanley of Lathom, marriage article dated March 1422. This couple had in addition to their heir Laurence, John Warren, Richard and Henry, who became Rector of Stockport (1473-1492). There were four daughters, Elizabeth, who married Robert Rhockley of Rockley in Yorkshire, Joan who may have married Sir John Mainwaring of Over Peover (doubted by Earwaker), Margaret who married John Hawarden of Arderne and Jane, who married John Atherton of Atherton in Lancashire. ◾6. Sir Laurence Warren, knight, known to be living in 1459 but died before his father (1474). ◾+ Isabel daughter of Sir Robert Legh of Adlington, knight, married before 1459. She later married Sir George Holford of Holford, knight, in 1475. This couple had two sons, John and William. ◾7. Sir John Warren, knight of Poynton and Stockport, succeeded his grandfather, born about 1461, knighed at Ripon in 1487 and died 9 January 1518. ◾+ 1 st wife, Eleanor, daughter of Sir Thomas Gerard of Bryn, Lancashire. All the children are from this wife. There were six sons, Laurence, Richard, Nicholas, Jerome, Ralph and George. There was a daughter Cicely and possibly one whose Christian name is unknown who married a Legh of Lyme. ◾+ 2 nd wife, Jane daughter of Ralph Arderne of Harden, Esq, widow of Thurstan Holland of Denton, Lancashire and who later married John Davenport of Davenport. ◾8. Laurence Warren of Poynton and Stockport, died 18 September 1530. ◾+ 1 st wife, Margaret, daughter of Sir Piers Legh of Lyme, knight and priest, marriage articles dated 5 July 1494. All Laurence's children are from this union: Edward, Laurence, George, Randle, Richard and nine daughters, Cicely, Mabel, Ellen (married Roger Downes of Shrigley and Worth in 1521) Margaret, Dorothy, Anne, Katherine, Jane and Isabel. Laurence's second wife was Sybil, widow of William Honford, about 1525, no known issue. ◾9. Sir Edward Warren, of Poynton and Stockport, knighted at Leith near Edinburgh 11 May 1544. Died 12 October 1558 and memorial inscription in Prestbury St. Peter's. ◾+Dorothy, daughter of Sir William Booth of Dunham, knight. Marriage settlement of 14 August 1516, buried at Prestbury, 19 March 1584/5. This couple had sons Francis, John, Laurence and Peter. Two further sons, both named Edward and daughters Ellen, Joan, Margaret, Etheldred and Anne all died young and are not mentioned in their mother's will of 1584.10. Francis Warren, eldest son, was disinherited by his father. He married Margaret, daughter of Sir Edward Fitton of Gawsworth but was divorced from her and died without issue. ◾10. John Warren of Poynton and Stockport, succeeded his father. Born about 1535, High Sheriff of Cheshire, 1577 and died 7 December 1587. ◾+ Margaret daughter of Sir Richard Molyneux of Sefton in Lancashire, buried Stockport 21 June 1617. This couple had seven sons: Edward, Laurence, Richard, John (of Poynton who married thereon 24 December 1606 to Dorothy daughter of Roger Downes of Worth), Ralph, William and George. There were six daughters all of whom married: Dorothy, Mary, Eleanor, Frances, Anne (who married Roger Downes of Shrigley on 27 March 1592/3) and Lucy. We follow only Edward. ◾11. Sir Edward Warren of Poynton and Stockport, knight, baptised Prestbury, 9 April 1563, High Sheriff of Cheshire 1598, knighted in Ireland 1599, died 12 November 1609 and buried at Stockport. He married three times. ◾+ 1 st wife, Joan, daugther of Sir Edward Fitton of Gawsworth, at Prestbury on 22 July 1574. She died without issue. ◾+ 2 nd wife, Anne daughter of William Davenport of Bramall, at Prestbury on 16 October 1581, buried at Stockport on 13 July 1597. This couple had five sons: John who died young, a second John then Randle, Humphrey andWilliam. There were also daughters Elizabeth, Margaret, Frances, Catherine, Dorothy and Anne. ◾+ 3 rd wife, Susanna, daughter of Sir William Booth of Dunham Massey, knight, married about 1598 and had with her further sons all said to be living in 1609: George, Edward, Laurence, Richard, Halsall, Edmund, Thomas, Radcliffe, Ralph and a posthumous son of unknown Christian name. We follow only John from the second marriage. ◾12. John Warren of Poynton and Stockport died 20 June 1621. ◾+ Anne daughter of George Ognal of Bilkesley, Warwickshire, settlement dated 11 Feb 1594 (possibly 1597 says Earwaker). They had three sons, Edward who succeeded, John who died unmarried and Laurence who died in infancy. ◾13. Edward Warren of Poynton and Stockport, born 10 May 1605, baptised at Woodplumpton in Lancashire. Buried Stockport 10 September 1687. All the children are from his first wife Margaret. After her death he married Ann the widow Humphrey Booth of Salford about 1653-4 and she was buried at Stockport on 31 May 1662. ◾+ 1 st wife, Margaret, daughter of Henry Arderne of Harden, buried 20 April 1644. This couple had sons, John, Humphrey, Charles, Edward who died an infant in 1633, Thomas, Henry and another Edward. There was one daughter, Ann. ◾14. John Warren of Poynton and Stockport, born 12 August 1630, of Gray's Inn London, Judge at Chester 1681 and died 20 March 1705/6, buried at Stockport. ◾+ Anne only daughter and heiress of Hugh Cooper of Carneforth and Chorley, Lancashire. Marriage articles 9 November 1657. Buried at Stockport 1 September 1715. This couple had sons Edward, John, and Hugh and a daughter Margaret, baptised 11 February 1663/4 at Stockport and married there 19 January 1687/8 to William son and heir of William Davenport of Bramall. ◾15. Edward Warren of Poynton and Stockport born 1659 lived at Dinkley in Lancashire (near Ribchester) and was buried at Blackburn on 28 January 1719/20. He married twice and from his second marriage to Margaret, sister of the Hon. William Spencer of Ashton in Lancashire there were three sons: Spencer, Henry and William and three daughter, Alice, Mary and Eleanor. We follow only the children from the first marriage. ◾+ Dorothy daughter and heiress of John Talbot of Salesbury and Dinkley in Lancashire, marriage settlement dated 15 October 1678, buried Blackburn 5 May 1692. (The Talbots were an ancient family related to the Earls of Shrewsbury and had extensive properties in Lancashire). This couple had three sons: John, the eldest who died unmarried, the eventual heir Edward and Talbot who married but died without issue in December 1734. There were five daughters: Anna Dorothea, born 26 April 1682 married Sir Daniel Byrne of Timogue in Ireland and through her son became ancestor of the later Leicesters of Tabley; Margaret; Catherine; Mary and Elizabeth who died young. ◾16. John Warren of Poynton and Stockport, baptised Blackburn, 15 July 1679, buried there 30 September 1729, unmarried. ◾16. Edward Warren, of Poynton and Stockport succeeded his brother, baptised Blackburn 24 September 1680, High Sheriff of Cheshire 1731, buried Stockport, 10 September 1737. ◾+ Lady Elizabeth Cholmondeley daughter of George Earl of Cholmondeley by speical licence of the Vicar-General's Office on 23 January 1730/1, buried at Stockport, 22 December 1762. This couple had one son, George and two daughters, Henrietta and Elizabeth. ◾17. Sir George Warren of Poynton and Stockport, born about 1733, created Knight of the Bath, 26 May 1761, MP for Lancaster, died 31 August 1801. He married twice; there was no issue from his second marriage to Frances, daughter of Sir Cecil Bisshop, married 4 February1764. ◾+ 1 st wife, Jane, daughter and heiress of Thomas Revel of Fetcham, Surrey, married 26 May 1758. She died 9 December 1761 and was buried at Stockport. They had one daughter. ◾18. Elizabeth Harriet Warren, only daughter and heiress, born 7 April 1759, married at St. George's Hanover Square, London on 26 April 1777. Died 23 February 1826 at Englefield Green in Berkshire. ◾+ Thomas James Bulkeley, 7 th Viscount Bulkeley, born 12 December 1752, by Royal Licence on 20 September 1802. He and his wife took the name Warren before Bulkeley. He died without issue on 3 June 1822.

Viscountess Warren Bulkeley left all her Lancashire estates except Heaton Norris, including the former Talbot lands in Lancashire, to her cousin George Leicester, 2nd Lord de Tabley, on condition he changed his name to Warren. Later the family used the name Leicester as a second Christian name and became known as the Leicester Warrens.

Earwaker relates that as a consequence of the publication of a book 'History of the Ancient Earls of Warren and Surrey' by the Rev. Watson, Sir George Warren, last male heir of the line, believed that Sir John Borlase Warren KB of Stapleford in Nottinghamshire was a descendant of the Warrens of Poynton. Later research showed this to be untrue as Sir John was great grandson of Arthur Warren who was son and heir of another Arthur Warren who was son and heir of Sir Arnold Waring, knighted 4 March 1632/3 and descended from a Warwickshire family of that name. They had, however, used the name Warren for several generations and tried to prove themselves descended from a younger branch of the Warrens of Poynton. Viscountess Bulkeley shared this belief and in her will dated 10 March 1823 arranged to leave large estates in Cheshire and other counties, including the manors of Stockport and Poynton to the use of Frances Maria, only daughter and heir of Admiral the Right Hon. Sir John Borlase Warren of Stapleford, Nottinghamshire, Baronet and G.C.B. She was married to George Charles Venables-Vernon, afterwards 4th Lord Vernon. By Royal Licence of 6 June 1826, she took the name and arms of Warren only. On her death on 17 September 1837, her only child, George John Venables-Vernon, 5th Lord Vernon, on succeeded. By Royal Licence dated 14 October 1837, he took for himself but not for his then born issue, the name and arms of Warren only, in pursuance of the directions in Viscountess Bulkeley's will. Lord Vernon died on 31 May 1866 and was succeeded by his son Augustus Henry Venables-Vernon, 6th Lord Vernon of Sudbury Park in Derbyshire, who then inherited the Poynton and Stockport estates.

The original Poynton Hall was built about 1552 by Sir Edward Warren, but there may have been an earlier building on the site. It was pulled down about 1750 by Sir George Warren and replaced with a large house on the same site with a park. This stood on the right hand side of the road from Macclesfield to Stockport and was engraved for the Rev. Watson's 'History of the Ancient Earls of Warren and Surrey' with the title 'A View of Poynton Lodge in Cheshire'. This house was demolished with the exception of the central towers in 1830. It was not replaced directly but a modern house was built near the site of the old hall and named Poynton Towers. In March, 1823, the library of books and the collection of pictures, plate and furniture at Poynton Hall were sold by the executors of Viscount Bulkeley.

Poynton Chapel dates back to 1312 when it is mentioned in the papers of the Bishop of Lichfield concerning the advowson of the Chapel of Poynton. It stood near Poynton Hall and served the townships of Poynton, Worth and Woodford. There had been a dispute over the chapel but in a case tried at Chester is was shown that Poynton was a chapel dependent on the Parish Church of Prestbury, which was owned by the Abbey of St. Werburgh in Chester. The chapel was mentioned again in 1463/4 in deeds as being dedicated to the Virgin Mary but was omitted from the Sheriff of Chester's returns of 1548, the Cheshire Chantry Roll and the ministers' account relating to the suppression of the chantries. However, in 1599, Randle Holmes, the Chester antiquarian visited the chapel and described some coats of arms depicted in the windows. Little is known of the later history as there are only scattered references before the 18 th century. Bishop Gastrell in his Notitia Cestriensis of about 1720 mentions that the chapel had an income of £11, of which £4 was given by Mr. Warren and £1 by Mr. Downes. There was a chapel yard but it was not used for burials.

Earwaker gives a list of incumbents from 1713 and notes that the chapel repaired and a new chancel was built in 1741. A dispute then arose as to the liability of the various townships for the repairs. In 1787 the old chapel was pulled down and rebuilt on the same site at the expense of Sir George Warren. This was during the time of Thomas Jennings (1773-1795) who was also curate of Norbury (Hazel Grove) and Bosley, south of Macclesfield. This chapel stood until 1858 when it was pulled down to be replaced by a new church half a mile away in the village of Poynton. The foundation stone was laid by the Hon. Augustus Henry Vernon, later Lord Vernon on 7 April 1858 and consecrated on 1 February 1859.

Litler MA (1832-1864) was nominated by the Right Honourable Francis-Maria Warren, Lady Vernon. He had previously been incumbent of Marple and Chadkirk. He was instrumental in building the present church at Poynton and died aged 63 in 1864.

Sources:

East Cheshire Past and Present by J.P. Earwaker, London, 1877 (CRO, Knutsford). This is widely regarded as the best work on East Cheshire of the 19th century. It is useful for family trees of landed families. Now available from the Family History Society of Cheshire on CD ROM

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-------------------- By 1316, John de Warenne, Earl of Surrey & Sussex, Earl Strathearn, had two sons by Maud Nerford, and in August that year persuaded Edward II to accept them as his heirs: he surrendered his lands to Edward and received them back "with remainder to John de Warenna son of Matilda de Neirford and the heirs male of his body, and failing such issue to Thomas de Warenna, son of the said Matilda..." [7] John evidently was the elder of the two and presumably named after their father; Thomas may have been named after Thomas Nerford, one of Maud's brothers.

His sons John and Thomas had both joined the order of the Hospital of St John of Jerusalem by November 1345, and their mother Maud Nerford was dead by then. [9] Neither of them appeared in their father's will. -------------------- John de Warenne, heir

By 1316, John de Warenne had two sons by Maud Nerford, and in August that year persuaded Edward II to accept them as his heirs: he surrendered his lands to Edward and received them back "with remainder to John de Warenna son of Matilda de Neirford and the heirs male of his body, and failing such issue to Thomas de Warenna, son of the said Matilda..." [7] John evidently was the elder of the two and presumably named after their father; Thomas may have been named after Thomas Nerford, one of Maud's brothers.

Confusingly, there are a few references at the beginning of the 1300s to John and William, sons of John, earl of Warenne, both of whom had been, according to letters of the pope, ordained priest while still under age. [8] As our Earl John was only born in 1286, these two must have been the illegitimate sons of his grandfather John de Warenne (1231-1304), the previous earl of Surrey and Warenne, and thus John's uncles. His sons John and Thomas had both joined the order of the Hospital of St John of Jerusalem by November 1345, and their mother Maud Nerford was dead by then. [9] Neither of them appeared in their father's will. -------------------- The following notes on the Warren family of Poynton and Stockport are taken from Earwaker's East Cheshire. The family first acquired the manors of Poynton and Stockport when Sir Edward de Warren, a knight, the illegitimate son of the last Earl of Warren (John) and Surrey married Cicely the daughter and finally the heiress of Sir Nicholas de Eton of Poynton and Stockport. Sir Edward de Warren died before 1369. A simplified version of the family tree, concentrating on the heirs, is shown below.

•1. Sir Edward de Warren, knight, illegitimate son of the last Earl of Warren and Surrey by Maud de Nerford. Died before 1369. •+ Cicely, daughter and finally heiress of Sir Nicholas de Eton of Poynton and Stockport. Source: Earwaker's Chesire

http://www.thornber.net/cheshire/htmlfiles/warren.html Please check ORIGINAL documents like wills . ________________________________________________________________________________

From Genealogical and Personal Memoirs Relating to the Families of the State of Massachusetts, Volume 4 (Google eBook) William Richard Cutter, William Frederick Adams.  Page 2165:

  • (X) Herbert IV, Count of Vermandois and Valois, died 1080, leaving a daughter
  • (XI) Adela de Vermandois, married Hugh the Great, son of Henry I, of France, and Count of Vermandois and Valois. They had a daughter
  • (XII) Elizabeth (Isabel), married William de Warren, second Earl of Surry, and Warrenne and Mortimer in Normandy. He was born about 1040 and died 1130. They had a son
  • (XIII) Reganal de Warrenne, married Adela, daughter of Roger de Mowbray. They had a son
  • (XIV) William de Warren, married Isabel, daughter of Sir William de Hayden, and had a son
  • (XV) Sir John de Warren, who married Alice, daughter of Roger de Townshend, and had a son
  • (XVI) John de Warrenne, married Joan, daughter of Sir Hugh de Post, and had a son
  • (XVII) Sir Edward de Warrenne, married Maud, daughter of Richard de Skeyton, and had a son
  • (XVIII) Sir Edward de Warren, married Cicely, daughter of Sir Nicholas de Eaton, and had a son
  • (XIX) Sir John de Warren, married Agnes, daughter of Sir Richard Wynnington, and had a son
  • (XX) Sir Laurence de Warren, married Margery, daughter of Hugh Bulkley Esquire, and had a son
  • (XXI) John de Warren, married Isabel, daughter of Sir John Stanley, and had a son
  • (XXII) Sir Lawrence de Warren, married Isabel, daughter of Sir Robert Leigh, in 1458, and had a son
  • (XXIII) William de Warren, by wife Anne had a son
  •  (XXIV) John de Warren, by wife Elizabeth had a son
  • (XXV) John Warren of Headbury, Devonshire, England, who had a son 
  • (XXVI) Christopher Warren, who had a son 
  • (XXVII) William Warren, married Anne Mable, and had a son 
  • (XXVIII) Christopher Warren, married Alice Webb, and had 
  • (XXIX) John Warren, married in England. Margaret, and came to New England in 1630, in the same fleet with Sir Richard Saltonstall. and settled at Watertown, Massachusetts.  
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Sir Edward de Warren, of Poynton's Timeline

1320
1320
Poynton, Cheshire, England
1338
1338
Age 18
Poynton,Cheshire,England
1343
1343
Age 23
Chesire, UK
1343
Age 23
Poynton, Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
1369
1369
Age 49
Macclesfield, Cheshire East, England
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Poynton, Cheshire East, England, United Kingdom
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Poynton, Cheshire East, England, United Kingdom
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Prestbury, Cheshire East, England, United Kingdom