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Nicknames: "Botiller/le Botelir/Botiler"
Birthplace: Wemme, England
Death: Died in London, Middlesex, , England
Occupation: 4th Baroness Boteler of Wem
Managed by: Sarah Waterman (Wilson)
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About Elizabeth le Boteler, Baroness Boteler of Wemme

  • 'Elizabeth le Botiller1,2,3
  • 'F, b. circa 1345, d. 19 June 1411
  • Father Sir William le Botiller, 3rd Lord le Botiller of Wem and Oversley2,3 b. c 1331, d. 14 Aug 1369
  • Mother Elizabeth de Handesacre2,3 d. a May 1361
  • Elizabeth le Botiller was born circa 1345 at of Wemme, Whixall, Hinstock, & Loppington, Shropshire, England; Age 24 in 1369.2,3 She and Sir Robert de Ferrers, 1st Baron Ferrers of Wemme obtained a marriage license on 27 September 1369 at Acton Burnell, Shropshire, England; They had 1 son, Robert.2,4,3 Elizabeth le Botiller married Sir John Say before 24 November 1381.2,3 Elizabeth le Botiller married Sir Thomas Molington before 25 October 1398; Date of Papal indult.5,2,3 Elizabeth le Botiller died on 19 June 1411; Requested to be buried in the Church of the Crutched Friars next to the Tower of London.2,3
  • 'Family 1 Sir Robert de Ferrers, 1st Baron Ferrers of Wemme b. c 1350, d. 31 Dec 1380
  • Child
    • ◦Sir Robert de Ferrers, 2nd Lord Ferrers of Wem+2,3 b. c 1372, d. b 29 Nov 1396
  • 'Family 2 Sir John Say d. bt 5 Jul 1395 - 25 Oct 1398
  • 'Family 3 Sir Thomas Molington d. 7 May 1408
  • Citations
  • 1.[S3676] Unknown author, The Complete Peerage, by Cokayne, Vol. II, p. 232, 233; Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 4th Ed., by F. L. Weis, p. 148; Wallop Family, p. 117.
  • 2.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 134.
  • 3.[S15] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, p. 877-878.
  • 4.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 308.
  • 5.[S11568] The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, by George Edward Cokayne, Vol. V, p. 334, chart.
  • http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p432.htm#i12957
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  • 'Plantagenet ancestry: a study in colonial and medieval families By Douglas Richardson, Kimball G. Everingham
  • http://books.google.com/books?id=p_yzpuWi4sgC&pg=PA134&lpg=PA134&dq=William+Le+Botiler+1331+1369&source=bl&ots=RRsL8LY785&sig=4pR8p011d4kCaF0_XJ3gFYlyQDc&hl=en&ei=DgHDTYPrBrDWiALoq9SZAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBzge#v=onepage&q&f=false
  • Pg. 134
  • 9. MARGARET DE ARUNDEL, married (as his 1st wife) WILLIAM LE BOTELER, Knt., de jure 2nd Lord Boteler of Wem, of Wem, Whixall, and Hinstock, Shropshire, and Almington and Tyrley, Staffordshire, Knight of the Shire for Shropshire, son and heir of William le Boteler, 1st Lord Boteler of Wem [see BLACKMER 7], by his 1st wife Beatrice. He was born 8 Sept. 1298. They had one son, William, Knt. [3rd Lord Boteler of Wem]. He was never summoned to Parliament. He served in Flanders in 1340 in the retinue of Reginald de Cobham. In 1344 he obtained special immunity from the king from bearing arms "in respect of his impotency." He married (2nd) about 1354 JOAN DE SUDELEY, daughter of John de Sudeley, 2nd Lord Sudeley, of Sudeley, Gloucestershire, by Eleanor, presumably daughter of Robert de Scales, 2nd Lord Scales. They had one son, Thomas, Knt. [de jure 4th Lord Sudeley] [see BELKNAP 10]. SIR WILLIAM LE BOTELER, 2nd Lord Boteler of Wem, died 22 Dec. 1361. His wife, Joan, died before 11 August 1367.
    • 10. WILLIAM LE BOTELER (or BOTILLER), Knt., 3rd Lord Boteler of Wem, of Wem, Whixall, and Hinstock, and Loppington, Shropshire, Tyrley, Staffordshire, and Oversley, Warwicksire, 3rd Lord le Boteler, born about 1331 (aged 30 in 1361). he married before 5 July 1343 ELIZABETH DE HANDESACRE, presumably daughter of William de Handesacre, Knt., of Handesacre (in Armitage), Staffordshire, and Charlton, Warcestershire, by his wife, Eleanor. They had one daughter, Elizabeth. His wife Elizabeth, was living in May 1361. He was summoned to Parliament 23 Feb. 1367/8 and 6 April 1369. SIR WILLIAM LE BOTELER, 3rd Lord Boteler of Wem, died 14 August 1369.
    • ' 11. ELIZABETH LE BOTELER, daughter and heiress, born about 1345 (aged 24 in 1369). She married (1st) by license dated 27 Sept. 1369 at Acton Burnell, Shropshire ROBERT DE FERRERS, Knt., of Willisham, Suffolk, and in right of his wife, of Wem, Hinstock, and Loppington, Shropshire, Tyrley, Staffordshire, and Oversley, Warwickshire, younger son of Robert de Ferrers, Knt., of Chartley, Staffordshire (descendant of Geoffrey Plantagenet), by his 2nd wife, Joan de la Mote [see FERRERS 9 for his ancestry]. He was born about 1350 (aged 25 in 1375). They had one son, Robert, Knt. [2nd Lord Ferrers of Wem]. He was summoned to Parliament from 28 Dec. 1375 to 20 Oct. 1379, by writs directed Roberto de Ferrers de Wemme. SIR ROBERT DE FERRERS, 1st Lord Ferrers of Wem, died 24 or 31 Dec. 1380. His widow, Elizabeth, married (2nd) before 24 Nov. 1381 JOHN SAY, Knt. He was living 5 July 1395. She married (3rd) before 25 Oct. 1398 (date of papal indult) THOMAS MOLINGTON, Knt., of London and, in right of his wife, of Wem, Shropshire. He died testate 7 May 1408, and was buried in the Chapel of St. Mary in the College of the Crutched Friars, London. Elizabeth died testate 19 June 1411, to be buried in the Church of the Crutched Friars next the Tower of London.
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  • http://books.google.com/books?id=XLqEWwa7fT8C&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=William+Le+Botiler+1331+1369&source=bl&ots=pHr9PxxSsL&sig=_SDd7oaN-g5UOkVqpC91qQiC1dc&hl=en&ei=4_3CTazbKaTTiAKTktmKAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBsQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=William%20Le%20Botiler%201331%201369&f=false
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  • 32. MARGARET FITZ ALAN, m. as 1st wife, William le Botiller (or Botiler), of Wem and Oversley, b. 8 Sep. 1296, d. Dec. 1361, son of William le Botiller of Oversely, co. Warwick, and his (1) wife Beatrice. He m. (2) ca. 1354, JOAN DE SUDELEY (222-35). (See Gen. Mag. 13:173-174; CP II 230-233; Wm.Salt Soc. n.s. vol. (1945-6), pp. 40-43).
    • 33. WILLIAM LE BOTILLER (or Botiler), Lord le Botiller of Wem and Oversely, b. Bef. 1331, d. 14 Aug. 1369, M.P. 1368-1369; m. bef. July 1343, Elizabeth, perh. Holand of Upholand. (CP II 230-235, V 320 chart, XII (1) 417-418; Wm.Salt Soc. n.s. vol. (1945-6), pp. 42-43). Note: Elizabeth was not dau. of Robert, Lord Holand, since his daughter, Elizabeth, married by 1340 SIR HENRY FITZ ROGER (261-35). See refs. cited under that line & generation.
      • ' 34. ELIZABETH LE BOTILLER (or Botiler), of Wem and Oversley, b. bef. 1345, d. 19 June 1411, will 6 Jan. 1410/11, pro. June 1411: m. ca. 27 Sep. 1369, SIR ROBERT DE FERRERS (62-33). (CP II 230-235, V 320 chart; Wm.Salt Soc., cit.).
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  • 'Full text of "Antiquities of Shropshire"
  • http://www.archive.org/stream/antiquitiesshro08eytogoog/antiquitiesshro08eytogoog_djvu.txt
  • 'Antiquities of Shropshire
  • http://www.archive.org/details/antiquitiesshro08eytogoog
  • http://www.archive.org/stream/antiquitiesshro08eytogoog#page/n34/mode/1up
  • http://www.archive.org/stream/antiquitiesshro08eytogoog#page/n35/mode/1up
  • In June 1343, William le Botiler proposes to enfeoff two Trustees in the Manors of Hinstock and Tyrley, and in one-third of Wem, and that the reversion of two-thirds of Wem, then held in dower by Ela widow of William le Botiler deceased, should devolve on the same Trustees. The Trustees, being seized, were to settle the premises on the said William, their Feoffor, and the heirs of his body ; — with remainder to his right heirs. An Inquest held on this subject found the proposal to be non-injurious to the Crown.5 The Inquest taken in January 1362, on
  • http://www.archive.org/stream/antiquitiesshro08eytogoog#page/n36/mode/1up
  • William le Botiler's deaths says accordingly that Hinstock, which he had held in capite for half a kuight's fee, had been entailed on the heirs of his body by certain Trustees and by Royal license. William, son and heir of the deceased, was now 30 years of age.1
  • With this William, who died on August 14, 1369, the elder male line of Botiler of Wem expired. Wem and Hinstock were entailed on the heirs of his body, and so passed to his only daughter 'Elizabeth, who at the time of his death was aged 24 years and upwards.2 She conveyed the Barony of Wem to her husband, Robert de Ferrers'. Their eldest son, Robert de Ferrers, died in '1410, his mother Elizabeth still living'. He left two daughters and coheirs, Elizabeth born about 1393, and Mary, born about 1394. On the 'death of their Grandmother (June 19, 1411)', Elizabeth was wife of John son of Ralph Baron Greystock, and Mary was wife of Ralph son of Ralph Nevill, Earl of Westmoreland.3 The Barony of Wem is now in abeyance between the descendants of these two ladies.4
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Vital Statistics

  • Daughter of William le Boteler, 3rd Baron of Wemme and Elizabeth de Holand
  • She was the sole heir of Wemme and became Baroness Boteler of Wemme
  • There is some evidence for a sister Alice (see her profile)
  • Married according to her own will: "Elizabeth Ferrers, Baroness of Wemme', June 6, 1410. My body to be buried in the Church of the Holy Cross*, near the Tower of London. To the building of a cloister there vi /. I will that all my silver vessels, excepting what I have bequeathed, be disposed of for the health of my soul, and the soul of Robert Ferrers, my first husband, and the soul of Sir Thomas Molynton, my second husband."
  • Some sources say she married (2) John de Say
  • One child by Robert Ferrers -
  1. Sir Robert de Ferrers, 3rd Lord Ferrers (of Wem)+4 b. c 1373, d. b 29 Nov 1396

Notes and Sources

Elizabeth le Botiler, Baroness le Botiller was born in 1345 at Oversley, Warwickshire, England.2

She was the daughter of William le Botiler, 3rd Lord le Botiller and Elizabeth de Holand.1

She and Robert Ferrers, 2nd Lord Ferrers (of Wem) obtained a marriage license on 27 September 1369.1,3 She married, secondly, Sir John de Say in 1381/82.1 She married, thirdly, Sir Thomas Molinton (Molynton) before 1403.4 She died in June 1411.1 Her will (dated 6 June 1410) was probated on 16 July 1411, directing her burial at he Brothers of the Holy Cross, London.4 She mentions only Robert Ferrers and Thomas Molynton in her will. She had one son with Robert Ferrars and no children with her second and third husbands.

    Elizabeth le Botiler, Baroness le Botiller succeeded to the title of 4th Baroness le Botiller [E., 1308] on 14 August 1369, suo jure.1 From 27 September 1369, her married name became de Ferrers.1 From 1381/82, her married name became Say.1 From before 1408, her married name became Molinton.1
    On her death, any peerage she held fell into abeyanvce between her two grand-daughters.4

Child of Elizabeth le Botiler, Baroness le Botiller and Robert Ferrers, 2nd Lord Ferrers (of Wem)

   * Sir Robert de Ferrers, 3rd Lord Ferrers (of Wem)+4 b. c 1373, d. b 29 Nov 1396

Citations

  1. [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume II, page 232. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
  2. [S125] Richard Glanville-Brown, online <e-mail address>, Richard Glanville-Brown (RR 2, Milton, Ontario, Canada), downloaded 17 August 2005.
  3. [S2] Peter W. Hammond, editor, The Complete Peerage or a History of the House of Lords and All its Members From the Earliest Times, Volume XIV: Addenda & Corrigenda (Stroud, Gloucestershire, U.K.: Sutton Publishing, 1998), page 101. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage, Volume XIV.
  4. [S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume II, page 233.

http://www.thepeerage.com/p13769.htm#i137681

Elizabeth le Botiler, Baroness le Botiller1

F, #137683, b. 1345, d. June 1411

Last Edited=12 May 2007

    Elizabeth le Botiler, Baroness le Botiller was born in 1345 at Oversley, Warwickshire, England.2 She was the daughter of William le Botiler, 3rd Lord le Botiller and Elizabeth de Holand.1 She and Robert Ferrers, 2nd Lord Ferrers (of Wem) obtained a marriage license on 27 September 1369.1,3 She married, secondly, Sir John Say in 1381/82.1 She married, thirdly, Sir Thomas Molinton before 1403.4 She died in June 1411.1 Her will (dated 6 June 1410) was probated on 16 July 1411, directing her burial at he Brothers of the Holy Cross, London.4
    Elizabeth le Botiler, Baroness le Botiller succeeded to the title of 4th Baroness le Botiller [E., 1308] on 14 August 1369, suo jure.1 From 27 September 1369, her married name became de Ferrers.1 From 1381/82, her married name became Say.1 From before 1408, her married name became Molinton.1 
    On her death, any peerage she held fell into abeyanvce between her two grand-daughters.4

Child of Elizabeth le Botiler, Baroness le Botiller and Robert Ferrers, 2nd Lord Ferrers (of Wem)

Sir Robert de Ferrers, 3rd Lord Ferrers (of Wem)+ b. c 1373, d. b 29 Nov 13964

Citations

[S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume II, page 232. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.

[S125] Richard Glanville-Brown, online <e-mail address>, Richard Glanville-Brown (RR 2, Milton, Ontario, Canada), downloaded 17 August 2005.

[S2] Peter W. Hammond, editor, The Complete Peerage or a History of the House of Lords and All its Members From the Earliest Times, Volume XIV: Addenda & Corrigenda (Stroud, Gloucestershire, U.K.: Sutton Publishing, 1998), page 101. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage, Volume XIV.

[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume II, page 233.

NOTES:

There are three distinct families by the name Boteler, (1) those which settled early in Ireland, the first of which was Theobald le Boteler, some of whose descendants took the anglicized name Butler; (2) the family of Boteler of Warrington in Lancashire; and (3) the family of Botiler, Boteler, Botiller of Wem in Shropshire, and of Oversley in Warwickshire. This particular family, of Wem and Oversley, appear to have been recorded most often as Botiler, and as such are shown with this spelling.

------- FERRERS (of Wemme).

Baron by Writ.

I. 1375. 1.# Rorert Ferrers, a younger son of Robert 2nd Baron Ferrers of Chartley, having m. Elizabeth, dau. and sole heir of William III. Baron Boteler of Wemme, was summ. to Parl. as " Robert Ferrers de Wemme, Chev." from 28 Dec. 49 Edw. III. 1375, to 20 Oct. 3 Rich. II. 1379; ob. 1380. Robert Ferrers, his s. and h., died 1410, s. P. M., vita matris, without having been summ. to Parl., leaving Elizabeth, wife of John, son of Ralph Lord Greystock, a"t. 18 years, and Mary, wife of Ralph Nevill, younger son of Ralph Earl of Westmoreland, «t. 17 years, his daughters and coheirs. If this Barony be considered as a Barony created by the writ 28 Dec. 1375, it is in Abeyance between the descendants of these two daughters and coheirs; and such would also appear to be the case if the writ of 1375 were only an extension of the Barony of Boteler of Wemme, since Robert Ferrers, the father of the two daughters and coheirs, was the representative of his mother, whether she had or had not issue by her 2nd and 3rd husbands.— Vide Boteler of Wemme. The Barony is now in Abeyance between the heirs of Greystock and the heirs of Edward Lord de Clifford, who died 1832. Vide Clifford.

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Will of Elizabeth

ELIZABETH LADY FERRERS, OF WEMME.

Elizabeth Ferrers, Baroness of Wemme', June 6, 1410. My body to be buried in the Church of the Holy Cross*, near the Tower of London. To the building of a cloister there vi /. I will that all my silver vessels, excepting what I have bequeathed, be disposed of for the health of my soul, and the soul of Robert Ferrers, my first husband, and the soul of Sir Thomas Molynton, my second husband3. To Joan Grauncester, my daughter, a cup of gold, which formerly belonged to her brother; to Elizabeth Molynton, a cup of gold; to Thomas Molynton; Maud Cavendish; Elizabeth Lisle, "filise mese spiritual!.«" And I appoint Joan Graunceston, my daughter, my executrix. Proved Kith June, 1411.

  • Printed at length in " Royal Wills," p. 211.

'Daughter and sole heir of William Boteler, of Wemme; she married, first, Robert Baron Ferrers, of Wemme; and secondly, Sir Thomas Molynton, Knight, and died 12 Henry IV. Dugdale, vol. i. p. 269. But in his History of Warwickshire, he says that this Elizabeth married, secondly, John de Say, and thirdly, Thomas de Molynton. Vide the will of this Sir Thomas Molynton, in a preceding page, and some pertinent remarks on the contradictory statements in Dugdale, in Banks' Extinct Peerage, under Ferrers of Wemme, and Butler of Wemme, vol. ii. pp. 79 and 196.

'Crouched Friars in Dugdale's Abstract.

3 Omitted in the MS. abstract of this will.

4 Query, god-daughter?

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Elizabeth le Boteler, Baroness Boteler of Wemme's Timeline

1345
1345
England
1369
September 27, 1369
Age 24
Abt. 1369
1373
1373
Age 28
Willisham, Suffolk, England
1381
1381
Age 36
England
1403
1403
Age 58
England
1411
June 19, 1411
Age 66
London, Middlesex, , England
1933
June 17, 1933
Age 66
October 20, 1933
Age 66
1995
January 14, 1995
Age 66
March 28, 1995
Age 66