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Caspar Gaspard Gaspard Mabille, Sgt

Birthdate:
Birthplace: Noord, Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands
Death: Died in Noord, Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands
Immediate Family:

Son of Pierre Gaspard de Mailly /de Mabille and Antoinette Renee De Dumond
Husband of Sarrentje du Bois
Father of Pieter Casparszen Mebie; Claes Jansen de Ruyter Mabille; Pieter Caparszen Mabie; Annetje Perrine Mabille; Teunnius Mabille and 1 other
Brother of Louis Claude De MAILLY and Cecille Antoinette De Mailly

Occupation: Sgt. Dutch West India Trading Co.
Managed by: jon ofstedal
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About Caspar Gaspard Gaspard Mabille, Sgt

DISPUTE OF THIS PEDIGREE: http://www.vanordenfamily.org/demailly.pdf

Pierre Mabille, Seigneur de Nevi has been regarded an the founder of the Mabie-Mebie familly that came to America. According to tradition he had estates in Neuvy which seems to be the present village of Neuvy-en-Mauges, Anjou. Pierre apparently fled during the St. Bartholomew's Massacre of 24 Aug 1572 to Holland. He is supposed to have been of high rank in the army of the Admiral, Gaspard de Coligny.

The validity and correctness of this pedigree is a topic of some debate. Nevertheless, it is presented here for anyone who would pursue it. It was news to me that Pierre de Mailly might be the same person as Pierre Mabille de Nevy. Note that seigneur is not a name, but a title of vague specificity. Dukes, counts, barons, marquises, etc. are all “seigneurs” which is merely the French word for “lord.” Note too that Neuvy-sur-Loire is a municpality very much alive in modern France. The answer to our dilemma may simply be that there were two Pierres that immigrated to Naarden or that both are the same as has been assumed by the genealogist that made this connection. Certainly, if he or she was wrong, his or her work has been at the root a great deal of misguided pedigrees.

Antionette D'DUMOND was born about 1555 in Neuvy-sur-Loire, Nievre, France. From the Maybee Society files. The data is not verified and is possibly incorrect.

[Note: it is unclear why Antoinette's family name would be D'DUMOND since the du part is already de + le. D'Dumond would read, “of of the Mount.” It would be interesting to peruse the original documents from which the names d'Mailly and d'Dumond were taken, as there is some French spelling error here. There can be no such thing as d'Dumond.]

Also, Antoinette's father is listed here as a duke, yet his parentage is listed as unknown. He cannot be a hereditary duke if his parents are unknown.

It is unlikely that if Mabille was actually the grandson of a lord, and thus a descendant of the important royal houses of Europe and a close cousin of the Bourbon kings of France, that he would marry someone with "unknown parentage with a concocted title of duke" during the 16th century. It is also unlikely that the grandson of a lord would marry the daughter of a duke. Daughters of Dukes marry Kings, not soldiers.

Also, note that Gaspard de Mabille is the only child who uses the name with a "B". Mabille versus Mailley. Usually when the spelling changes, the consonants don't, such as: Smyth versus Smith or Smithe. They still sound the same. Maybee, Mabie and Mabille all sound the same. Mailly doesn't. Mailley would sound as MayLee and Mabille would sound as MayBee.

Also, see that the only descendants give as grandchildren were from the Mabille. Yet, the Mailly son was the actual heir. This pedigree was not given by the Mailly family.

CORRECT PATH? I think the path that might yield the correct pedigree is that this Mabille line was possibly a branch of the Mabie family that moved from Scotland to Holland during the upheaval of the Protestant Reformation when many English and Scots moved to Holland during that turbulent era. There were also a great many economic opportunities in Holland at that time, with the Dutch colonies; and the Dutch were ahead of the rest of Europe in adopting new financial methods that presaged capitalism. The Scottish were amongst the very first to learn these financial methods from the Dutch, and the torch of financial methods was passed to the Scottish, to allow Glasgow to become the colonial trading center of the world shortly thereafter. There was considerable exchange between the Scottish, who learned from the Dutch entrepreneurs, and the Scottish had a close and deep association with the French nobility, who were often one and the same.

The young men who most had a taste for being an entrepreneur headed for America during this era in history.

The first Mabille originated in France prior to the Norman invasion.The Mabie family of Scotland came from France after the Norman invasion. The name was re-spelt as Mabie in Scotland.

This Scottish Mabie line may have then travelled to Holland from Scotland to pursue the exciting opportunities at that time.

A sergeant could have come from a noble line (officers were mostly drawn from noble lineage), but would not be high ranking.

-------------------- Source:

The VAN NORDEN FAMILY

Three Hundred Years In America 1 6 2 3 - 1 9 2 3

by Theodore Langdon Van Norden

published 1923

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Sargaent Caspar Gaspard Mabille's Timeline

1575
August 1575
Noord, Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands
1600
September 1, 1600
Age 25
Naarden, Naarden, North Holland, The Netherlands
1600
Age 24
HOLLAND
1603
1603
Age 27
1611
1611
Age 35
Naarden, North Holland, Netherlands
1656
1656
Age 80
Noord, Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands
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