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Gerald de Gourni (de Gournay), Baron Of Gournay

Also Known As: "Gerald"
Birthplace: Gournay-En-Bray, Normandy, France
Death: Died in Caistor Next Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Immediate Family:

Son of Hugues III de Gournay, Seigneur de Gournay et Brai and Basilia Flaitel Flaitel
Husband of NN First wife of Gerald de Gournay and Editha 'Edith' de Warenne
Father of Aimée (Amicie) de Gournay; Gundred de Gournay and Hugues IV Baron de Gournay
Brother of Guillaume de Gournay; Robert DeMontfichet and Hawise de Gournay

Occupation: Sieur de Gournay-en-Bray, de Yarmouth
Managed by: Gene
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About Gerald de Gourni, Baron Of Gournay

Note from Pam Wilson (11/24/2015): Following the logic of Charles Cawley at FMG, I'm adding a first wife, name unknown, speculated to have been the mother of daughter Amicie since Edith would have been too young. See discussion below.

GERARD de Gournay (-Palestine after 1104). "Domino meo Hugone Gurnacensi et filio eius Girardo et uxore eius Basilia" consented to the donation by "Radulfus cognomine Havoth" to Jumièges by charter dated to [1040][1685], although presumably the document is misdated. "Domino meo Hugone Gurnaiensi et filio eius Girardo et uxore eius Basilia" consented to a donation to Jumièges abbey by "Radulphus cognomina Havoth cum uxore mea" on his entering the abbey as a monk, by undated charter[1686]. "…William de Gornai…Girard de Gornai…" witnessed the charter dated 1082 under which William I King of England donated property to the abbey of la Trinité de Caen[1687]. “Odo comes et Stephanus filius eius”[1688]. Orderic Vitalis records that “primus Normannorum Stephanus de Albamarla filius Odonis Campaniæ comitis” fortified “castellum suum super Aucium flumen” at the expense of William II King of England and placed there a garrison against “ducem” [Robert III Duke of Normandy] and that “Gornacensis Girardus” followed his example and delivered “Gornacum et Firmitatem et Goisleni Fontem” [Gournay, La Ferté-en-Brai, Gaillefontaine] to the king, dated to [1089/90][1689]. Orderic Vitalis records that “comes Ebroicensis” requested Robert [III] Duke of Normandy to return “Bathventum et Nogionem, Vaceium et Craventionem, Scoceium [Bavent, near Troarn, Noyon-sur-Andelle, Gacé, Gravençon, Ecouché], aliosque fundos Radulfi patrui mei...Caput Asini” to him and grant “Pontem Sancti Petri” [Pont Saint-Pierre] to “ Guillelmo Bretoliensi”, which the duke agreed to, except “Scoceium” which was held by “Girardus de Gornaco...qui de eadem parentela prodierat, filius...Basiliæ Girardi Fleitelli filiæ”, dated to [1089][1690]. He and his wife participated in the First Crusade but he died before the capture of Jerusalem[1691]. Albert of Aix names "…Gerardus de Gorna…" among those who took part in the siege of Nikaia, dated to mid-1097 from the context[1692]. Baudry names "Girardus de Gornaio" among those on the First Crusade in 1097[1693]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Giraldus” left for Jerusalem but died while away[1694]. Henry II King of England confirmed the possessions of the abbey of Bec, including donations by "Hugonis de Gornaco et Girardi filii…Girardi de Gornaio et Basilie matris sue", by charter dated to [1181/89][1695].

[m firstly ---. As discussed below, one possibility for the parentage of Amicie, wife of Richard Talbot, is that she was the daughter of Gérard de Gournay by an earlier otherwise unrecorded marriage.]

m [secondly] ([1084/92]) as her first husband, EDIVE [Edith] de Warenne, daughter of WILLIAM [I] de Warenne Earl of Surrey & his first wife Gundred --- ([1072/80]-after 1155). Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Giraldus” left for Jerusalem “cum uxore sua Edithua sorore Willelmi comitis de Warenna”, who married secondly “Drogoni de Monceio”, by whom she had “unum filium...Drogonem”[1696]. Her birth date is indicated bearing in mind that she had children by both her marriages. The date of her first marriage is estimated assuming that she was about 12 years old at the time. She married secondly Dreux [I] Seigneur de Moncy. Her second marriage is confirmed by Orderic Vitalis who names "Hugo filius Girardi de Gornaco" and "Drogo, vitricus eius"[1697].

Gérard & his [first/second] wife had [one child]:

i) [AMICIE de Gournay (before [1085]-[after 1100]). Her marriage and family connection are indicated by Orderic Vitalis who records that "Hugo filius Girardi de Gornaco" rebelled against King Henry I after the marriage of his sister Gundred in Jun [1118], and captured “municipium...Plessicii” which he granted to "nepoti eius Hugoni Talabot"[1698]. The passage indicates that Hugh Talbot was at least a young adult at the time, so not born later than [1100], which would place his mother´s birth no later than [1085]. There are therefore at least three possibilities for her parentage. Firstly, if she was the child of Gérard de Gournay by his known wife Edive de Warenne, Edive would have been born in the early part of her estimated birth date range shown above and Amicie born soon after the marriage. Secondly, given that that chronology is tight, Amicie could have been the daughter of Gérard by an earlier otherwise unrecorded marriage. Thirdly, the word “nepos” in Orderic could indicate a more distant family relationship than nephew, maybe first cousin, in which case Amicie could have been the daughter of Hugues [III] de Gournay, although the more remote the relationship the less likely the appointment of Richard Talbot as custodian of the castle by Hugues [IV] de Gournay. On balance, the most likely case appears to be the second. Her name is indicated by two charters of King Henry II: Henry II King of England confirmed the possessions of the abbey of Valmont, including donations by "…Richardi Tallebot et Amicie uxoris eius et Hugonis et Willelmi filiorum suorum…", by charter dated to [1181/83][1699]. Henry II King of England confirmed the possessions of the priory of Sainte-Foi de Longueville, including donations by "Ricardi Thalebot et Avitie uxoris sue et Hugonis filii sui", by charter dated to [Mar/Jun] 1189[1700]. m RICHARD Talbot, son of ---.]

Gérard & his [second] wife had two children:

ii) HUGUES [IV] de Gournay ([1098/1100]-1180). Orderic Vitalis names "Hugo filius Girardi de Gornaco" and "Drogo vitricus eius"[1701]. - see below.

iii) GUNDRED de Gournay ([1100/1105]-after 1155). Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Nigello de Albinneio” married “Gundredam filiam Giraldi de Gornaco” by whom he had “filium...Rogerium de Moubraio”[1702]. Orderic Vitalis records the marriage in Jun [1118] of "Hugo filius Girardi de Gornaco...sorore sua...Gundrea...consilio regis" to “Nigello de Albinneio”[1703]. In another passage she is named as second wife of Nigel d'Aubigny[1704]. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Gunderede uxori Nig de Albin" in Leicestershire[1705]. ”Gundreda, uxor Nigelli de Albini” donated property to the Hospital of St Leonard, York by undated charter which names “Rogero de Molbray filio suo”[1706]. An undated charter notes the donation of ”Hospitale Sancti Michaelis Archangeli” to Whitby Monastery, at the request of “Dominam Gundredam uxorem Nigelli de Albini” for the soul of “Rogero de Moubray filio eorum”[1707]. m (Jun [1118]) as his second wife, NELE de Albini, son of ROGER de Albini & his wife Amice --- (-21 or 26 Nov 1129).


   * Birth: 1070, Normandy, France
   * Partnership with: Edith DE WARENNE
         o Child: Gundred DE GOURNAY Birth: 1090, Northumberland, England

Descendants of Gerard DE GOURNAY


     2 Gundred DE GOURNAY
       =Nigel DE AUBIGNY
           3 Roger DE MONTBRAY
             =Alice DE GAUNT
           3 Henry DE AUBIGNY
             =Cecily DE CHAWORTH

10 Sir Gerald de GOURNAY m Edith de WARRENNE

Edith was the daughter of William, Earl of WARENNE and Gundred of England and Grandaughter of King William, Duke of Normandy Gerald was a staunch supporter of William Rufus against his brother Robert Curthose, using his fortresses at Gournay, La Ferte, Gaillefontaine and Eacouche, which latter he had come into as the inheritance of his mother, Basilia. After the problem of the two brothers was settled, Gerard went on the first crusade in 1096, when he was killed in battle. After his death Editha remarried to Dreux de MONCEAUX

See the Sauveur branch here

Chilkdren of Gerald and Edith
  • 12......Hugh IV b abt 1076 d 1180 (This death record is in my view doubtful, but he was said to be of great age)
  • 13......Gunnora (Gundred) b abt 1078 m Sir Richard TALBOT of Swanscombe
  • 14......Gundredb abt 1097 Northumberland m Neil d'AUBIGNY Jun 1118 Note:Neil was the son of Roger d'Aubigny and Amice de Mowbray
  • 15......Amice dob unknown m Richard de TALBOT aft 1181
  • 16......Haywise dob unknown The Annals of Bermondsey record the donation by "Hawisia de Gurnay" of "ecclesiam de Inglescombe in comitatu Somerset" to the abbey in 1112
  • 17......Walter dob unknown

Baron of Yarmouth

Gerard de Gournay, Baron of Yarmouth, was a grand Seigncur. He married Edith, daughter of William, Earl of Varenne in France, and 1st Earl of Warren and Surrey, in England, so created by William, the Conqueror, with whom he came to England in 1066. They had five children: Hugues III, Gautier, Anseau, Gonnor and Gundred. He went on the First Crusade and died on the way home on the 8th of May, 1097. Edith, who had accompanied him, was taken back to Normandy by Drogon, a Chevallier and friend of Gerard, who after married her, and they had a son. Drogon had rich manoirs of his own, but Henry I, of England, under pretense of danger to Gerard's children, put senechals in all their manoirs, took their fortresses, and took Gerard's children to himself. Of the above children their daughter, Gundred de Gournay, married Nigel d'Albini, and Gonner.

(Kin of Mellcene Thurman Smith, page 469)

Gerard de Gournai was also called seigneur de Gourny-en-Brai Gerold de Gournay.

He married Edith de Warenne, daughter of Guillaume I de Varennes, 1st Earl of Surrey and Gundred of Flanders, before 1091.

See "My Lines"

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from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA

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Birth: unknown Normandy, France Death: 1104

Gerard de Gournay was the son of Hugh de Gournay and Basilia Flatel. He lived during the reign of William Rufus and was in high favor, adhering to him against Robert Curthose in 1089 [Ord. Vital; Dugdale's Baronage, vol i. p. 430]. He married Editha, daughter of William Earl Warren, by Gundred. After 1096, Gerard de Gournay assumed the cross and accompanied Robert Curthouse into the Holy Land on the first crusade. He later returned on a pilgrimage to Jerusalem, along with his wife Editha, but died on his way there. His widow married, as her second husband, Dreux de Monceaus. Gerard founded the priory of Lessingham in Norfolk, which was attached to the Abbey of Bec in Normandy. ~ The Record of the House of Gournay, pp. 17-18, 22 From Gen-Medieval Archives: Gournay Family Pedigree. 193 From: (Douglas Richardson) Subject: Gournay Family Pedigree Date: 19 Jan 2003 17:36:28 -0800 Gerard de Gournay, of Caister, Norfolk, seigneur of Gournay-en-Brie, la Ferte-en-Brie, and Gaillefontaine, founder of Lessingham Priory, Norfolk, son and heir. He married before 1091 Aidieve or Ediva de Warenne, daughter of William de Warenne, lst Earl of Surrey, by Gundred, sister of Gerbod, Earl of Chester, and daughter of Gerbod. Her maritagium included the manor of Mapledurham, co. Oxford. They had one son, Hugh, and one daughter, Gundred. He and his father witnessed the foundation charter of Holy Trinity Caen in 1082 by King William the Conqueror. In 1090, he stood by William Rufus against Duke Robert, and, on their reconciliation, his allegiance and castles in Normandy were transferred to Duke Robert. He and his mother confirmed all of his father's gifts to the Abbey of Bec. He accompanied Robert, Duke of Normandy, on a crusade in 1096, and was with Bohemond in the advance from Nice in Bythinia. Gerard de Gournay was living in 1104, and is said to have died on a pilgrimage to Jerusalem. His widow, Aideve, married (2nd) Drew de Monceaux (living 1131). They had one son, Drew. [Sources cited: Delisle and Berger, Actes de Henry II vol. 1, no. 325 (mentions wife "Edwa" [recte Ediua] (not seen). Daniel Gurney, Record of the House of Gournay (1858), pp. 22 (chart), 63-72. Bedfordshire Historical Record Society 7 (1922): 153-157; 19 (1937): charts fol. pg. 99. Oxfordshire Record Society 7 (1925): 7-15. Curia Regis Rolls 6 (1932): 272-273. Paget (1957), 266: 1-4 (sub Gurnay); 569:1 (sub Warren)

Family links:

 Hugues de Gournay (1040 - 1093)
 Basilia Flaitel

 Edeva de Warenne*
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Gournay-en-Bray, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France
Gournay-En-Bray, Normandy, France
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Caistor Next Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
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