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Nicknames: "van Looz", "de Looz"
Birthplace: Borgloon, Flemish Region, Belgium
Death: Died in 1044/46
Managed by: George J. Homs
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About Giselbert van Loon

First count van Loon. First mentioned as count van Loon in 1031 Death established between 1044 and 18 may 1046.

His father is believed to be Rudolf van Hocht (location: near Lanaken, Belgium). However, Rudolf's brother Balderic I, bishop of Liège, was definitely Giselbert's uncle. Balderic II, bishop of Liège and son of Rudolf was definitely Giselbert's brother. However, there is no direct reference between Giselbert and Rudolf.

Source: Dr. J. Baerten, "Nationaal Biografisch Woordenboek", 1966, Koninklijke Vlaamse Academiën van België.

Literature quoted by J. Baerten: * J. Daris, Histoire de la bonne ville, de l'église et des comtes de Looz suivie de biographies lossaines. Liège, 1864, 385-391; * L . Vanderkindere, La formation territoriale des principautés belges au moyen age, dl. II. Brussel, 1902, 129 etc; * A. Hansay L'ancien comté et les anciens comtés de Looz, in : Mélanges Pirenne, 1926, 197-199; * C. Lays, Etude critique sur Ia Vita Balderici Episcopi Leodiensis. Paris-Liège, 1948, 136; * J. Stiennon, Etude sur Ie chartrier et le domaine de I'abbaye de Saïnt-Jacques de Liège. Paris-Liège, 1951, 93-97. 181 and 293-297; * Eg. I. Strubbe and L. Voet, Chronologie van de middeleeuwen en de moderne tijden in de Nederlanden, 376; * J. Baerten, Les comtes et Ie comté de Looz (1015-1366), proefschrift. Brussel, 1961

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GISELBERT Comte de Looz (?-1044/46)

GISELBERT, son of Comte RUDOLF & his wife --- (-[1044/46]). His parentage is confirmed by the Gesta Abbatem Trudonensium which names "Baldricus secundus…frater Ghiselbertus", when recording the former's installation as Bishop of Liège, read together with another part of the same passage which names "Baldricus secundus…filius Ottonis comitis de Los ex Lutgarde filia Hermegardis Namurcensis comitissæ…"[672]. Europäische Stammtafeln[673] shows Giselbert and his brothers as sons of Rudolf, although as noted above an additional generation between Rudolf and the brothers would not be surprising. Comte de Looz. "Baldricus…Leodiensis ecclesiæ sacerdos" founded the abbey of Liège Saint-Jacques, in the presence of "fratribus meis Gisleberto…comite de Los et Arnulfo", by charter dated 1016, witnessed by "…Arnulfus comes frater comitis Gisleberti"[674]. "Chonradus…Romanorum imperator augustus" confirmed property "in Alsatia et in comitatibus Gisilberti et Wezilonis comitum" to Kloster Peterlingen by charter dated 1027[675]. "Domina Adelaydis comitissa uxor quondam Hludovici comitis" donated property to Verdun Saint-Vanne by undated charter, subscribed by "Gislebertus comes"[676].

m ---. The name of Giselbert´s wife* is not known. *Note from FARKAS Mihály László **but his children (Emmo's and Otto's) mother was [Liutgarde de Namur] (-17 Jan 1078) See below**

The Vita Arnulfi names "Lugerdam, Godam, Ermengardam" as the three sisters of "Albertus comes Namurcensis", and adds that Liutgarde was the mother of "Emmonem et Ottonem fratrem eius", although without naming Liutgarde´s husband[677]. From a chronological point of view, it appears likely that Emmo and Otto were the sons of Giselbert, although no primary source has so far been found which names their father. If this is correct, Giselbert´s wife was Liutgarde de Namur, daughter of Albert [I] Comte de Namur & his wife Ermengardis of Lower Lotharingia [Carolingian]. As discussed above, another version is provided by the Gesta Abbatem Trudonensium which names "Lutgarde filia Hermegardis Namurcensis comitissæ" as wife of "Ottonis comitis de Los" and the couple as parents of "Baldricus secundus"[678]. However, as discussed above, this version is chronologically impossible. Until more information comes to light, it appears preferable to assume that Liutgarde was the mother of Emmo and Otto which, if correct, means that she was probably the wife of Giselbert.

A completely different possibility is suggested by the Annalista Saxo which names "Bertrada, soror Suanehildis comitisse de castro quod dicitur Lon in Hasbania, cuius filius fuit Arnoldus comes Mogotiensis prefectus" as wife of Graf Dietrich[679]. "Arnoldus comes Mogotiensis prefectus" in this passage must be identified as Arnaud [I] Comte de Looz, who is recorded as the son of Comte Emmo (see below). From a chronological point of view, it appears impossible that a daughter of Dirk III Count of Holland (the birth of whose children must be dated to [1010/35]) could have been the mother of Comte Arnaud [I] (whose death is dated to [1139]). On the other hand, it would be chronologically feasible for Dirk III´s daughter to have been the wife of Comte Giselbert. If this is correct, she was Suanehildis of Holland, daughter of Dirk III "Hierosolymita" Count of Holland & his wife Othelindis [von Hadmersleben]. The Vita Andreæ, first abbot of Averboden, in the Chronicle written by Nicolas Hogeland Abbot of Middelburg, records that "comitis Arnoldi Lossensis" descended "ex parte matris" from "Cliviæ comitibus"[680], which would be inconsistent with this hypothesis.

  • Comte Giselbert & his wife had [three] children:
  1. EMMO [Immo] (-17 Jan 1078). Comte de Looz
  2. OTTO (-1101 or after) Comte de Looz
  3. HERMAN (-after 1047)

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Giselbert, zoon van Rudolf van Avernas.

Overleden voor 1046. Meer bepaald, overleden voor 18-05-1046. De 1ste graaf van Loon van 1015/1031-1044/1046.

Het jaar 1015 slaat op de stichtingstijd van het graafschap Loon, maar er bestaat geen documentair bewijs van het bestaan van voor 1031. In 1044 regeerde hij nog, maar in 1046 was hij reeds vervangen.

Kinderen:

  1.  m  Emmo (zie IIIa).

  2.  m  Otto (zie IIIb).

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GISELBERT, son of Comte RUDOLF & his wife --- (-[1044/46]). His parentage is confirmed by the Gesta Abbatem Trudonensium which names "Baldricus secundus…frater Ghiselbertus", when recording the former's installation as Bishop of Liège, read together with another part of the same passage which names "Baldricus secundus…filius Ottonis comitis de Los ex Lutgarde filia Hermegardis Namurcensis comitissæ…"[665]. Europäische Stammtafeln[666] shows Giselbert and his brothers as sons of Rudolf, although as noted above an additional generation between Rudolf and the brothers would not be surprising. Comte de Looz. "Baldricus…Leodiensis ecclesiæ sacerdos" founded the abbey of Liège Saint-Jacques, in the presence of "fratribus meis Gisleberto…comite de Los et Arnulfo", by charter dated 1016, witnessed by "…Arnulfus comes frater comitis Gisleberti"[667]. "Chonradus…Romanorum imperator augustus" confirmed property "in Alsatia et in comitatibus Gisilberti et Wezilonis comitum" to Kloster Peterlingen by charter dated 1027[668]. "Domina Adelaydis comitissa uxor quondam Hludovici comitis" donated property to Verdun Saint-Vanne by undated charter, subscribed by "Gislebertus comes"[669].

m ---. The name of Giselbert´s wife is not known.

The Vita Arnulfi names "Lugerdam, Godam, Ermengardam" as the three sisters of "Albertus comes Namurcensis", and adds that Liutgarde was the mother of "Emmonem et Ottonem fratrem eius", although without naming Liutgarde´s husband[670]. From a chronological point of view, it appears likely that Emmo and Otto were the sons of Giselbert, although no primary source has so far been found which names their father. If this is correct, Giselbert´s wife was Liutgarde de Namur, daughter of Albert [I] Comte de Namur & his wife Ermengardis of Lower Lotharingia [Carolingian]. As discussed above, another version is provided by the Gesta Abbatem Trudonensium which names "Lutgarde filia Hermegardis Namurcensis comitissæ" as wife of "Ottonis comitis de Los" and the couple as parents of "Baldricus secundus"[671]. However, as discussed above, this version is chronologically impossible. Until more information comes to light, it appears preferable to assume that Liutgarde was the mother of Emmo and Otto which, if correct, means that she was probably the wife of Giselbert.

A completely different possibility is suggested by the Annalista Saxo which names "Bertrada, soror Suanehildis comitisse de castro quod dicitur Lon in Hasbania, cuius filius fuit Arnoldus comes Mogotiensis prefectus" as wife of Graf Dietrich[672]. "Arnoldus comes Mogotiensis prefectus" in this passage must be identified as Arnaud [I] Comte de Looz, who is recorded as the son of Comte Emmo (see below). From a chronological point of view, it appears impossible that a daughter of Dirk III Count of Holland (the birth of whose children must be dated to [1010/35]) could have been the mother of Comte Arnaud [I] (whose death is dated to [1139]). On the other hand, it would be chronologically feasible for Dirk III´s daughter to have been the wife of Comte Giselbert. If this is correct, she was Suanehildis of Holland, daughter of Dirk III "Hierosolymita" Count of Holland & his wife Othelindis [von Hadmersleben]. The Vita Andreæ, first abbot of Averboden, in the Chronicle written by Nicolas Hogeland Abbot of Middelburg, records that "comitis Arnoldi Lossensis" descended "ex parte matris" from "Cliviæ comitibus"[673], which would be inconsistent with this hypothesis.

Comte Giselbert & his wife had [three] children:

1. [EMMO [Immo] (-17 Jan 1078). The Vita Arnulfi names "Emmonem et Ottonem fratrem eius" as sons of Liutgarde, daughter of Albert [I] Comte de Namur[674]. From a chronological point of view, it is not possible for Emmo and his brother to have been the children of Otto de Looz who, as stated above, is recorded in other primary sources as the husband of Liutgarde de Namur. The primary source which confirms that Emmo and Otto were the sons of Comte Giselbert has not yet been identified, although this suggested parentage would fit the chronology of the family. Comte de Looz.]

- see below.

2. [OTTO (-1101 or after). The Vita Arnulfi names "Emmonem et Ottonem fratrem eius" as sons of Liutgarde, daughter of Albert [I] Comte de Namur[675]. From a chronological point of view, it is not possible for Emmo and his brother to have been the children of Otto de Looz who, as stated above, is recorded in other primary sources as the husband of Liutgarde de Namur. The primary source which confirms that Emmo and Otto were the sons of Comte Giselbert has not yet been identified, although this suggested parentage would fit the chronology of the family. The Gesta Abbatem Trudonensium names "Ottonem comitem Durachii, fratrem Emmonis comitis de Los" when recording his installation in 1060 as subadvocatus of St Trudo[676]. 1046/1101. Comte de Duras.

- COMTES de DURAS.

3. [HERMAN (-after 1047). "Hermannus frater comitis de Los archidiaconus Leodiensis" founded seven canonicates at the church of Looz in 1047[677]. Archdeacon of Liège. Assuming that the death date of Comte Giselbert is correctly shown above, Herman was the brother of Comte Emmo.]

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