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Giselbert de Roucy, comte de Roucy, Vicomte de Reims

Also Known As: "Gilbert de Roucy", "Gislbert de Roucy"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France
Death: Died in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France
Place of Burial: Basilique Saint-Remy, Reims, France
Immediate Family:

Son of Renaud I de Rheims, Comte de Roucy and Alberade (Aubree) de Lorraine
Husband of N.N. van Poitiers and N.N. N de Poitiers
Father of Judith Yvette Yvette de Roucy and Gisèle de Roucy
Brother of Brunon de Roucy, Bishop of Langres; Gerberge de Roucy de Reims and Ermentrude of Rheims

Occupation: Comte de Reims, de Roucy, 973, Sieur de Marle, Vidame de Reims, Count of Roucy
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About Giselbert de Roucy

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GISELBERT [de Roucy], son of RENAUD Comte [de Roucy] & his wife Alberade de Hainaut ([948/55]-19 Apr [991/1000], maybe 997, bur Abbaye de Saint-Rémy). The Acta Concilii Remensis ad Sanctum Basolum (dated to 991) quotes Bruno Bishop of Langres referring to "unicum fratrem meum comitem Gislebertum…"[1176]. Comte de Roucy. Vicomte de Reims. The necrology of Reims Cathedral records the death "XIII Kal Mai" of "Gisbertus comes"[1177].

m --- [de Poitiers]. Père Anselme states that the wife of "Gilbert Comte de Reims et de Roucy…semble avoir été de la maison de Poitiers" and that the couple were parents of Ebles, Liétard and Judith, shown below[1178]. The primary source on which this is based is not known. However, it is doubtful whether it can be correct in all its details. In particular, Judith Ctss de Rethel (alleged daughter of Gislebert & his wife, see below) must have been born in [1020/30] for chronological consistency with the estimated birth dates of her descendants, which excludes her being Giselbert's daughter. In addition, the origin of the names Ebles, Liétard and Judith is unclear among the family of Giselbert Comte de Roucy. Jean-Noël Mathieu suggests that Giselbert died childless and that the father of these children was Ebles de Poitou, son of Guillaume IV "Fier-à-Bras" Duke of Aquitaine [Guillaume II Comte de Poitou] & his wife Emma de Blois, based partly on onomastics and partly to explain how the territories of Rumigny-en-Porcéan and Coucy (under the suzerainty, respectively, of the abbey of Saint-Nicaise de Reims and the church of Saint-Rémi de Reims, and thereby closely connected with the family of the Comtes de Blois-Champagne) came into the family[1179]. J-N. Mathieu also suggests that the mother of these children was an otherwise unknown daughter of Ermentrude de Roucy, sister of Comte Giselbert, by her first husband Aubry [II] Comte de Macon who, in the ordinary course of events, would have been heiress of Roucy if Giselbert had died childless. The suggestion appears consistent from a chronological point of view. However, more research is needed to establish the original source on which the affiliation from Giselbert is based. Another possibility is that Ebles and Eudes were sons of Giselbert, but that Lietaud and Judith were children born from a second marriage of their mother.

Comte Giselbert & his wife had [four possible children]:

1. EBLES (-11 May 1033). The Genealogiciæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Lebaldus de Malla et…Iveta comitissa de Retest" as brother and sister of "Ebalus de Roceio"[1180]. Comte de Roucy 997. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the succession in 1023 as archbishop of Reims of "Ebalus qui fuit comes de Roseio"[1181]. Archbishop of Reims 1021. m (divorced before 1021) as her first husband, BEATRIX de Hainaut, daughter of REGINAR IV Comte de Hainaut & his wife Hedwige de France (after [996]-). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Beatricem" as daughter of "Rainero comiti de Hainaco" & his wife Hedwige, naming her husband "Ebalus de Roceio"[1182]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis gives more details, naming "Beatricem" daughter of "Hadevidem…comitissam Hainonensium" and specifying that she married "Ebalus de Roceio, cuius frater fuit Lebaldus de Malla et soror Iveta comitissa de Roitest" and later "Manasses cui agnomen Calva-asina"[1183]. She married secondly ([1021]) Manassès de Ramerupt "Calva-asina" [Montdidier]. Comte Ebles & his wife had two children:

a) ADELAIDE de Roucy ([1015/20]-1062). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Aelidam et Hadewidem" as the two daughters of "Ebalus de Roceio" & his wife, specifying that "omnes comites de Roceio et de Arceis sive de Ramerupt vel de Brena super Albam" descended from Adelaide[1184]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Adelidem et Hadevidem" as the two daughters of "Ebalus de Roceio " and his wife Beatrix, specifying that "secunda filia…soror…Hadevidis nupsit Helduino comiti de Ramerut[1185]. Her birth date is estimated from her mother's estimated birth date and the fact that Adelaide herself gave birth to her youngest child in [1060]. m HILDUIN [IV] Comte de Montdidier Seigneur de Ramerupt, son of HILDUIN [III] Seigneur de Ramerupt & his wife --- (-1063).


b) HEDWIGE de Roucy (-1070 or after). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Aelidam et Hadewidem" as the two daughters of "Ebalus de Roceio" & his wife, specifying that Hedwige married "Godefridus frater episcopi Gerardi Cameracensis"[1186], although the bishop in question was the uncle of Hedwige's husband not his brother. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Adelidem et Hadevidem" as the two daughters of "Ebalus de Roceio" & his wife Beatrix, specifying that Hedwige married "Condefrido de Ruminiaco" by whom she had "filium nomine Nicholaum et filias, quarum una peperit ex Radulfo de Veteri-villa Ebalum de Flurines et Ermentrudem, matrem Guilelmi de Birbais; secunda filia Hadevidis de Rumiaco ex Godefrido de Ranst peperit filios Iohannem et Nicholaum, qui Nicholaus Arnulfum et Godefridum procreavit; tercia filia iam dicte Hadevidis copulate domino de Granci peperit ei Ebalum eiusdem loci dominum"[1187]. m GODEFROI [IV] de Florennes, son of GODEFROI [III] Seigneur de Florennes [Rumigny] & his wife Gisela ---. 1066/78.

2. EUDES "le Fort/fortis" (-27 Aug after 1021). The necrology of the church of Reims records the death "VI Kal Sep" of "Odo fortis frater domini Ebali archiepiscopi"[1188].

3. LETAUD de Marle . The Genealogiciæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Lebaldus de Malla et…Iveta comitissa de Retest" as brother and sister of "Ebalus de Roceio"[1189]. m MATHILDE, daughter of ---. "Albericus de Cociaco…cum Adela uxore sua et matre eius Mathilde" granted privileges to the monastery of Nogent-sous-Coucy by charter dated 1059[1190]. Létaud & his wife had one child:

a) ADA de Marle . The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Letaldus de Marla…filiam nomine Adam" as mother of "Thomam de Marla"[1191]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "filia…Letardi domni de Marla… Ada" as mother of "Thomam de Cocy"[1192]. "Albericus de Cociaco…cum Adela uxore sua et matre eius Mathilde" granted privileges to the monastery of Nogent-sous-Coucy by charter dated 1059[1193], although the primary source which confirms that she was the daughter of Létaud, as well as the same daughter who later married Enguerrand de Coucy, has not yet been identified. Vicomtesse de Coucy. m firstly (divorced 1059) AUBRY [de Beaumont-sur-Oise] Vicomte de Coucy, son of [IVO [II] Comte de Beaumont & his wife Emma ---] (-before 1095). m secondly (repudiated) as his first wife, ENGUERRAND [I] Comte d´Amiens Seigneur de Boves et de Coucy, son of DREUX Seigneur de Boves & his wife --- (-1116).

4. [JUDITH . The Genealogiciæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Lebaldus de Malla et…Iveta comitissa de Retest" as brother and sister of "Ebalus de Roceio" and, in a later passage, "Iuetta soror…Letaldi de Marla" as mother of "Hugonem comitem de Retest"[1194]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comitissa de Reitest, uxor comitis Manesserii Iutta” as sister of "fratres Ebalus comes de Roceio et Letardus domnus de Marla"[1195]. Hugues de Rethel names his parents Manassès and Judith in a charter dated 1081 for the church of Braux[1196]. However, Judith Ctss de Rethel must have been born in [1020/30] for chronological consistency with the estimated birth dates of her descendants, which excludes her being the daughter of Giselbert Comte de Roucy. It is possible, as suggested above, that she was the uterine half-sister of Ebles Comte de Roucy, born from their mother's second marriage. m MANASSES [III] Comte de Rethel, son of [MANASSES [II] Comte de Rethel & his wife ---] (-1081 or after).


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Gilbert de Roucy was born about 956 in Reims, Marne, France. Gilbert's father was Renaud de Roucy and his mother was Alberade de Lorraine. His maternal grandparents were Gilbert Duke of Lorraine and Gerberge Queen of France. He had a sister named Ermentrude (Irmtrude). He was the older of the two children. He had a half-brother named Rainer II. He died about 985 in Reims, Marne, France. His burial was in Rheims, Marne, France.

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from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm ) -------------------- Giselbert Comte de Roucy, & Rheims 1 2

Born: ABT 951 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France 2

Died: AFT 19 APR 991 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France 3 4

Died: 990 5

Father: Renaud I Comte de Roucy, & Rheims b: ABT 925 in Roucy, Marne, Champagne, France

Mother: Alberade (Alverade) de Lorraine b: ABT 930 in Lorraine, France

Marriage 1 __________ de Macon b: ABT 970 in Macon, Saone-et-Loire, Bourgogne, France

Children:

Ebles I Comte de Rheims & Roucy b: 988 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France

Lietaud I de Roucy, Seigneur de Marle b: ABT 990 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France

Judith de Roucy b: BEF 991 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France

Yvette de Roucy b: ABT 992

Sources:

Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr., 1999

Page: 103a-23

Title: Leo's Genealogics Website (Leo van de Pas), www.genealogics.org

Page: Giselbert Comte de Roucy

Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com

Page: Alan B. Wilson, 30 Dec 1998

Text: 19 Apr 991/1000

Title: Leo's Genealogics Website (Leo van de Pas), www.genealogics.org

Page: Giselbert Comte de Roucy

Text: aft. 991

Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr., 1999

Page: 151-20

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Giselbert de Roucy's Timeline

952
952
Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France
970
970
Age 18
988
988
Age 36
Roucy, Aisnes, Pays de La Loire, France
990
April 19, 990
Age 38
Basilique Saint-Remy, Reims, France
990
Age 38
Roucy,Aisne,,France
991
April 29, 991
Age 39
Reims, Marne, Champagne, France
1936
January 27, 1936
Age 39
May 4, 1936
Age 39
1938
December 9, 1938
Age 39
1992
June 12, 1992
Age 39