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Giselbert I de Lorraine, comte de Basse-Lorraine

Also Known As: "Giselbert /de Hainaut/", "Giselbert Of The /Maasgau/", "(Gijsbrecht)"
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Birthplace: France
Death: Died in Rheims, Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France
Immediate Family:

Son of Reginar Van de Bidgau and Miss Van de Bidgau
Husband of Ermengarde de Lorraine
Father of Adalbert I (847-935) Von Maasgau, I; Régnier I "Langhals", comte de Hainaut; Erenfried I de Charmois & Bliesgau von Maasgau, count and Rainier (Regnier) de Saunois, Chaumontois Count de Saunois

Occupation: Comte de Brabant, comte en Maasgau, comte de Lomme, graaf in de Lommengouw vv.846-849, graaf van de Darnau 863, Duc, de Hesbaye, Comte, de Mansuarie, de Lomegau, de Brabant, de Basse-Lorraine, Comte de Maasgau, Count of Brabant, Count of Darnau.
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About Giselbert I, count of Lower Lorraine

Occupation: Count of Meuse

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giselbert_II_van_Maasgouw

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''' Optælling af DARNAU, i Massgau, alias Gilbert de BRABANT,? Aka Gislebert de MANSURIE''

'HM George I s 21-oldefar.

HRE Ferdinand I s 18-oldefar.

Amerikanske præsidents 24-oldefar.

PM Churchills 28-oldefar.

HM Margrethe II har 28-oldefar.

Otto von Bismarcks 25-oldefar.

Agnes Harris '24-oldefar.

`Osawatomie 'Browns 28-oldefar.

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Kone / partner:       Ermengarde (Helletrude) de Lorraine 
 Børn:       Regnier (Rainer Reginar) I (Count) de Hainault   ,   Adalbert I von MAASGAU

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 Hans (evt.) Børnebørn:       Regnier (Rainier Reginar) II (Count) af Hainaut   ,   Giselbert (Hainaut) (Duke) de Lothringen   ,   Simphoriane af Hainaut   ,   Erenfried I (Count) von Bliesgau 

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Fra http://fabpedigree.com/s068/f140103.htm

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http://genealogiequebec.info/testphp/info.php?no=24080

Gilbert, comte de Maasgau 1 (820 - 875)

Il est aussi connu sous le nom de Giselbert en Lommegau, comte 2. En 841, il est connu sous le nom de Giselbert II, comte de Maasgau dit de Hainaut 2, 3.

Il est le fils de Giselbert de Maasgau 3 et Bertswinda de Hesbaye 3.

Il nait en 820 3. Il épouse Irmengarde de Germanie, duchesse de Moselle, fille de Lothaire Ier de Germanie, empereur d'Occident et Ermengarde, comtesse de Tours en 846. Il décède en 875 3, 5.

Il nait en 820 2. Gilbert, comte de Maasgau est cité de 840 à 885 1. Il décède en 892 2.

Liste de ses enfants connus:

  1. Adalbert Ier de Maasgau (847 - 935) (de Irmengarde de Germanie, duchesse de Moselle)
  2. Rainier, duc de Lotharingie dit au Long Col (850 - 915) 3, 4 (de Irmengarde de Germanie, duchesse de Moselle)
  3. de Hainaut de Meuse (865 - ) 2 (de Irmengarde de Germanie, duchesse de Moselle)
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Lothair I

  • King of Bavaria, 814-817.
  • King of Italy, 822-5, 829-840.
  • Emperor, 833-4, 840-855 (joint emperor from 817)....

Children:....

  • FEMALE NN;
m. 846, Giselbert, fl. 840-863, count of Masau and Darnau.
In 846, Giselbert carried off an unnamed daughter of Lothair and married her ["Gisalbertus vassallus Karli filiam Hlutharii imperatoris rapuit et in Aquitaniam profectus in coniugem accepit. Hludowicus occidentem profectus mense Martio cum Karlo placitum habuit; in quo uterque eorum publice contestatus est suae non fuisse voluntatis, quod Gisalbertus filiae Hlutharii iungeretur, ut his auditis Hlutharius facilius placari potuisset." Annales Fuldenses, s.a. 846, MGH SRG 36]. This marriage appears to have been recognized in 848, when Giselbert and the emperor were reconciled ["Circa Kalendas autem Octobris general placitum habuit apud Mogontiacum, ... pro Gisalberhto, qui eodem anno ad fidem eius venerat, reconciliationis gratia direxit." Annales Fuldenses, s.a. 848, MGH SRG 37-8]. More about Giselbert can be found on the page of his conjectured son count Regnier I. Although the name of this daughter of Lothair I is not given in the sources, she has often been called Ermengarde in later sources [e.g., Anselme, 1: 43], a name whose source is unknown. Chaume would identify her with Lothair's known daughter Helletrude, widow of count Bérenger [Chaume (1925), 549 (table 11)].

http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/lotha000.htm

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12.684.633.244 Reginar I, geb. ca. 850; bezit tal van landgoederen in Wallonië en stroomafwaarts langs de Maas; wordt (ook in oorkonden) met verschillende titels aangeduid (graaf, markgraaf, na 911 ook missus dominicus); overl. na 25 augustus 915 en vóór 15 januari 916, tr. 12.684.633.245 Alberada N. [G.N. 1991, 580, nr. 5/213]. Ouders van 6.342.316.622. 12.684.633.246 Hendrik I, Duits koning, en diens tweede gemalin 12.684.633.247 Mathilde van Westfalen. Ouders van 6.342.316.623.

{{12,684,633,244 Reginar I, b. about 850, has numerous estates in Wallonia and downstream along the Meuse, is denoted by different titles (earl, marquis, after 911 also missus dominicus) (including charters) at. after 25 August 915 and before 15 January 916, tr. 

12,684,633,245 Alberada N. [G. N. 1991, 580, No. 5/213]. Parents of 6342316622. 12,684,633,246 Henry I, German king, and his second wife 12,684,633,247 Mathilde Westphalia. Parents of 6342316623}}

GENERATIE XXXV


25.369.266.488 Giselbert, vermeld als graaf in de Maasgouw 840 en 841; is vazal van Karel ‘de Kale’ van West-Francië wanneer hij (vóór maart 846) een dochter van keizer Lotharius naar Aquitanië ontvoert en daar huwt; verzoent zich (na een rijksdag te Thionville okt. 848) begin 849 met de keizer; graaf van de Darnau in 863; overl. na 14 juni 877; mogelijk zoon van een Reginar die in de jaren 797-814 als gegoed in de Bidgau aanwijsbaar is; tr. (na schaking) 846 25.369.266.489 N. (‘Irmingard’), geb. ca. 830. [G.N. 1991, 579, nr. 4/213]. Ouders van 12.684.633.244

{{25.369.266.488 Giselbert listed as count in Maasgouw 840 and 841, is a vassal of Charles 'the Bald' of West Francia when he kidnaps (before March 846) a daughter of Emperor Lothair to Aquitaine and married there; reconciled (after a Diet of Thionville Oct 848) 849 beginning with the Emperor. Earl of Darnau in 863; deceased. after 14 June 877, possibly the son of a Reginar in the years 797-814 as well-off is arguably the Bidgau, tr. (after elopement) 846 25,369,266,489 N. (Ermengarde), b. approximately 830. [G. N. 1991, 579, No. 4/213]. Parents of 12,684,633,244..}}

GENERATIE XXXVI


50.738.532.978 Lotharius I, geb. 795 (waarschijnlijk in Aquitanië en aldaar opgegroeid); (onder)koning in Beieren 814; tot keizer gekroond Aken juli 817; treedt in het klooster te Prüm 23-9, overl. 29 september 855 en begraven aldaar, tr. okt. 821 50.738.532.979 Ermengard, overl. 20 maart 851; dr. van Hugo graaf van Tours en Ava N. [G.N. 1991, 510, nr. 3/203]. Ouders van 25.369.266.489.

{{50,738,532,978 Lothair I, b. 795 (probably in Aquitaine where he grew up), (bottom) King of Bavaria 814; crowned emperor Aachen in July 817, enters the monastery of Prüm 23-9 at. September 29 855 and buried, tr. Oct. 821 50,738,532,979 Ermengard at. 851 March 20, Dr. Hugo Count of Tours and Ava N. [G. N. 1991, 510, No. 3/203]. Parents of 25,369,266,489.}}

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Giselbert I, count of Lower Lorraine's Timeline

820
820
France
846
March 846
Age 26
Moselle, Lorraine, Austrasia (now France)
847
847
Age 27
Maas, France
850
850
Age 30
Luxembourg
855
855
Age 35
a French Count, probably either Hainault or Lorraine
860
October 25, 860
Age 40
Verdun,Meuse,Lorraine,France
870
870
Age 50
Scarmois, Lorraine, France
877
June 14, 877
Age 57
Rheims, Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France
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