Herbert IV (VI) of Vermandois (1028 – 1080), Count of Vermandois (called Herbert IV in Wikipedia and Herbert VI in the FMG MedLands database), was the son of Eudes/Otto of Vermandois and Pavia (or Patia)

Family and children

He married Adele of Valois, daughter of Raoul III of Valois and Adele de Bar-sur-Aube, and had the following children:

* Adele of Vermandois, married to Hugh of Vermandois

• Eudes (Odo) "l'Insensé" (+ after 1085)

According to the FMG Medieval Lands database

HERIBERT [VI] ([1032]-[1080]).

• He succeeded his father in 1045 as Comte de Vermandois.
• He succeeded as Comte de Valois in 1077, by right of his wife.
• "Herbertus Vermandensium et Vadascorum comes" donated property to the church of Saint-Quentin and others, with the consent of "Alide coniugis meæ", by charter dated 1059 (date unlikely to be correct, considering that Héribert did not succeed as Comte de Valois until 1077)[1358].

m ([1059 or before]) ADELAIS de Valois, daughter of RAOUL [III] Comte de Valois, de Crépy et de Vitry & his first wife Aelis de Bar-sur-Aube (-after 1077).

• The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Symonem et filiam…Adala" children of "comitis Veromandie [error for Valois] Rodolfi" and his wife Adela[1359]. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified.
• Ctss de Valois.
• "Herbertus Vermandensium et Vadascorum comes" donated property to the church of Saint-Quentin and others, with the consent of "Alide coniugis meæ", by charter dated 1059 (date unlikely to be correct, considering that Héribert did not succeed as Comte de Valois until 1077)[1360].

Comte Héribert [VI] & his wife had two children:

a) EUDES “l’Insensé” (-after 1085). The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses names "Odonem et Adelam sororem" as the two children of "comes Herbertus", specifying that Eudes was "fatuus et indiscretus" but that his brother-in-law gave him "filiam cuiusdam militis Viromandensis" as a wife[1361]. He was disinherited by his father. m HADWIG, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified.

[NOTE- SEIGNEURS de SAINT-SIMON. The descent of the family of Saint-Simon from Eudes "l'Insensé" de Vermandois was fabricated in the 17th century to flatter Claude Rouvroy de Saint-Simon, favourite of Louis XIII King of France[1362]. On the basis of this genealogy, the senior branch of the family of Rouvroy adopted the name "Saint-Simon de Vermandois".]

b) ADELAIS de Vermandois ([1065]-28 Sep [1120/24]).

• The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses names "Odonem et Adelam sororem" as the two children of "comes Herbertus", specifying that the husband of Adela was "Hugoni le Magne" and referring to her second husband "comes de Claromonte" and specifying that her daughter by the latter married Charles Count of Flanders[1363].
• The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Adelidem comitissam Viromandensium, defuncto priore viro, scilicet Hugone Magno" as wife of "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]"[1364].
• She succeeded her father in [1080] as Ctss de Vermandois, de Valois et de Crépy.
• m firstly ([1080]) HUGUES de France, son of HENRI King of France & his second wife Anna Iaroslavna of Kiev (1057-Tarsus in Cilicia 18 Oct 1102, bur Tarsus church of St Paul). Comte de Vermandois et de Valois by right of his wife. Leader of the French contingent in the First Crusade Aug 1096 returning to France after the victory of Antioch 1098 to raise another army. He set out again Mar 1101 but died from wounds received fighting the Greeks at Tarsus in Cilicia.
• m secondly (1103) as his first wife, RENAUD de Clermont, son of HUGUES de Clermont [en-Beauvaisis] dit de Mouchy & his wife Marguerite de Roucy [Montdidier] (-before 1162). He took the title Comte after his marriage[1365].

Wikipedia on Herbert IV de Vermandois

Herbert IV of Vermandois (1028 – 1080), Count of Vermandois, was the son of Otto of Vermandois and Pavia (or Patia).

Family and children

He married Adele of Valois, daughter of Raoul III of Valois and Adele de Bar-sur-Aube, and had:

1. Adelaide, Countess of Vermandois, married to Hugh of Vermandois. 2. Odo, Count of Vermandois (+ after 1085), married to Hedwig. Later became Lord of Saint-Simon by marriage. The last Carolingian.

-------------------- 10. HERBERT (VI) DE VERMANDOIS, b. 1032, d. 1080, m. Adèle (Alix) de Crepy, b. 1032, d. 1118

Eudes de Vermandois, b. 1060

Alice (ou Adele) de Vermandois