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Hildouin de Ramerupt, III

Also Known As: "Hildouin /de Rameru/", "Hildouin /De Montdidier/", "/II/"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France
Death: Died in Ramerupt, Aube, Champagne, France
Immediate Family:

Son of Hildouin II de Ramerupt, I. comte de Montdidier; Hildouin de Montdidier, II and Hélvise de Laon
Husband of Lesseline (Countess of Montdidier) d'Harcourt
Father of Lucie de Montdidier; Hildouin IV de Ramerupt, III. comte de Montdidier et de Roucy and Manassès 'Calva Asina' de Montdidier
Brother of Manassès, comte de Dammartin

Occupation: Count of Montdidier, Comte, de Montdidier, d'Arcis, de Mortagne, Sieur, de Ramerupt, 1030
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About Hildouin III de Ramerupt, II. comte de Montdidier

From the FMG Medieval Lands Database:


HILDUIN [III] de Ramerupt, son of [HILDUIN [II] Seigneur de Ramerupt & his wife ---] (-after 1032). Arbois de Jubainville names Hilduin [II] and adds that "on peut supposer que cet Hilduin était fils" of Hilduin [II], implying that there is no primary source which confirms that they were father and son[1223]. Comte [de Montdidier]. Seigneur de Ramerupt. Robert II King of France confirmed the donation of "Manasses comes" to Chartres Notre-Dame by charter dated 4 Feb 1031, signed by "…Manasses comitis, Hilduini comitis fratris eius, filiorum eius Manassis et Hilduini, Burcardo de Montemorenciaco, Evrardi filii Hilduini de Britoglio, Amalrici de Monteforti, Milonis de Caprosa…"[1224]. "…Hilduinus comes et Hilduinus filius eius…" subscribed the charter dated 1032 under which "Odo comes palatinus Francorum regis" founded Epernay abbey[1225].

m ---. The name of Hilduin's wife is not known. A suggestion about the family connections of Hilduin´s wife is provided by the Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis which names "comes Suessionis et comes de Dommartin et comes de Ronaco et Manasses cui agnomen Calva-asina" as brothers ("fratres") of "Helduino comiti de Ramerut", naming "Rainaldum comitem Suessionis et Iohannem, qui fratri successit in comitatum, et Manassem Suessionensem episcopum et filias" as the children of "supradictus comes Suessionis Guilermus…frater iam dicti Helduini"[1226]. It is clear from other sources that Guillaume Comte de Soissons (see the document PARIS REGION NOBILITY) descended from the family of the dukes of Normandy. The only way in which the Genealogiæ could make sense is if "fratres" can be interpreted as including brothers-in-law (an interpretation which has been observed and confirmed as correct in other cases). If that is correct, it is possible that Hilduin´s wife married, as her second husband, Renaud Comte de Soissons.

Hilduin [III] & his wife had [three] children:

1. HILDUIN [IV] (-[1063]). Robert II King of France confirmed the donation of "Manasses comes" to Chartres Notre-Dame by charter dated 4 Feb 1031, signed by "…Manasses comitis, Hilduini comitis fratris eius, filiorum eius Manassis et Hilduini, Burcardo de Montemorenciaco, Evrardi filii Hilduini de Britoglio, Amalrici de Monteforti, Milonis de Caprosa…"[1227]. Comte [de Montdidier]. Seigneur de Ramerupt. - see below.


2. [--- . The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "comes Suessionis et comes de Dommartin et comes de Ronaco et Manasses cui agnomen Calva-asina" as brothers of "Helduino comiti de Ramerut"[1228]. "Ronaco" could be Rosnay.]

3. MANASSES "Calva-asina" (-after 1053). Robert II King of France confirmed the donation of "Manasses comes" to Chartres Notre-Dame by charter dated 4 Feb 1031, signed by "…Manasses comitis, Hilduini comitis fratris eius, filiorum eius Manassis et Hilduini, Burcardo de Montemorenciaco, Evrardi filii Hilduini de Britoglio, Amalrici de Monteforti, Milonis de Caprosa…"[1229]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "comes Suessionis et comes de Dommartin et comes de Ronaco et Manasses cui agnomen Calva-asina" as brothers of "Helduino comiti de Ramerut", specifying that Manassès married (as her second husband) "prefatus comes Helduinus predicti Ebali uxorem dictam Beatricem, sororum videlicet suam"[1230]. Vidame de Reims 1053. m ([1021]) as her second husband, BEATRIX de Hainaut, widow of EBLES [I] Comte de Roucy, daughter of REGINAR IV Comte de Hainaut & his wife Hedwige de France. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Beatricem" daughter of "Hadevidem…comitissam Hainonensium", specifying that she married "Ebalus de Roceio, cuius frater fuit Lebaldus de Malla et soror Iveta comitissa de Roitest" and later "Manasses cui agnomen Calva-asina"[1231].

Manassès & his wife had three children:

a) MANASSES (-1106 or after). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Manassem" as the son of Beatrix by her second marriage, recording in a later passage his election as Archbishop of Reims in 1070[1232]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Manassem Remensem archiepiscopum et Guidonem de Novo-castello et Adelidem abbatissam…de Sancto Iohanne" children of "Manasses cui agnomen Calva-asina" & his wife Beatrix[1233]. Archbishop of Reims 1095/1106.

b) GUY [de Neufchâtel] (-before 1103). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Manassem Remensem archiepiscopum et Guidonem de Novo-castello et Adelidem abbatissam…de Sancto Iohanne" children of "Manasses cui agnomen Calva-asina" & his wife Beatrix[1234].

c) ADELA . The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Manassem Remensem archiepiscopum et Guidonem de Novo-castello et Adelidem abbatissam…de Sancto Iohanne" children of "Manasses cui agnomen Calva-asina" & his wife Beatrix[1235]. Abbess of Notre-Dame de Laon.

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Hildouin III Count of Montdidier

http://carolinagenealogy.org/all/pafg2679.htm#66855

Count Hildouin Montdidier III [Parents] was born about 1000 in Montdidier, Somme, France. He married Dammartin.

   Hilduin III, comte de Montdidier was born circa 980. He was the son of Hilduin II, comte de Montdidier.2 Comte de Montdidier, d'Arcies, & de Rameru in 1030.1 He died circa 1063.3
   Child of Hilduin III, comte de Montdidier:
   Hilduin IV, comte de Montdidier + b. 1010, d. 1063
   [S1345] Anselme de Sainte-Marie (augustin déchaussé), Histoire généalogique et chronologique de la maison royale de France, des pairs, grands officiers de la couronne et de la maison du roy et des anciens barons du royaume. (Reprod. de l'éd. de Paris : chez Estienne Loyson, 1674: Num. BNF de l'éd. de Paris : Bibliothèque nationale de France, 1987. 1 microfilmReprod. de l'éd. de Paris : Compagnie des libraires associez, 1730, 1730), VIII:863. Hereinafter cited as Pere Anselme's Histoire, 3rd Ed..
   [S1345] Anselme de Sainte-Marie (augustin déchaussé), Pere Anselme's Histoire, 3rd Ed., VIII:862.
   [S204] Roderick W. Stuart, Royalty for Commoners: The Complete Lineage of John of Gaunt, Son of Edward III, Kings of England, and Queen Philippa (.: ., 3rd Ed., 1998), 266-32. Hereinafter cited as RfC.

Dammartin. married Count Hildouin Montdidier III.

They had the following children:

     		M 	i 	Count Hildouin de Montdidier IV was born in 1010. He died in 1062. 

Son of Hildouin II Count of Montdidier, Seigneur de Rameru (-992)

      REF RFC. Seigneur de Rameru and Montdidier.
   ev. living 1033-1037

Married _____ DAMMARTIN

Children:

  1. Hildouin IV Count Montdidier and Roucy (1010-1062) m. Adelaide of Rouci (1014-1063) 

References:

1. "Royalty for Commoners",

        Roderick W. Stuart, 1992, 2nd edition.
        This book lists all of the known ancestors of John of Gaunt,
        which amounts to most of the Medieval royalty of Europe. Also
        see the following article: "A Mediaeval Miscellany:
        Commentaries on Roderick W. Stuart's Royalty for Commoners,"
        The American Genealogist 69 (April 1994)

2. "Ancestral roots of certain American colonists who came

        to America before 1700",
        Frederick Lewis Weis, 1992, seventh edition.
        The earlier editions were called: "Ancestral roots of
        sixty colonists who came to New England 1623-1650"

3. "Plantagenet Ancestry",

        Turton.

4. "The Royal Descents of 500 Immigrants",

        Gary Boyd Roberts, 1993.

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Alternate birth date : 992

Alternate Place of Death: Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France

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Hildouin III de Ramerupt, II. comte de Montdidier's Timeline

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Clermont,Oise,,France
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