Ingerman, or Ingram was a Frank and count of Hesbaye. His family is known as Robertians. His family line is not entirely sure, but he was probably the son of a Frank named Rodbert. Robert of Hesbaye and Cancor, founder of the Lorsch Abbey were probably his brothers. Landrada, mother of Chrodegang, Archbishop of Metz and first abbot of the Lorsch Abbey, was probably his sister.

Ingerman's daughter is certainly Ermengarde. She married into the Frankish royal family, the Carolingians and was the first wife of King Louis the Pious.

Sources

• Riché, Pierr. The Carolingians: a Family who Forged Europe.

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Ingerman, or Ingram was a Frank and count of Hesbaye. His family is known as Robertians. His family line is not entirely sure, but he was probably the son of a Frank named Rodbert. Robert of Hesbaye and Cancor, founder of the Lorsch Abbey were probably his brothers. Landrada, mother of Chrodegang, Archbishop of Metz and first abbot of the Lorsch Abbey, was probably his sister.

Ingerman's daughter is certainly Ermengarde. She married into the Frankish royal family, the Carolingians and was the first wife of King Louis the Pious.

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Ingerman, or Ingram was a Frank and count of Hesbaye. His family is known as Robertians. His family line is not entirely sure, but he was probably the son of a Frank named Rodbert. Robert of Hesbaye and Cancor, founder of the Lorsch Abbey were probably his brothers. Landrada, mother of Chrodegang, Archbishop of Metz and first abbot of the Lorsch Abbey, was probably his sister.

Ingerman's daughter is certainly Ermengarde. She married into the Frankish royal family, the Carolingians and was the first wife of King Louis the Pious.

From www.wikipedia.org at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingerman_of_Hesbaye

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Ingram war ein fränkischer Graf des späten 8. Jahrhunderts. Er ist vor allem bekannt als Vater der Kaiserin Irmingard, der zweiten Ehefrau Ludwigs des Frommen.

Über sein Leben ist nicht viel bekannt, mehr über seine Herkunft. Ingram stammt aus einem hochadligen Geschlecht aus dem Haspengau bei Lüttich. Er war ein Neffe von Chrodegang [1], Bischof von Metz, * um 715, † 766, und somit ein Enkel von Chrodegangs Eltern Sigramn und Landrada[2]. Landrada wiederum wird als Schwester des Robertiners Cancor[3], 745/778 bezeugt, † nach 782, und damit als Tochter von Robert I.[4], 722/757 bezeugt, † vor 764, gesehen.

Allerdings erzeugt diese Filiation chronologische Probleme:

   * Irmingard, * 775/780, † 818, deren Vater war

   * Ingram, dessen Onkel war

   * Chrodegang, * um 715, † 766, dessen Eltern waren

   * Sigramn und Landrada, deren Vater

   * Robert mit den Lebensdaten „722/757 bezeugt, † vor 764“ eher der Generation Chrodegangs zuzuordnen ist und somit schlecht dessen Großvater sein kann.

Schwennicke schlägt alternativ eine zweite Filiation vor, bei der Robert durch dessen Großvater Chrodobertus (Robert) ersetzt wird, der von 653 bis 678 bezeugt, in diesem Jahr 678 allerdings bereits Witwer ist. Sofern nicht eine zweite Ehe postuliert wird, wäre Landrada damit bei der Geburt Chrodegangs um die 40 Jahre oder älter gewesen, was wiederum aus biologischen Gründen zweifelhaft erscheint.

Literatur [Bearbeiten]

   * Gerd Treffer: Die französischen Königinnen. Von Bertrada bis Marie Antoinette (8.-18. Jahrhundert) Verlag Friedrich Pustet Regensburg 1996, Seite 42

   * Paulus Diaconus, Gesta ep. Mettensium, MG SS 2, Seite 267: „ex pago Hasbaniensis oriundus, patre Sigrammo, matre Landrada, Francorum ex genere primae nobilitatis progenuit."

   * Alfred Friese: Studien zur Herrschaftsgeschichte des fränkischen Adels. Der mainländisch-thüringische Raum vom 7. bis 11. Jahrhundert. Klett-Cotta Stuttgart 1979 Seite 98-103

   * Pierre Riché: Die Karolinger. Eine Familie formt Europa. Deutscher Taschenbuch Verlag GmbH & Co. KG, München 1991, Seite 173,179

   * Rudolf Schieffer: Die Karolinger. W. Kohlhammer GmbH Stuttgart Berlin Köln 1992, Seite 93, 114

   * Detlev Schwennicke: Europäische Stammtafeln II (1984) Tafel 10–11

   * Karl Ferdinand Werner: Bedeutende Adelsfamilien im Reich Karls des Großen. Band I Seite 83-142 in: Braunfels Wolfgang: Karl der Große. Lebenswerk und Nachleben. Verlag L. Schwann Düsseldorf Band I

Fußnoten [Bearbeiten]

  1. ↑ Chrodegang bei mittelalter-genealogie.de

  2. ↑ Landrada, a. a. O., hier ist auch (bei Hlawitschka) nachzulesen, dass Landrada keine Tochter Karl Martells war

  3. ↑ Cancor, a. a. O., vgl. Friese, Studien

  4. ↑ Robert I., a. a. O.

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Ingerman, or Ingram was a Frank and count of Hesbaye. His family is known as Robertians. His family line is not entirely sure, but he was probably the son of a Frank named Rodbert. Robert of Hesbaye and Cancor, founder of the Lorsch Abbey were probably his brothers. Landrada, mother of Chrodegang, Archbishop of Metz and first abbot of the Lorsch Abbey, was probably his sister.

Ingerman's daughter is certainly Ermengarde. She married into the Frankish royal family, the Carolingians and was the first wife of King Louis the Pious.

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   * Riché, Pierr. The Carolingians: a Family who Forged Europe.

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Ingerman, Eller Ingram var en Frank och räkna av Hesbaye. Hans familj är känd som Robertinger. Hans familj linje är inte helt säker, men han var troligen son till en Frank heter Rodbert. Robert av Hesbaye och Cancor, Grundare av Lorsch Abbey var nog hans bröder. Landrada, mor till Chrodegang, Ärkebiskop av Metz och första abbot i Lorsch Abbey, var troligen hans syster.

Ingerman dotter är säkert Ermengarde. Hon gifte sig i det frankiska kungafamiljen, Karolingerna och var den första hustru till kung Ludvig den fromme.

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Ingerman, or Ingram was a Frank and count of Hesbaye. His family is known as Robertians. His family line is not entirely sure, but he was probably the son of a Frank named Rodbert. Robert of Hesbaye and Cancor, founder of the Lorsch Abbey were probably his brothers. Landrada, mother of Chrodegang, Archbishop of Metz and first abbot of the Lorsch Abbey, was probably his sister.

Ingerman's daughter is certainly Ermengarde. She married into the Frankish royal family, the Carolingians and was the first wife of King Louis the Pious.

[edit]Sources

Riché, Pierr. The Carolingians: a Family who Forged Europe. -------------------- Ingerman, or Ingram was a Frank and count of Hesbaye. His family is known as Robertians. His family line is not entirely sure, but he was probably the son of a Frank named Rodbert. Robert of Hesbaye and Cancor, founder of the Lorsch Abbey were probably his brothers. Landrada, mother of Chrodegang, Archbishop of Metz and first abbot of the Lorsch Abbey, was probably his sister.

Ingerman's daughter is certainly Ermengarde. She married into the Frankish royal family, the Carolingians and was the first wife of King Louis the Pious.

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E. FAMILY of ENGUERRAND COMTE de PARIS

• 1. SIGRAMNUS . m LANDRADA, daughter of ---.
  • a) CHRODGANG [Hruotgang] (-7 Mar [766], bur Monastery of Gorze). Bishop.
  • b) son . Thegan names "nobilissimi ducis Ingorammi…filius fratris Hruotgangi, sancti pontificis"[187], but does not name his brother. m ---. The name of the mother of Enguerrand is not known. One child:
    • i) ENGUERRAND ([740/50]-). Thegan names "nobilissimi ducis Ingorammi…filius fratris Hruotgangi, sancti pontificis"[188]. According to Settipani[189], he was related to the family of Robert [Capet]. This is presumably based on the connection through the county of Hesbaie, in relation to which Robert (son of Lambert, died before 764, and supposed ancestor of the Robertiner family, see the document MEROVINGIAN NOBILITY) is recorded in 742. However, no primary source has yet been identified which directly links Enguerrand to the county of Hesbaie (apart from the reference to the origin of his paternal uncle, see above). Comte de Paris, although the primary source which proves that he held this county has not so far been identified. The birth date of Robert son of Lambert can be estimated to [700/10]. He would therefore presumably have belonged to the generation of Enguerrand's father or grandfather. Any relationship between Enguerrand and Robert on the paternal side could not have been closer than second cousin, which seems remote for the county of Hesbaie to have been transmitted between the two. It is possible that the relationship was through Enguerrand's mother, who could have been a sister of Robert, but this is a mere guess not based on any documentary evidence. m ROTRUD, daughter of ---. The primary source which names the wife of Enguerrand has not so far been identified. Enguerrand & his wife had one child:
      • (a) ERMENGARD ([775/80]-Angers 3 Oct 818, bur Angers). Thegan's Vita Hludowici Imperatoris names the wife of Emperor Louis "filiam nobilissimi ducis Ingorammi…Irmingarda"[190]. The Gesta Francorum records the death "818 V Non Oct" of "Irmingardis regina"[191]. The Vita Hludowici Imperatoris records the death "V Non Oct" of "Hirmingardis regina" three days after falling ill[192]. m ([794]) as his first wife, LOUIS King of the Aquitainians, son of CHARLES I "Charlemagne" King of the Franks & his second wife Hildegard (Chasseneuil-du-Poitou {Vienne} [16 Apr/Sep] 778-island in the Rhine near Ingelheim 20 Jun 840, bur Metz, église abbatiale de Saint-Arnoul). He was crowned Emperor LOUIS I “der Fromme/le Pieux” in 816.

-------------------- About Ingerman of Hesbaye, Duke of Hesbaye Ingerman, or Ingram was a Frank and count of Hesbaye. His family is known as Robertians. His family line is not entirely sure, but he was probably the son of a Frank named Rodbert. Robert of Hesbaye and Cancor, founder of the Lorsch Abbey were probably his brothers. Landrada, mother of Chrodegang, Archbishop of Metz and first abbot of the Lorsch Abbey, was probably his sister. Ingerman's daughter is certainly Ermengarde. She married into the Frankish royal family, the Carolingians and was the first wife of King Louis the Pious.