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Isabella Todd / Madison (Minor)

Nicknames: "Minor"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Toddsbury, Gloucester, Virginia
Death: Died
Immediate Family:

Daughter of Thomas or John Minor and Wife of Minor Gorsuch
Wife of unknown Todd and John Madison, Jr.
Mother of Thomas Todd; Mary Brockman; Elizabeth Ann Penn; Catherine Madison Gaines; Thomas Madison and 11 others

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About Isabella Todd / Madison (Minor)

Isabella Minor Madison is Dorothy Willard's 7th great grandmother.

Dorothy Willard (Duncan) -John Henry Duncan, Dorothy’s father-Emma Whitman, John Henry’s mother- Mary Jane Stodghill, Emma’s mother- Joel Stodghill, Mary’s father- Durette Stodghill, Joel’s father- Joel Stodghill, Durette’s father- James Stodghill, Joel’s father- Ann Madison, James’ mother- Isabella Minor Todd, Ann’s mother --------------------

Great Grandmother of President Madison -------------------- Madison genforum: www.jmu.edu/madison/family/familytree.htm has a document in the form of a family ancestral tree in President James Madison's own hand that claims one of his great grandparents as Isabella Minor Todd. Since he writes his wife's name as D.P. Todd and we know that Dorothea Payne was married first to John Todd, then we can assume the same order of naming was used for his great grandmother. So Isabella was not a Todd, and since middle names were not used then we can assume she was a Minor, if she was married only once previously.

This family outline is reproduced in "Genealogies of Virginia Families," Vol III, (William & Mary Quarterly) opposite p. 523.

Isabella WAS THE DAUGHTER OF EITHER THOMAS MINOR OR JOHN MINOR -- When she married John Madison, she had a son named Thomas Todd. -- This RootsWeb entry says she is the daughter of Thomas Todd 1619-09-12 Gloucester ENG + Anna Gorsuch, but that seems unlikely given the above. -- Genforum message 28 has an excerpt from "The American Genealogist" demonstrating that Isabel was not a daughter of Thomas Todd.

-------------------- THIS PERSON IS CONTESTED AS WIFE OF JOHN MADISON -- Read notes below. She appears in LDS files on US presidents, but she is not found in wills of her supposed parents Todd & Gorsuch. She is most likely daughter of John or Thomas Minor.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mysouthernfamily/myff/d0002/g0000097.html#I11083

Isabella Minor? TODD?

ABT 1663 - AFT 1710

ID Number: I11083

RESIDENCE: K&Q Co. VA

BIRTH: ABT 1663, Toddsbury, Gloucester, VA [59001]

DEATH: AFT 1710, St. Stephen's Parish, King & Queen Co. VA

RESOURCES: See: Error Notes LDS 9JXJ-W5 [S273] [S650] [S1976] [S1989] [S2481]

Father: Thomas TODD "the Immigrant"

Mother: Anne GORSUCH

Family 1 : John MADISON II

MARRIAGE: ABT 1692

Ann MADISON

+Ambrose MADISON

+Elizabeth Ann MADISON

+John MADISON III

Henry MADISON

+Eleanor MADISON

James MADISON

+Roger MADISON

Notes

Isabella, usually called Todd (but not a daughter of Capt. Thomas Todd & Anne Gorsuch), d. post 1706. CONFLICT: daughter of Thomas Todd and Anne Gorsuch. Posted by Don Page on October 16, 1998: "There is a lot of people who think there was such a person as Isabella Minor Todd who married John Madison Jr. She was supposed to be the daughter of Capt Thomas Todd and Anna Gorsuch. In my opinion this is all false.

First, Thomas Todd and Anna Gorsuch did not have a daughter Isabella (see both of their wills).

Second, I can find no proof that John Madison Jr married an Isabella Minor Todd. Third John Madison did not have a daughter Mary who married Samuel Brockman. Would like to exchange data with anyone who has proof of any of this." Don Page

President's line on microfishe at Harold B. Lee Library at Brigham Young University shows her name as Isabella Minor Todd. per Donna Hull EMail: dmhull@frazmtn.com.

[S273]

[59001]

or Walkern, Hertford, England

http://genforum.genealogy.com/madison/messages/338.html

If you go to www.jmu.edu/madison/family/familytree.htm you can view a document in the form of a family ancestral tree in President James Madison's own hand that claims one of his great grandparents as Isabella Minor Todd.

Since he writes his wife's name as D.P. Todd and we know that Dorothea Payne was married first to John Todd, then we can assume the same order of naming was used for his great grandmother. So Isabella was not a Todd, and since middle names were not used then we can assume she was a Minor, if she was married only once previously.

www.jmu.edu/madison/family/familytree.htm

Notes:

genforum:

birth and death dates

--

Madison genforum:

www.jmu.edu/madison/family/familytree.htm has a document in the form of a family ancestral tree in President James Madison's own hand that claims one of his great grandparents as Isabella Minor Todd.

Since he writes his wife's name as D.P. Todd and we know that Dorothea Payne was married first to John Todd, then we can assume the same order of naming was used for his great grandmother. So Isabella was not a Todd, and since middle names were not used then we can assume she was a Minor, if she was married only once previously.

This family outline is reproduced in "Genealogies of Virginia Families," Vol III, (William & Mary Quarterly) opposite p. 523.

Isabella WAS THE DAUGHTER OF EITHER THOMAS MINOR OR JOHN MINOR

--

When she married John Madison, she had a son named Thomas Todd.

--

This RootsWeb entry says she is the daughter of Thomas Todd 1619-09-12 Gloucester ENG + Anna Gorsuch, but that seems unlikely given the above.

--

Genforum message 28 has an excerpt from "The American Genealogist" demonstrating that Isabel was not a daughter of Thomas Todd.

Hinds Site: Genealogy of Ken Hinds -- page 3832 -------------------- Great Grandmother of President Madison -------------------- Madison genforum: www.jmu.edu/madison/family/familytree.htm has a document in the form of a family ancestral tree in President James Madison's own hand that claims one of his great grandparents as Isabella Minor Todd. Since he writes his wife's name as D.P. Todd and we know that Dorothea Payne was married first to John Todd, then we can assume the same order of naming was used for his great grandmother. So Isabella was not a Todd, and since middle names were not used then we can assume she was a Minor, if she was married only once previously.

This family outline is reproduced in "Genealogies of Virginia Families," Vol III, (William & Mary Quarterly) opposite p. 523.

Isabella WAS THE DAUGHTER OF EITHER THOMAS MINOR OR JOHN MINOR -- When she married John Madison, she had a son named Thomas Todd. -- This RootsWeb entry says she is the daughter of Thomas Todd 1619-09-12 Gloucester ENG + Anna Gorsuch, but that seems unlikely given the above. -- Genforum message 28 has an excerpt from "The American Genealogist" demonstrating that Isabel was not a daughter of Thomas Todd.

-------------------- THIS PERSON IS CONTESTED AS WIFE OF JOHN MADISON -- Read notes below. She appears in LDS files on US presidents, but she is not found in wills of her supposed parents Todd & Gorsuch. She is most likely daughter of John or Thomas Minor.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mysouthernfamily/myff/d0002/g0000097.html#I11083

Isabella Minor? TODD?

ABT 1663 - AFT 1710

ID Number: I11083

RESIDENCE: K&Q Co. VA

BIRTH: ABT 1663, Toddsbury, Gloucester, VA [59001]

DEATH: AFT 1710, St. Stephen's Parish, King & Queen Co. VA

RESOURCES: See: Error Notes LDS 9JXJ-W5 [S273] [S650] [S1976] [S1989] [S2481]

Father: Thomas TODD "the Immigrant"

Mother: Anne GORSUCH

Family 1 : John MADISON II

MARRIAGE: ABT 1692

Ann MADISON

+Ambrose MADISON

+Elizabeth Ann MADISON

+John MADISON III

Henry MADISON

+Eleanor MADISON

James MADISON

+Roger MADISON

Notes

Isabella, usually called Todd (but not a daughter of Capt. Thomas Todd & Anne Gorsuch), d. post 1706. CONFLICT: daughter of Thomas Todd and Anne Gorsuch. Posted by Don Page on October 16, 1998: "There is a lot of people who think there was such a person as Isabella Minor Todd who married John Madison Jr. She was supposed to be the daughter of Capt Thomas Todd and Anna Gorsuch. In my opinion this is all false.

First, Thomas Todd and Anna Gorsuch did not have a daughter Isabella (see both of their wills).

Second, I can find no proof that John Madison Jr married an Isabella Minor Todd. Third John Madison did not have a daughter Mary who married Samuel Brockman. Would like to exchange data with anyone who has proof of any of this." Don Page

President's line on microfishe at Harold B. Lee Library at Brigham Young University shows her name as Isabella Minor Todd. per Donna Hull EMail: dmhull@frazmtn.com.

[S273]

[59001]

or Walkern, Hertford, England

http://genforum.genealogy.com/madison/messages/338.html

If you go to www.jmu.edu/madison/family/familytree.htm you can view a document in the form of a family ancestral tree in President James Madison's own hand that claims one of his great grandparents as Isabella Minor Todd.

Since he writes his wife's name as D.P. Todd and we know that Dorothea Payne was married first to John Todd, then we can assume the same order of naming was used for his great grandmother. So Isabella was not a Todd, and since middle names were not used then we can assume she was a Minor, if she was married only once previously.

www.jmu.edu/madison/family/familytree.htm

Notes:

genforum:

birth and death dates

--

Madison genforum:

www.jmu.edu/madison/family/familytree.htm has a document in the form of a family ancestral tree in President James Madison's own hand that claims one of his great grandparents as Isabella Minor Todd.

Since he writes his wife's name as D.P. Todd and we know that Dorothea Payne was married first to John Todd, then we can assume the same order of naming was used for his great grandmother. So Isabella was not a Todd, and since middle names were not used then we can assume she was a Minor, if she was married only once previously.

This family outline is reproduced in "Genealogies of Virginia Families," Vol III, (William & Mary Quarterly) opposite p. 523.

Isabella WAS THE DAUGHTER OF EITHER THOMAS MINOR OR JOHN MINOR

--

When she married John Madison, she had a son named Thomas Todd.

--

This RootsWeb entry says she is the daughter of Thomas Todd 1619-09-12 Gloucester ENG + Anna Gorsuch, but that seems unlikely given the above.

--

Genforum message 28 has an excerpt from "The American Genealogist" demonstrating that Isabel was not a daughter of Thomas Todd.

Hinds Site: Genealogy of Ken Hinds -- page 3832 show less View All Immediate Family

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   John Madison, Jr.
   husband
   Mary Madison
   daughter
   Elizabeth Ann Penn
   daughter
   Catherine Madison Gaines
   daughter
   Thomas Madison
   son
   Ambrose Henry Madison
   son
   Eleanor Mary Coleman
   daughter
   Ambrose Henry Madison
   son
   Jean Madison
   son
   Henry Madison
   son
   James Madison
   son
   John Madison, III
   son
   unknown Todd
   husband
 

-------------------- http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/e/n/Elaine-Hensley/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0224.html www.myheritage.com smart matches http://founders.archives.gov/documents/Madison/01-01-02-0063-0001

Isabella Minor Todd-Madison (b. 1662, d. Aft. 1706)

Isabella Minor Todd-Madison (daughter of Capt. Thomas Todd and Anne Gorsuch-Todd) was born 1662 in Woodbury, Gloucester, Virginia, and died Aft. 1706 in King and Queen County, Virginia. She married John Madison.

  • I. Great-Grandmother of the 4th President of the United States of America, Pres. James Madison, known as the "Father of the American Constituion".
  • III. Children of John Madison and Isabella Minor Todd-Madison:

1. John MADISON b: Abt 1690 in ,Essex, Virginia 2. Catherine Madison b: 1693 in Virginia 3. Mary MADISON b: 1695 in Orange County, Va. 4. Elizabeth AnnMADISON b: 1697 in Orange County, Va. 5. Ambrose MADISON b: 1700 in Essex, Orange County, Virginia 6. Roger MADISON b: 1701 in Va. 7. Miss MADISON b: Abt 1704 in Va. 8. Henry MADISON b: Bef 1706 in Va. 9. Thomas MADISON b: Bef 1706 in Va. 10. Miss MADISON b: Abt 1706 in Va.

John Madison, the second of that name in Virginia, and his wife, Isabella Minor Todd, had a son, Ambrose (d. 1732), who married Frances Taylor (1700–1761) in 1721. Frances Taylor was a daughter of James Taylor (ca. 1674–1729), probably the second rather than the third of that name in Virginia, and of his wife, Martha Thompson (1679–1762). The son of Ambrose and Frances Taylor Madison was James Madison, Sr. (1723–1801), the father of JM. A son of Edwin Conway (ca. 1642–1698) and his wife, Elizabeth Thornton, was Francis Conway (1697–1733). Rebecca Catlett (d. 1760), whom Francis married about 1718, was the granddaughter of Elizabeth Underwood and John Catlett, killed by Indians in a fort at Port Royal on the Rappahannock River in 1670, and a daughter of John’s son of the same name (1658–1724) and his wife, Elizabeth Gaines. Nelly Conway (1732–1829), one of the children of Francis and Rebecca Catlett Conway, married James Madison, Sr., on 15 September 1749.

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Isabella Todd / Madison's Timeline

1663
1663
Toddsbury, Gloucester, Virginia
1683
1683
Age 20
Orange, Virginia
1685
1685
Age 22
Orange Co, VA
1690
1690
Age 27
King and Queen, Virginia
1693
1693
Age 30
Halifax County, VA, USA
1695
1695
Age 32
Orange, Orange, Virginia, United States
1698
1698
Age 35
VA, USA
1699
March 14, 1699
Age 36
Essex, Orange Co, Virginia
1700
1700
Age 37
VA, USA
1700
Age 37
King and Queen, Virginia, United States