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Jacques de Savoye, SV/PROG

Nicknames: "Viscount", "Jacob de Savoij", "Jacobus de Savo", "Jacobus de Savoye", "Jacobùs Savooij"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Ath, Hainaut, Walloon Region, Belgium
Death: Died in Cape Town, South Africa
Place of Burial: Cape Town, Western Cape, South Africa
Immediate Family:

Son of Julien de Savoye; Jacques DE SAVOYE; Jeanne Dureau and Jeanne DE SAVOYE
Husband of Christine Madeleine du Pont and Marie-Madeleine le Clercq, SM
Father of Jeanne de Savoye, b1; Catherine de Savoye; Jacques de Savoye, b2; Julienne-Louise de Savoye, b3; Marguerite -Thérèse Therese de Savoye, b4 PROG 1 and 7 others
Brother of Jacques de Savoye; Gillette de Savoye and Jean de Savoije

Occupation: Business man, Merchant/Heemraad, owner of vrede & lust wine farm, Farmer
Managed by: Lodewyk Christiaan Steyn, b1c3d1...
Last Updated:

About Jacques de Savoye, SV/PROG

de Savoye Family Progenitor Details from project

a. Jacques de Savoye b. before 29 January 1636, d. October 1717

m 4/7/1657 Christine du Pont b. c 1640, d. b 1686

b1. Jeanne de Savoye b. b 1667

b2.Catherine de Savoye (b 21 September 1663 - ) requires validation

b3. [Agatha Therese de Savoye] baptised 7/1/1667 requires validation (presently merged into Marguerite)

b4.Jacques de Savoye b. Jun 1669

b.5.Julienne-Louise de Savoye b. 16 May 1671, d. May 1671

b.6.Marguerite-Thérèse de Savoye b. b 4 Sep 1672, d. Mar 1742

b7. Barbe-Thérèse de Savoye b. b 20 May 1674

b8. Chrétien de Savoye b. 27 Jun 1676, d. b 30 Sep 1676

b9. Susanne de Savoye b. 27 Jan 1678

m 1686 Marie-Madeleine le Clercq b. c 1670, d. 1721

b10. Jacques de Savoye b.b 12 Apr 1687

b11.Jacquette de Savoye b.b 12 Apr 1687 possibly twin of Jacques. Possibly died young as not on emigration boat in 1688

b12.Aletta de Savoye b. b 17 Jul 1689

b13.Philippe Rudolf de Savoye b. b 29 Aug 1694


Resources

  • http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g5/p5156.htm
  • M. Boucher. French Speakers at the Cape in the first hundred years of Dutch East India Company rule: The European background. Pretoria: University of South Africa, 1981.pp. 264-269.
  • Pieter Coertzen, The Huguenots of South Africa 1688-1988 (28 Wale Street, Cape Town: Tafelberg Publishers Limited, 1988)

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Cape Muster Roll 1695

http://www.eggsa.org/sarecords/index.php/muster-rolls/cape-archives-vc-copies/19-cape-muster-roll-1695

Page 147

Christoffel Snijman & Margrita de Savoye 4 k.

Page 148

Jacobus Savoije & Maria Magdalena Clerck 4 k.

Cape Muster Roll of 1702 ... compiled on 23 January 1702, Cape Archives VC 49s

Page 7

Christoffel Snijman & Margarita de Savoije 8 k.

Page 12

Christiaan Eijlers & Barbara de Savoije 2 k.

Page 16

Jagus de Savoye & Maria Magdalena de Clercq 3 k.

http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g5/p5156.htm

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French Huguenot immigrants to SA in 1688 on the ship 'Oosterlandt':

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Namen van de fransche gereformeerde vluchtelinge toe gestaen op het reglement en Eedt als vrije luijde te vertrecken naer de Cabo de bonne Esperance met het schip Oosterlant :

  • Jacques de Savoije van Aeth
  • Maria Magdalena le Clerck van tournay syn huijsvrouw
  • Anthonette Carnoij van tournay : de schoonmoeder van Jacques d'Savoije.
  • Margo out 17 jaren
  • barbere out 15 jaren } Alle kinderen van Jaecques de Savoije
  • Jacques out 9 maenden
   ...

En hebbe alle dese voorenstaende mans persoonen gedaen den Eedt in hande van de heer galernis tresel als schepe binnen deser stadt Middelb. op de 8 Januar : Ao 1688.

- Botha, C Graham: The French Refugees at the Cape, 2nd Ed 1921

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http://www.stamouers.com/desavoye.htm

Jacques de SAVOYE (Savoije) gebore 1636, Aeth, Hainaut (Vlaandere). Hy trou 4 Julie 1657 met Christine du PONT, sy was van Ath. Hy trou die tweede maal in 1686 met Marie Madeleine de KLERK (le CLERCQ) sy was van Doornik. Jacques sterwe Oktober 1717. Hy word ook beskryf as 'n oortuigde Calvinis, wat baie vir sy geloof gely het. Blykbaar het sy ywer vir die Protestantse geloof tot gevolg gehad dat hy deur die Jesuïete vervolg is, en daar is selfs sprake van 'n moordkomplot teen hom. Trek van Gent na Sas van Gent in 1686.

Daarna trek hulle na Middelburg. Vertrek op 29 Jan 1688 met die Oosterlandt na die Kaap. Saam met Jacques was sy tweede vrou Marie Madeleine de KLERK (le CLERQ), twee van sy dogters uit sy eerste huwelik, Margaretha 17 jaar en Barbe-Therese 15 jaar, baba Jacques 9 maande en skoonma Antonette Carnoy. Hy bring ook die 3 Nourtier-broers saam as sy knegte. Hulle arriveer op 25 April 1688.

In die Kaap kry hy die plaas Vrede-en-Lust in Drakenstein. Hy was 'n slawe-eienaar, heemraad en selfs Kaptein van die Drakenstein-militia. Ouderling in die kerk.

Jacques se geldsake wou steeds nie vlot verloop nie. Hy was in die skuld by die V.O.C. en ander, o.a. dominee Pierre Simond en was bekend daarvoor dat hy "traag was om rekeninge flink te vereffen". Desnieteenstaande beskryf ds. François Simond van die Gereformeerde Kerk in Flaandere hom as 'n eerlike man met baie ywer vir sy geloof, en verklaar "sy lewe is 'n waardige voorbeeld van reinheid en heiligheid in soverre dit moontlik was in die plek waar hy hom bevind het, waar afgodery hoogty gevier het." Ook goewerneur Van der Stel skryf in 'n brief aan die Kamer van Delft oor hom: "Jacques de Savoye en sy gesin is 'n voorbeeld van ywer vir al die vlugtelinge en uitgewekenes, en dat hy as Heemraad aangewys is n.a.v. sy vaardighede."

Interesant genoeg was hy later aktief in die Vryburgers se stryd teen goewerneur W.A. van der Stel, en is vir 'n tydperk in die Kasteel toegesluit. Hy word beskryf as 'n opvlieënde man, wat maklik aanstoot geneem het. Hy verhuis met sy vrou en haar ma terug na Nederland in 1712 as afslagtarief-dekpassassiers op die Samson.

Hy laat in die Kaap 3 getroude dogters en een seun, waarskynlik Philippe Rudolph, agter. Lg. het sonder erfgenaam gesterf. Dit is bekend dat Jacques by die Walloonse kerk in Amsterdam aangesluit het in 1714. Tog keer hy weer terug na die Kaap in 1716. Daar sterf hy op die rype ouderdom van 81 en is begrawe in Oktober 1717. Christine du Pont sterf 1686. Sy het 5 kinders gehad.

Die tweede vrou Le Clercq sterwe c1721

KINDERS

  • b1 Jeanne * Ath c.1667 x Andre DU PONT
  • b2 Jacques gedoop Gent Jun 1667
  • b3 Julienne-Louise *Gent 16 Mei 1671
  • b4 Marguerite-Therese *Gent 4 Sept 1672, x Christoffel SNYMAN, xx Henning VILJOEN.
  • b5 Barbe-Therese * Gent 20 Mei 1674, x Christian EILERS, xx Elias KINA.
  • b6 Chretien *Gent 27 Jun 1676
  • b7 Suzanne *Gent 27 Jan 1678
  • Tweede Huwelik
  • b8 Jacues gedoop Middelburg 12 April 168
  • b9 Aletta ~ Kaapstad 17 Jul 1689 x Pierre Meyer
  • b10 Philippe-Rudolphe ~Drak 28 Aug 1694, + c1741, ongetroud, amptenaar VOC

Sterfdatums van kinders Julienne Louise + Gent Mei 1671, twee weke oud en Chretien # Gent 30 Sept 1676. Bron Boucher " French speakers at the Cape" pp. 265-267. Hy gee die doopname volgens Franse spelwyse uit registers van die St. Jacobs-kerk in Gent. Sien ook "Hugenotebloed in ons Are" pp. 19 & 20.

SAG 11 p 505 SNYMAN, Christoffel SNYMAN x MT DE SAVOYE,... uit Gent (ipv Aeth), d.v. J. DE S. en Christine DU PONT v Ath.

Bronne:

Saamgestel deur: Ekstra inligting van Jean le Roux

From http://www.genealogyworld.net/ellen/NotesonHuguenotFamilies.htm

"DE SAVOYE; Jacques, of Ath; Marie Madeleine LE CLERC, his wife, of Tournay; and their three children:--Margot (or Marguerite), 17 years old, Barbere, 15 years, and Jacques, 9 months old, together with Antoinette CARNOY, DE SAVOYE’S mother-in-law, sailed in the Oosterland from Middelburg on 29th Jan. 1688. In a despatch from the Chamber of Rotterdam dated 24th Dec. 1687, special mention is made of Jacques DE SAVOYE in the following terms:--


‘By this opportunity there will proceed to the Cape to settle there as a Colonist one Jacques SAVOYE and his wife. He has been ‘under the cross’ (persecuted), and for many years an eminent merchant at Ghent in Flanders; where he has been persecuted by the Jesuits to such an extent, and where even his life was being threatened, that in order to escape from their snares, and peacefully end his days beyond their reach, he has resolved to cross the ocean as a Colonist and to take with him various Flemish farmers of the reformed religion, who have also suffered persecution, and for the same reason as that of SAVOYE leave their Fatherland. And because we know SAVOYE as we have described him, we most willingly recommend him to your notice and request you to lend him a helping hand, and consider him in the light in which we have introduced him, hoping that for the furtherance of the intentions of the Lords Seventeen he will be an able and desirable instrument.’ (Rambles through the Archives of the Cape of Good Hope, by H. C. V. Leibbrandt, 1887.)


Jacques DE SAVOYE ‘with wife and two children’ were among those who did not need any assistance from the Relief Fund 1690; and ‘with wife and three children’ among the Draenstein inhabitants 1692. he left no sons. His daughter Marguerite married before 1690, (1) Christoffel SNYMAN (descendants still living) and (2) Henning VILLION, son of Francois VILLION (or FIGNON) of Clermont. Barbere married (1) Christiaan ELERS (no descendants), and (2) Elias KIENA (no descendants). Aletta DE SAVOYE married Pieter MEYER, presumably Pierre MEYER the refugee."

Jaques De Savoye

Jaques De Savoye was born in Ath, Belgium around 1636 and died in the Cape in October, 1717. He was a merchant and Cape free burgher and was the son of Jacques de Savoye and his wife, Jeanne van der Zee (Delamere, Desuslamer).

Jacques was a wealthy merchant in Ghent, Belgium, but his devotion to the Protestant religion led to his persecution by the Jesuits, and there was even an attempt to murder him. In 1687 he moved to the Netherlands and left for the Cape in the Oosterland on 29th January 1688. In addition to his wife, mother-in-law and three of his children, he was accompanied by the brothers Jean, Jacob and Daniel Nortier.

De Savoye soon became a leader among the French community at the Cape: he was one of the deputation which, on 28th November 1689, asked the Governor and Council of Policy for a separate congregation for the French refugees, and the following year he helped to administer the funds donated to the French refugees by the charity board of the church of Batavia. At various times he also served on the college of landdros and heemraden .

To begin with, Jacques farmed at Vrede-en-Lust at Simondium and in 1699 was also given Leeuwenvallei in the Wagenmakersvallei ( Wellington ), but settled at the Cape soon afterwards. He apparently experienced financial difficulties since in 1701 he owed the Cape church council 816 guilders and various people sued him for outstanding debts. In 1712 he described himself as being without means.

In March 1712 he left for the Netherlands in the Samson, accompanied by his wife and mother-in-law. He enrolled as a member of the Walloon congregation in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, on 16th December 1714, but only four months later, on 20th April 1715, it was reported that he had returned to the Cape. There is, however no documentary proof of his presence neither at the Cape neither after 1715, nor in C.G. Botha's assertion that he died in October 1717.

De Savoye often clashed with other people. During the struggle of the free burghers against Wilhem Adriaen van der Stel, he was strongly opposed to the Governor and was imprisoned in the Castle for a time. He was also involved in a long-drawn-out dispute with the Rev. Pierre Simond, and he and Hercules des Pré went to court on several occasions to settle their differences.

He was married twice: first to Christiana du Pont and then to Marie Madeleine le Clercq of Tournai, Belgium, daughter of Philippe le Clercq and his wife, Antoinette Carnoy. Five children were born of the first marriage and three of the second. Three married daughters and a son remained behind at the Cape, as well as a son who was a junior merchant in the service of the V.O.C. and who died without leaving an heir.

Concerning the de Savoye family, it can be noted that while the connection between Jacques de Savoye and his daughter, Marguerite (Margarethe or Margo), and the Dukes of Savoy has not been traced, Jacques was originally a subject of the King of France, and as such would only have used a surname incorporating the aristocratic prefix de if he actually belonged to an aristocratic family.

It can safely be inferred that he was in fact descended from the family of the dukes.

What is known about Jacques is that he lived a the French town called Aeth, and that in 1687 he was living in Ghent, in Flanders. He was a Huguenot merchant known for his zealous defence of his beliefs and for inviting itinerant Protestant pastors to conduct services in his house. For this he earned the hostility of his Catholic neighbours and was pursued by the Jesuits. (The Edict of Nantes was repealed in 1685, and it is likely that he fled France at this time.) At least one attempt was made on his life.

His first wife, Christine du Pont, bore him nine children, of whom six survived to adulthood. Following her death in 1686, Jacques went to live in Sas van Ghent, just across the Dutch border in Zeeland.

While in Sas van Ghent in 1686-87 he married Marie-Madeleine le Clerq from Tournai, in Hainault. They moved from Sas van Gent to Middelburg, where he immediately made plans to join a party of settlers heading for the Cape of Good Hope.

The House of Savoy can be traced back to Humbert I the Whitehanded, probably of Burgundian origin, who in the mid-11th century AD was effectively lord of the area incorporated into France in 1860 as the départements of Savoie and Haute-Savoie, as well as other districts along the Rhône south of Lake Geneva.

This feudal lordship became a county, and afterwards (as the authority of the Holy Roman Emperor diminished) was elevated to a duchy.

The Encyclopædia Britannica notes: “Among the most notable counts of Savoy were Amadeus VII (ruled 1383-91), under whom the port of Nice was acquired, and Amadeus VII (ruled 1391-40), under whom Piedmont (capital Turin), on the Italian side of the Alps, was definitely incorporated (after having belonged for nearly two centuries to a branch of the house) and to whom the title of duke was granted in 1416.”

The Kings of France coveted the district because it controlled strategic routes into Italy, but although it was captured several times by French forces, the ducal house managed to recover it each time.

For a time the family claimed royal status through inheriting the title King of Cyprus (a Crusader title which became practically ineffective when Turkey seized the island).

Victor Amadeus II (ruled 1675-1730) attained actual royal status as ruler of Sicily, which he exchanged in 1720 for Sardinia.

King Victor Emmanuel I (ruled 1802-21) added the province of Liguria, including the port city of Genoa, to the family’s holdings in 1815, and so held a solid bloc of territory from the Ligurian Sea to Switzerland (in addition to Sardinia). This was the platform from which the dynasty launched its ambition to unite Italy under a Savoyard crown, which eventually succeeded in 1861.

The arms of the Dukes of Savoy were a silver (or white) cross on red. When the family ruled Italy, the royal arms showed the cross within a blue border – these arms appeared on the white panel of the green-white-red flag of Italy from 1848 to 1946.

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Jacques de SAVOYE (Savoije) gebore 1636, Aeth, Hainaut (Vlaandere). Hy trou 4 Julie 1657 met Christine du PONT, sy was van Ath. Hy trou die tweede maal in 1686 met Marie Madeleine de KLERK (le CLERCQ) sy was van Doornik. Jacques sterwe Oktober 1717. Hy word ook beskryf as 'n oortuigde Calvinis, wat baie vir sy geloof gely het. Blykbaar het sy ywer vir die Protestantse geloof tot gevolg gehad dat hy deur die Jesuïete vervolg is, en daar is selfs sprake van 'n moordkomplot teen hom. Trek van Gent na Sas van Gent in 1686.

Daarna trek hulle na Middelberg. Vertrek op 29 Jan 1688 met die Oosterlandt na die Kaap. Saam met Jacques was sy tweede vrou Marie Madeleine de KLERK (le CLERQ), twee van sy dogters uit sy eerste huwelik, Margaretha 17 jaar en Barbe-Therese 15 jaar, baba Jacques 9 maande en skoonma Antonette Carnoy. Hy bring ook die 3 Nourtier-broers saam as sy knegte. Hulle arriveer op 25 April 1688.

In die Kaap kry hy die plaas Vrede-en-Lust in Drakenstein. Hy was 'n slawe-eienaar, heemraad en selfs Kaptein van die Drakenstein-militia. Ouderling in die kerk.

Jacques se geldsake wou steeds nie vlot verloop nie. Hy was in die skuld by die V.O.C. en ander, o.a. dominee Pierre Simond en was bekend daarvoor dat hy "traag was om rekeninge flink te vereffen". Desnieteenstaande beskryf ds. François Simond van die Gereformeerde Kerk in Flaandere hom as 'n eerlike man met baie ywer vir sy geloof, en verklaar "sy lewe is 'n waardige voorbeeld van reinheid en heiligheid in soverre dit moontlik was in die plek waar hy hom bevind het, waar afgodery hoogty gevier het." Ook goewerneur Van der Stel skryf in 'n brief aan die Kamer van Delft oor hom: "Jacques de Savoye en sy gesin is 'n voorbeeld van ywer vir al die vlugtelinge en uitgewekenes, en dat hy as Heemraad aangewys is n.a.v. sy vaardighede."

Interesant genoeg was hy later aktief in die Vryburgers se stryd teen goewerneur W.A. van der Stel, en is vir 'n tydperk in die Kasteel toegesluit. Hy word beskryf as 'n opvlieënde man, wat maklik aanstoot geneem het. Hy verhuis met sy vrou en haar ma terug na Nederland in 1712 as afslagtarief-dekpassassiers op die Samson.

Hy laat in die Kaap 3 getroude dogters en een seun, waarskynlik Philippe Rudolph, agter. Lg. het sonder erfgenaam gesterf. Dit is bekend dat Jacques by die Walloonse kerk in Amsterdam aangesluit het in 1714. Tog keer hy weer terug na die Kaap in 1716. Daar sterf hy op die rype ouderdom van 81 en is begrawe in Oktober 1717. Christine du Pont sterf 1686. Sy het 5 kinders gehad.

Die tweede vrou Le Clercq sterwe c1721

KINDERS

b1 Jeanne * Ath c.1667 x Andre DU PONT

b2 Jacques gedoop Gent Jun 1667

b3 Julienne-Louise *Gent 16 Mei 1671

b4 Marguerite-Therese *Gent 4 Sept 1672, x Christoffel SNYMAN, xx Henning VILJOEN.

b5 Barbe-Therese * Gent 20 Mei 1674, x Christian EILERS, xx Elias KINA.

b6 Chretien *Gent 27 Jun 1676

b7 Suzanne *Gent 27 Jan 1678

Tweede Huwelik

b8 Jacues gedoop Middelburg 12 April 168

b9 Aletta ~ Kaapstad 17 Jul 1689 x Pierre Meyer

b10 Philippe-Rudolphe ~Drak 28 Aug 1694, + c1741, ongetroud, amptenaar VOC

Sterfdatums van kinders

Julienne Louise + Gent Mei 1671, twee weke oud en Chretien # Gent 30 Sept 1676. Bron Boucher " French speakers at the Cape" pp. 265-267. Hy gee die doopname volgens Franse spelwyse uit registers van die St. Jacobs-kerk in Gent. Sien ook "Hugenotebloed in ons Are" pp. 19 & 20.

SAG 11 p 505 SNYMAN,

Christoffel SNYMAN x MT DE SAVOYE,... uit Gent (ipv Aeth), d.v. J. DE S. en Christine DU PONT v Ath.

Bronne:

Saamgestel deur:

Ekstra inligting van Jean le Roux

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Jaques de Savoye is in Aeth, Hainaut (Vlaandere) gebore. Hy was 'n sakeman daar, en het goed gedoen. Verhuis na Gent in 1667. Hy was bekend as ietwat van 'n dweper, en het die redelik verdraagsame owerhede in Gent geïrriteer. Hy word ook beskryf as 'n oortuigde Calvinis, wat baie vir sy geloof gely het. Blykbaar het sy ywer vir die Protestantse geloof tot gevolg gehad dat hy deur die Jesuïete vervolg is, en daar is selfs sprake van 'n moordkomplot teen hom. Trek van Gent na Sas van Gent in 1686. (Daar is later in die Kaap geskinder dat dit was omdat hy in Gent bankrot gespeel het. Hy het die plek verlaat omtrent dieselfde tydstip dat sy skoonseun (moontlik sy vennoot) bankrot gespeel het en na Leiden vertrek het). Jacques se broer Jean de Savoye het ook in Leiden gewoon. Daarna trek hulle na Middelberg.

Vertrek op 29 Jan 1688 met die "Oosterlandt" na die Kaap. Saam met Jacques was sy tweede vrou Marie Madeleine, twee van sy dogters uit sy eerste huwelik, Margaretha (17 jaar) en Barbe-Therese (15 jaar), baba Jacques (9 maande) en skoonma Antonette Carnoy. Hy bring ook die 3 Nourtier-broers saam as sy knegte. Hulle arriveer op 25 Apr 1688. In die Kaap was hy 'n boer (hy het die plaas Vrede-en-Lust in Drakenstein besit), 'n slawe-eienaar, heemraad en selfs Kaptein van die Drakenstein-militia. Ouderling in die kerk.

Jacques se geldsake wou steeds nie vlot verloop nie. Hy was in die skuld by die V.O.C. en ander, o.a. dominee Pierre Simond en was bekend daarvoor dat hy "traag was om rekeninge flink te vereffen". Desnieteenstaande beskryf ds. François Simond van die Gereformeerde Kerk in Flaandere hom as 'n eerlike man met baie ywer vir sy geloof, en verklaar "sy lewe is 'n waardige voorbeeld van reinheid en heiligheid in soverre dit moontlik was in die plek waar hy hom bevind het, waar afgodery hoogty gevier het." Ook goewerneur Van der Stel skryf in 'n brief aan die Kamer van Delft oor hom: "Jacques de Savoye en sy gesin is 'n voorbeeld van ywer vir al die vlugtelinge en uitgewekenes, en dat hy as Heemraad aangewys is n.a.v. sy vaardighede." Interesant genoeg was hy later aktief in die Vryburgers se stryd teen goewerneur W.A. van der Stel, en is vir 'n tydperk in die Kasteel toegesluit. Hy word beskryf as 'n opvlieënde man, wat maklik aanstoot geneem het. Hy het die plaas "Vrede en Lust" in Drakenstein besit.

Verhuis met sy vrou en haar ma terug na Nederland in 1712 as afslagtarief-dekpassassiers op die Samson. (Hy moes waarskynlik sy hele fortuin verloor het). Hy laat in die Kaap 3 getroude dogters en een seun, waarskynlik Philippe Rudolph, agter. Lg. het sonder erfgenaam gesterf. Dit is bekend dat Jacques by die Walloonse kerk in Amsterdam aangesluit het in 1714. Tog keer hy weer terug na die Kaap in 1716. Daar sterf hy op die rype ouderdom van 81 en is begrawe in Oktober 1717.

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Jaques De Savoye (Jonnie Wahl's 7 times great grandfather on his maternal side) was born in Ath, Belgium around 1636 and died in the Cape in October, 1717. He was a merchant and Cape free burgher and was the son of Jacques de Savoye and his wife, Jeanne van der Zee (Delamere, Desuslamer).

Jacques was a wealthy merchant in Ghent, Belgium, but his devotion to the Protestant religion led to his persecution by the Jesuits, and there was even an attempt to murder him. In 1687 he moved to the Netherlands and left for the Cape in the Oosterland on 29th January 1688. In addition to his wife, mother-in-law and three of his children, he was accompanied by the brothers Jean, Jacob and Daniel Nortier.

De Savoye soon became a leader among the French community at the Cape: he was one of the deputation which, on 28th November 1689, asked the Governor and Council of Policy for a separate congregation for the French refugees, and the following year he helped to administer the funds donated to the French refugees by the charity board of the church of Batavia. At various times he also served on the college of landdros and heemraden .

To begin with, Jacques farmed at Vrede-en-Lust at Simondium and in 1699 was also given Leeuwenvallei in the Wagenmakersvallei ( Wellington ), but settled at the Cape soon afterwards. He apparently experienced financial difficulties since in 1701 he owed the Cape church council 816 guilders and various people sued him for outstanding debts. In 1712 he described himself as being without means.

In March 1712 he left for the Netherlands in the Samson, accompanied by his wife and mother-in-law. He enrolled as a member of the Walloon congregation in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, on 16th December 1714, but only four months later, on 20th April 1715, it was reported that he had returned to the Cape. There is, however no documentary proof of his presence neither at the Cape neither after 1715, nor in C.G. Botha's assertion that he died in October 1717.

De Savoye often clashed with other people. During the struggle of the free burghers against Wilhem Adriaen van der Stel, he was strongly opposed to the Governor and was imprisoned in the Castle for a time. He was also involved in a long-drawn-out dispute with the Rev. Pierre Simond, and he and Hercules des Pré went to court on several occasions to settle their differences.

He was married twice: first to Christiana du Pont and then to Marie Madeleine le Clercq of Tournai, Belgium, daughter of Philippe le Clercq and his wife, Antoinette Carnoy. Five children were born of the first marriage and three of the second. Three married daughters and a son remained behind at the Cape, as well as a son who was a junior merchant in the service of the V.O.C. and who died without leaving an heir.

Jaques de Savoye is in Aeth, Hainaut (Vlaandere) gebore. Hy was een of ander sakeman daar, en het goed gedoen. Verhuis na Gent in 1667. Hy was bekend as ietwat van 'n dweper, en het die redelik verdraagsame owerhede in Gent geïrriteer. Hy word ook

beskryf as 'n oortuigde Calvinis, wat baie vir sy geloof gely het. Blykbaar het sy ywer vir die Protestantse geloof tot gevolg gehad dat hy deur die Jesuïete vervolg is, en daar is selfs sprake van 'n moordkomplot teen hom. Trek van Gent na Sas van

Gent in 1686. (Daar is later in die Kaap geskinder dat dit was omdat hy in Gent bankrot gespeel het. Hy het die plek verlaat omtrent dieselfde tydstip dat sy skoonseun (moontlik sy vennoot) bankrot gespeel het en na Leiden vertrek het). Jacques se

broer Jean de Savoye het ook in Leiden gewoon. Daarna trek hulle na Middelberg.

Vertrek op 29 Jan 1688 met die "Oosterlandt" na die Kaap. Saam met Jacques was sy tweede vrou Marie Madeleine, twee van sy dogters uit sy eerste huwelik, Margaretha (17 jaar) en Barbe-Therese (15 jaar), baba Jacques (9 maande) en skoonma Antonette

Carnoy. Hy bring ook die 3 Nourtier-broers saam as sy knegte. Hulle arriveer op 25 Apr 1688. In die Kaap was hy 'n boer (hy het die plaas Vrede-en-Lust in Drakenstein besit), 'n slawe-eienaar, heemraad en selfs Kaptein van die Drakenstein-militia.

Ouderling in die kerk.

Jacques se geldsake wou steeds nie vlot verloop nie. Hy was in die skuld by die V.O.C. en ander, o.a. dominee Pierre Simond en was bekend daarvoor dat hy "traag was om rekeninge flink te vereffen". DECnieteenstaande beskryf ds. François Simond van die

Gereformeerde Kerk in Flaandere hom as 'n eerlike man met baie ywer vir sy geloof, en verklaar "sy lewe is 'n waardige voorbeeld van reinheid en heiligheid in soverre dit moontlik was in die plek waar hy hom bevind het, waar afgodery hoogty gevier

het." Ook goewerneur Van der Stel skryf in 'n brief aan die Kamer van Delft oor hom: "Jacques de Savoye en sy gesin is 'n voorbeeld van ywer vir al die vlugtelinge en uitgewekenes, en dat hy as Heemraad aangewys is n.a.v. sy vaardighede." Interesant

genoeg was hy later aktief in die Vryburgers se stryd teen goewerneur W.A. van der Stel, en is vir 'n tydperk in die Kasteel toegesluit. Hy word beskryf as 'n opvlieënde man, wat maklik aanstoot geneem het. Hy het die plaas "Vrede en Lust" in

Drakenstein besit.

Verhuis met sy vrou en haar ma terug na Nederland in 1712 as afslagtarief-dekpassassiers op die Samson. (Hy moes waarskynlik sy hele fortuin verloor het). Hy laat in die Kaap 3 getroude dogters en een seun, waarskynlik Philippe Rudolph, agter. Lg. het

sonder erfgenaam gesterf. Dit is bekend dat Jacques by die Walloonse kerk in Amsterdam aangesluit het in 1714. Tog keer hy weer terug na die Kaap in 1716. Daar sterf hy op die rype ouderdom van 81 en is begrawe in OCTober 1717.

Bron: http://www.mypeoplepuzzle.co.za/cornel_viljoen_research/2510.htm

Ships Passenger List for Huguenot Ship Oosterlandt to South Africa 1688

Oosterland - 3rd ship to leave Netherlands, 160 feet long, could carry 275 passeners. Left Goeree February 3, 1688, no deaths on board and nobody sick when the ship arrived in Table Bay, 2 months & 22 days, arrived Table Bay April 25, 1688.

Jean De Bus of Marck, Calais

Jacques Therond

Jacques de Savoye from Aeth

Marie-Madelaine Le Clerk de Savoye from Doornik (Tournai) France

Antoinette Carnoy from Doornik

Margo de Savoye - 17

Barbere De Savoye - 15

Jacques de Savoye - 9 months

Jean Nortie (servant of Jacques de Savoye), farmer

Jacques Nortie ( " " " " ), farmer

Daniel Nortie ( " " " " ), peasant carpenter

Marie Vitout Nortie

Jean Prieur du Plessis, doctor from Poitiers

Magdalena Menanto (Menanteau) du Plessis from Poitiers

Charles du Plessis (born aboard ship)

Isaack Taillefert from Chateau-Thierry in Brie, wine farmer &

milliner

Susanna Briet Taillefert from Chateau-Thierry

Elyasbet Taillefert - 14

Jean Taillefert - 12

Isaack Taillefert - 7

Pierre Tillefert - 5

Susanna Taillefert - 2 1/2

Maria Taillefert - 1

Sara Avice from Chateaudun

Jan Cloudon from Conde

Jan de Bruisji, farmer from Calais

Jan Parisel, farmer from Paris

24 Huguenots

-------------------- Ath, provinsie Henegouwe in Spaanse Nederlande =29.01.1636 †1717 : 2de s.v. Julien de Savoye en Jeanne Dureau/Dureau; vlug 1667 na Franse verowering van Ath na Gent in Vlaandere; uitgesproke Calvinis; verhuis 1686 as wewenaar na Sas van Gent in Zeeland. In 1687 gaan hy en gesin na Middelburg, Zeeland, en in 1688 op die skip Oosterland na die Kaap; een van die afvaardiging van 5 Hugenote wat op 28 November 1689 onder leiding van Pierre Simond vir goewerneur Simon van der Stel besoek het om 'n eie gemeente en kerkraad vir die Hugenote te versoek

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'Jeanne DUREAU(DURIEAU)

Christened 30 May 1611 Aeth, Hainant, België

Father Jacques DUREAU(DURIEAU),

Mother Marie GHERSOUILLE,

Family

Spouse - Julien DE SAVOYE, c. 26 Oct 1602, Ath, Province Henegouwe In Spanish Netherlands ,

Married 23 Sep 1631 Aeth, Hainant, België

Children

  • Jacques DE SAVOYE, b. 1610, Aeth, France ,
  • Jacques DE SAVOYE, progenitor, b. 1636, Aeth, Hainant, France , d. 8 Oct 1717, Cape Town, Cape, South Africa
  • Gillette DE SAVOYE, c. 5 Feb 1633, Aeth, Hainant, België ,
  • Jean DE SAVOYE, c. 22 Apr 1646, Aeth, Hainant, België , d. 5 Jan 1692, Leiden, Zuid Holland, Nederland

http://www.greeff.info/tng01/getperson.php?personID=I59908&tree=PedigrFAGreeffEsagi

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[S656] de Wet File.

[S245] Email to GenForum - Afrikaans genealogy list., June Malherbe 23.4.2003 (Reliability: 3).

[S361] GenForum Gespreksgroep.

[S62] B J Vorster.ged.

[S213] Hugenote Gedenkmuseum, Mev Alet Malan en Juna Malherbe, Juna Malherbe se e-pos (Reliability: 3).

[S315] C R Swart.ged.

[S245] Email to GenForum - Afrikaans genealogy list., Juna Malherbe 25.4.2003 (Reliability: 3).

[S483] de Wet File ABBR de Wet File.

[S479] Stamboom 7 Junie 2008.paf.

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-------------------- Emigration: 29 Jan 1688 Middelburg, , Zeeland, Netherlands on the ship "Oosterlandt" Source: My People's Puzzle

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Jacques de Savoye, SV/PROG's Timeline

1636
January 29, 1636
Ath, Hainaut, Walloon Region, Belgium
January 29, 1636
Ath, Hainaut, Walloon Region, Belgium
January 29, 1636
1657
July 4, 1657
Age 21
July 4, 1657
Age 21
Netherlands
July 4, 1657
Age 21
Catholic Church, Ath, Province Henegouwe In Spanish Netherlands
1663
September 21, 1663
Age 27
1667
1667
Age 30
Saint Jacobs, Flanders
1669
1669
Age 32
1671
May 16, 1671
Age 35
Gent, France