Jane McClure (Fleming) (c.1728 - d.)

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Birthplace: d/o John (s/o George) or Richard Fleming
Death: (Date and location unknown)
Managed by: Pam Wilson
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About Jane McClure (Fleming)

Ancestors of Jane of Chester PA who md John McClure http://genforum.genealogy.com/fleming/messages/6367.html Posted by: Graham Louer on August 16, 2011

There were a LOT of Flemings in Chester Co PA, and a lot of them were named John but this scenario seems to be very probable.

A Robert Fleming made his will in 1741 Londonderry Township, Chester Co, and in his will named son David and grandchildren Robert (“not yet 18” in 1741) and John and Jane Fleming, but didn’t say if those three grandchildren were children of his son David. (Fathers didn’t necessarily mention all their children in their will if they had given them property before the will was written, so David might not have been the only son of Robert.)

In 1772, 31 years later, Robert Fleming of Oxford Township, same county, made his will, and, apparently not married, named only his father David, and his brothers and sister, in this order: Jean, John, James and David. He gave the property “left to me by my grandfather” to his father. He named as executor of his will his brother James. That was a curious selection, because he would more usually, in circumstances where he was not married, have named his father (who was likely too old by that time and/or didn’t want the job), or an elder brother (he didn’t have one), or his next eldest brother, who would be John, not James (as suggested by the order in which Robert named his brothers and sisters).

This 1772 will by Robert, who was certainly the grandson Robert, “not yet 18” in 1741 named by his grandfather Robert, proves that the Jane and John who in 1741 were called grandchildren by Robert were indeed also children of the elder Robert’s son David. (Jane and Jean were interchangeable as names and were spelled either way the writer had a mind to spell them.)

So now we have a John and Jane Fleming who were brother and sister. Jane would in 1741 be about 15 if she is the Jane Fleming born in 1726 who married John McClure.

So it looks like this Jane was the Jane who married John McClure (we know the marriage was in about 1752), Jane probably having met John the brother of Arthur McClure because she was living with her brother John Fleming in New London Township, or possibly was living elsewhere and came to visit her brother John and so met John McClure.

And, why didn’t Robert Fleming in 1772 name his next eldest brother John as executor of his will instead of the next brother James? Because John was already living far away in North Carolina and would not be able to serve as executor.

Note that it appears, from the order they were named in the 1741 will and the 1772 will, that the order of birth of the children of David was: Robert - Jane - John - James - David. (Wills usually named children in one of two ways: either all the boys first then all the girls, or in birth order. This plus the fact that David’s sons James and David weren’t mentioned by their grandfather in 1741, suggesting that possibly those two weren’t born yet in 1741.)

All of those items of evidence add up to almost certainly prove that the John Fleming in North Carolina with John McClure was Jane’s brother, not her father.

So, Jane’s line known(?) so far is

Robert Fleming, born est. 1650-1675, died >1741 ---David Fleming, born est. 1690-1700, died >1772 ------Jane Fleming, born 1726; died <1800

Jane had an elder brother, Robert, who was not yet 18 in 1741, according to his grandfather’s will. Since children were almost always born at least two years apart, and usually no more than two or three years apart, then we can suppose that Jane’s elder brother Robert probably was born in about 1723 or 1724, or possibly was a twin of Jane. It would appear, then, that Robert was very close to 18 when the will was written in 1741. Moreover, John, apparently the next of David’s children after Jane, was likely born in about 1728 give or take a year or so. By the same logic, it is estimated Jane’s brother James was born in about 1730, and her brother David in about 1732. The estimated birth years of these last two, however, contradicts the assumption that they had not yet been born in 1741, because they weren’t mentioned in their grandfather Robert’s will. The answer to this may be that Robert, like so many, mentioned only those grandchildren who were named after either himself, his wife, or his father or mother. Thus, by this logic, it may be that:

Going by guesswork from there, Jane’s father David was likely born in probably no later than 1700, say 1690 to 1700.

Jane’s grandfather Robert then was probably born anywhere between 1650 and 1675. It “appears” that Robert had only one living child when he wrote his will in 1741 ---though this can’t be certain--- and if so then Robert’s birth year would probably be closer to a range of 1665 to 1675.

But, there is a slight problem.

In 1783 a David Fleming made his will, in which he named daughter Jean Carothers, son John, and (as executor) son David, plus two sons of Jean Carothers.

This might be David who is estimated to have been born between 1690 and 1700, or it might be his son David, named in Robert’s 1772 will. If it is the David born in 1690-1700, he was quite far along in years, especially for those times, and it would mean that his daughter Jane/Jean married a Carothers, and my theory is no good. If it was his son David, however, the names are just a coincidence, which wouldn’t be surprising for son David to name a son David, either after his father or himself, and the names Jane/Jean and John were very popular .... and my theory would still be looking good.

I’m incliined to think that the David who made his will in 1783 was probably David the brother of Jane, not her father David, partly because if it were her father he would have been about age 80 to 90 or more, and because so many of the other pieces of the puzzle fit together so well.

It should also be noted that John McClure, Jane Fleming’s husband, seems not to have named any children after Jane’s presumed father David, for whatever reason, or if he did name a son David, he, David, apparently was not living in 1804 when his father John made his will, and in fact no David is seen in Rutherford Co NC records.

I am willing, even anxious, to share what I have with interested researchers.

Graham Louer glouer2@aol.com Plano TX

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Jane McClure's Timeline

1728
1728
d/o John (s/o George) or Richard Fleming
1750
1750
Age 22
1753
1753
Age 25
1755
January 23, 1755
Age 27
prob. Chester Co, PA
1757
1757
Age 29
PA
1759
January 11, 1759
Age 31
Chester Co, PA; Graham Louer's line
1760
1760
Age 32
Pennsylvania, United States
1761
1761
Age 33
1763
1763
Age 35
Rutherford, North Carolina, United States
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