NAME: JEAN BROCK= (John Brock)

SURNAME: Brock ....... GIVEN NAMES: Jean.... *SEX: M

BIRTH: 24 JAN 1729 S Peter Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands

DEATH:12 JUL 1777 Dinan, Cotes-d'Armor, Bretagne, France...Age (48)

• FATHER: William BROCK b: 1702
• MOTHER: Marie HENRY b: 1705

MARRIAGE: Elizabeth de LISLE b: 1733, Guernsey

Married: circa 1752, Guernsey, Channel Islands

CHILDREN

1...F...Elizabeth Brock b: 20 SEP 1756 in Guernsey, Channel Islands

2...F..Rebecca Brock b: 4 MAR 1758 in Guernsey, Channel Islands

3...M..John Brock b: 13 APR 1759 in Guernsey, Channel Islands

4...M...Ferdinand Brock b: 15 JUN 1760 in Guernsey, Channel Islands

5...M..Peter Henry Brock b: 5 JUL 1761 in Guernsey, Channel Islands

6..M...Daniel DeLisle Brock b: 10 DEC 1762 in Guernsey, Channel Islands

7...M...William Brock b: 23 JUN 1764 in Guernsey, Channel Islands

8...M...Peter Brock b: 6 AUG 1765 in Guernsey, Channel Islands

9...F...Elizabeth Brock b: 2 JAN 1767 in Guernsey, Channel Islands

10..M..Frederick Brock b: 3 OCT 1768 in Guernsey, Channel Islands

11..M...Sir Isaac Brock b: 6 OCT 1769 in Guernsey, Channel Islands

12..F...Mary Brock b: 25 APR 1771 in Guernsey, Channel Islands

13..M...John Savery Brock b: 22 OCT 1772 in Guernsey, Channel Islands

14..M..Irving Brock b: 23 MAY 1775 in Guernsey, Channel Islands

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NOTES

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See MEDIA for information sources

• In his youth, he was a midshipman in the navy, and in that capacity had made a voyage to India, which was then considered a great undertaking
• John Brock, owned privateering vessels that roamed the North Atlantic during the American War of Independence, Isaac was well schooled both in Guernsey and Southampton, England
• John Brock,( the second son of William Brock & Marie Henry, had by his wife, Elizabeth De Lisle, a very numerous family of 10 sons and 4 daughters, of whom 8 sons and 2 daughters reached maturity. Of those 8 sons, not one had a son who had a son who who lived to carry the name of Brock to the next generation.
• John was married to Elizabeth De Lisle, who was the daughter of the then Lieutenant-Bailiff of the island of Guernsey
• 'The house where the family lived , is a very fine granite one, which still remains, in the centre of the town of St. Peter Port It was bought by John Brock, on July 29th, 1769, possession to be had at the ensuing Michaelmas Day

• He died in June, 1777, at Dinan, in Brittany at the early age of 48 years.
• his death was an irreparable loss to his 14 children, who were of an age to require all the care and counsels of a father; the eldest, John was only just 17.
• Elizabeth died 26 years later in 1795 at the of 62

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The Brock family fed the armed forces. Military life attracted a number of Brock boys, all following in the footsteps of their father, John Brock, a vigorous, capable individual who was a midshipman in the Royal navy. He died at the age of forty-eight at Dinan in Brittany, France. Among the Brock children who survived to adulthood,

• John, the eldest, became a lieutenant-colonel in the 8th or King's Regiment. He lost his life in a duel in 1801 at the Cape of Good Hope.
• Ferdinand, was a lieutenant in the 60th or Royal American Regiment and saw distinguished service in the American Revolution. He was killed at the Battle of Baton Rouge.
• Savery, [**] the sibling most like Isaac in character and appearance, was a mid-shipman in the navy. Later he joined the army and served in the Peninsular War as aide-de-camp to Sir John Moore, a position of importance and prestige.
• Daniel de Lisle Brock achieved success as chief magistrate in Guernsey,
• William became a merchant and Irving a clever translator and writer.

While all eight brothers reached maturity, they left no male descendants. Two sisters, Mary and Elizabeth, survived to adulthood. The latter married John Tupper and several of their sons died for King and country.

• The common ancestor of the present Guernsey family of the name of Brock was William Brock, Esq., a native of the island, who died in the year 1776, and was the grandfather of the subject of this volume. He had three sons and one daughter, who became connected by marriage with some of the principal and most ancient families of Guernsey; namely, William, married to Judith, daughter of James De Beauvoir, Esq.;[4] John, married to Elizabeth De Lisle, daughter of the then lieutenant-bailiff of the island; Henry, married to Susan Saumarez, sister of the late Admiral Lord de Saumarez; and Mary, wife of John Le Marchant, Esq[5]

John Brock, Esq., born January 24, 1729, second son of the above-named William, had by his wife, Elizabeth De Lisle, a very numerous family of ten sons and four daughters, of whom eight sons and two daughters reached maturity. He died in June, 1777, at Dinan, in Brittany, whither he had gone for the benefit of the waters, at the early age of forty-eight years.[6] In his youth he was a midshipman in the navy, and in that capacity had made a voyage to India, which was then considered a great undertaking. As he was possessed of much activity of mind and considerable talent, his death was an irreparable loss to his children, who were of an age to require all the care and counsels of a father; the eldest, John, having only completed his seventeenth year. They were left in independent, if not in affluent, circumstances; but the fond indulgence of a widowed mother, who could deny them no enjoyment, tended, notwithstanding their long minority, to diminish their patrimony.

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Note:

Source: Brock chart from Priaulx library. De Lisle chart from Priaulx library "GSY People" by L J Marr Jim Leach

John Brock, was born on the 24th of January, 1729. He married Elizabeth de Lisle, daughter of the bailiff of Guernsey and the couple had fourteen children, four girls and ten boys. John, a mid-shipman died at Dinan, France at the age of forty-eight.

From Patrick Tupper:

Ferdinand Brock Tupper (1795-1874) the great historian of the Channel Islands, author of "The life and correspondence of Sir Isaac Brock K.B."(1845), states in this important book that the general's parents John Brock Esq. and Elizabeth de Lisle, had in fact 14 children (4 women and 10 men). But, the different genealogical trees from the Brock family available in The Priaulx Library, Candie Garden, Guernsey, only mention 13 children. Only 10 of them became adults. According to that information, the children in strict order of birth were as follows:

1. Rebecca, born in March 4th 1758, died as a girl;

2. John, born April 13th 1759. Lt Col in 81st Reg. Killed in duel July 1802, in Cape of Good Hope. Died single, no descendants;

3. Ferdinand, born June 15th 1760. Lt in 60th Reg. Killed at Baton Rouge, first American War, Sept 21th 1779. Died single without descendants;

4. Peter Henry, born July 1761, died as a boy before 1765;

5. Daniel de Lisle, born December 10th 1762. Bailiff of Guernsey 1821-1842, one of the greatest political leaders of the Channel Islands. Died September 24th 1842. Married 1798 with Esther Tourtel; two children, Eugene and Sophie;

6. William, born June 23rd 1764. Head of the Bank of W. Brock & Brothers, in the City of London. Died in London. Married Sarah Maria Pitt (called Sally), cousin of Lord Rivers and a relative of Lord Chatham. No descendants, but they raised their three orphan nephews Potenger;

7. Peter, born in August 6th 1765, died in childhood;

8. Elizabeth, born January 2nd 1767, died October 30th 1847. Married in 1789 with John Elisha Tupper Esq, twelve children: John Elisha, Henriette, Mary, Ferdinand Brock, Ernest William, Charles James, William De Vic, Brock, Frederick, Octavius, Carey and Caroline;

9. Frederick, born in October 3rd 1768. Died single, no descendants, in Montpellier, France, 1803;

10.SIR ISAAC, born October 6th 1769, killed at Queenston Heights in October 13th 1812;

11. Mary, born April 25th 1771, died in 1798. Married with Thomas Potenger Esq., three children, William, Mary and Zelia;

12. John Savery, born October 22th 1772. Aid-de-camp of both Sir Ralph Abercromby in Holland and Sir John Moore in the Peninsular War. Died August 7th 1844. Married twice: 1º Elizabeth de Jersey, four children: Julius, Elizabeth, Rosa and Betsey.

2º Elizabeth de Lisle;

13. Irving, born May 23th 1775. Associated with is brother William and J.E. Tupper at the London bank; writer and translater of "Bernier's travels in India", and a friend of Prime Minister Spencer Perceval. Died in 1838 in his home at Bath. No descendants.

When Sir Isaac died in 1812 there were only one sister and four brothers alive: the said Elizabeth, Daniel de Lisle, William, John Savery and Irving. There were 17 direct nephews of the celebrated general, four of them were Brocks (only one man, Eugene), ten were Tuppers and three were Potengers. When captain Eugene Brock, only son of Daniel de Lisle, died in 1844, in Bermudas, extinguished the closer male descent to Sir Isaac. The number of alive nephews and with descendants was substantially reduced. With the time it was also reduced the number of beneficiaries with the lands that the British Crown gave to the inheritors of Sir Isaac, lands that part of them were in Waterdown, near Hamilton, Canada, and its settlement was organized by Ferdinand B. Tupper.

Actually, the great majority on the closer relatives from the Canadian hero are named Tupper, and live in Great Britain, Chile, New Zeeland, Brazil, Venezuela, Costa Rica and the United States. In the States the descendants belong to the branch founded by the engineer Eugene Tupper in Portland, Oregon, who born in Santiago de Chile in 1941, and married twice with three sons.

It is interesting to add that the actual Chilean ambassador in the United States, Mr. Andres Bianchi, belongs also to the Chilean branch of the Tuppers from Guernsey and also carries the glorious blood of Sir Isaac Brock.

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John Brock, Esq.,

born January 24, 1729,

second son of William Brock Esq,

had by his wife,( Elizabeth De Lisle,) a very numerous family of 10 sons and 4 daughters, of whom 8 sons and 2 daughters reached maturity.

He died in June, 1777, at Dinan, in Brittany, whither he had gone for the benefit of the waters, at the early age of forty-eight years.

In his youth he was a midshipman in the navy, and in that capacity had made a voyage to India, which was then considered a great undertaking.

As he was possessed of much activity of mind and considerable talent, his death was an irreparable loss to his children, who were of an age to require all the care and counsels of a father; the eldest, John, having only completed his s17th year. 

They were left in independent, if not in affluent, circumstances; but the fond indulgence of a widowed mother, who could deny them no enjoyment, tended, notwithstanding their long minority, to diminish their patrimony.

THE BROCKS OF GUERNSEY

at the beginning of the nineteenth, they 1 were often called on to take their share in the king's wars.

For generations the Brocks had lived in St. Peter Port, and as Guernsey chronicles go back to leg-

endary times, the story that they were descended from one Sir Hugh Brock who came there in

the fourteenth century is perhaps a true one.

It seems that in the reign of Edward III an English knight of that name was keeper of the castle of Derval, in Brittany. When the French overran that country this castle was besieged by the Duke of Bourbon, the Earls of Alen9on and Perche, and a gallant array of the chivalry of France. Now Sir Hugh Brock's cousin, Sir Robert Knolles, who was governor of the duchy of .Brittany, was also at that time besieged in Brest by the famous Bertrand du Guesclin. He succeeded in driving off his assailants, and then marched to the relief of his cousin, Sir Hugh, who was on the point of surrendering when the timely succour arrived. The English were, however, soon after driven out of France by the valiant du Guesclin, and as Guernsey lies directly between the coast of Brittany and England it is not improbable that this same Sir Hugh or some of his family settled there. Toward the close of the seventeenth century, one William Brock, of St. Peter's Port, had three sons and one daughter. The eldest son, William, married Judith de Beauvoir, also of an ancient Guernsey family.

GENERAL BROCK

Susan Saumarez, the sister of that valiant sailor, afterwards the celebrated Admiral Lord de Saumarez. The second son, John, born on January 24th, 1729, married in 1758 Elizabeth de Lisle, 1 daughter .of the bailiff of the island, whose an- cestor, Sir John de Lisle, had been governor of Guernsey in the reign of Henry IV. By her he had fourteen children, of whom ten lived to maturity. Isaac was the eighth son, and was born on

October 6th, 1769, 2 the year that also saw the birth of Wellington and Napoleon Bonaparte.

In 1777 the family was deprived of a father's care, for Mr. John Brock, formerly a midshipman in His Majesty's navy, died at Dinan in that year at the early age of forty-eight. His two eldest sons had already entered the army, John as an ensign in the 

8th (King's), Ferdinand in the 60th, that famous regiment once known as the Royal Americans, which was raised in the colonies in the time of the struggle with France, and which afterwards did such good service in the American war.

These were strenuous times, and England was fighting in all parts of the world.

'The house where the family lived and in which Isaac was probably born and certainly brought up, is a very fine granite one, which still remains, in the centre of the town of St. Peter Port It was bought by his father, John Brock, on July 29th, 1769, possession to be had at the ensuing Michaelmas Day, which fell a week before Isaac's birth. From information given by Miss Henrietta Tapper, BROCK, Sir ISAAC, army officer and colonial administrator; b. 6 Oct. 1769 in St Peter Port, Guernsey, eighth son of John Brock and Elizabeth De Lisle; d. 13 Oct. 1812 at Queenston Heights, Upper Canada. He never married, and there seems to be no real evidence to support the stories that have been told of a romantic attachment in Canada.

The Brock family were moderately wealthy. 

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THE LIFE AND CORRESPONDENCE OF MAJOR-GENERAL SIR ISAAC BROCK, K.B.

INTERSPERSED WITH NOTICES OF THE CELEBRATED INDIAN CHIEF, TECUMSEH;

AND COMPRISING BRIEF MEMOIRS OF DANIEL DE LISLE BROCK, ESQ.;

LIEUTENANT E.W. TUPPER, R.N.,

AND COLONEL W. DE VIC TUPPER,

"What booteth it to have been rich alive?

What to be great? What to be glorious?

If after death no token doth survive

Of former being in this mortal house,

But sleeps in dust, dead and inglorious!"

SPENCER'S "Ruins of Time."

EDITED BY HIS NEPHEW,

FERDINAND BROCK TUPPER, ESQ. SON OFJohn Brock

LONDON: SIMPKIN, MARSHALL & Co.

GUERNSEY: H. REDSTONE.

1845.

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From: Michael & Tori Snell <mivictom@rad.net.id>

Subject: RE: Tupper/Brock

Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:36:15 +0700

The Tupper family originally came from Hesse in Germany. They were Calvanists

and were fleeing religious persecution. Nevertheless they brought a fair

amount of their wealth with them and quickly integrated into Guernsey society,

marrying into most of the leading families, including the Brocks.

John Elisha Tupper (1764-1845) was the son of Jurat Elisha Tupper and

Margaret Tupper (they were first cousins). John Elisha married Elizabeth

Brock, the daughter of John Brock (1729-1777) and Elizabeth de Lisle. In

addition to Elizabeth John Brock had three other children:

Daniel De Lisle Brock (1762-1842) became Bailiff

of Guernsey in 1821. He was a successful champion of the Island's rights and

privileges and hugely popular.

Maj. Gen Sir Isaac Brock was one of the few

British heroes of the War of 1812. As Governor of Upper Canada he captured

Detroit from a superior American force under Gen. Hull and fell at the Battle

of Queenston Heights near Niagara Falls repelling the last serious American

attempt to drive the British from Canada. If you haven't seen it there is an

impressive monument topped by his statue near the place where he fell.

Lt. Col John Brock, another member of the family

killed in battle (1792).

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ID: I0646

Name: Jean (John) Brock

Sex: M

Birth: 24 JAN 1729 in St Peter Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands, England

Death: JUN 1777 in Dinan, France

Note:

Source: Brock chart from Priaulx library. De Lisle chart from Priaulx library "GSY People" by L J Marr Jim Leach

John Brock, was born on the 24th of January, 1729. He married Elizabeth de Lisle, daughter of the bailiff of Guernsey and the couple had fourteen children, four girls and ten boys. John, a mid-shipman died at Dinan, France at the age of forty-eight.

From Patrick Tupper:

Ferdinand Brock Tupper (1795-1874) the great historian of the Channel Islands, author of "The life and correspondence of Sir Isaac Brock K.B."(1845), states in this important book that the general's parents John Brock Esq. and Elizabeth de Lisle, had in fact 14 children (4 women and 10 men). But, the different genealogical trees from the Brock family available in The Priaulx Library, Candie Garden, Guernsey, only mention 13 children. Only 10 of them became adults. According to that information, the children in strict order of birth were as follows:

1. Rebecca, born in March 4th 1758, died as a girl;

2. John, born April 13th 1759. Lt Col in 81st Reg. Killed in duel July 1802, in Cape of Good Hope. Died single, no descendants;

3. Ferdinand, born June 15th 1760. Lt in 60th Reg. Killed at Baton Rouge, first American War, Sept 21th 1779. Died single without descendants;

4. Peter Henry, born July 1761, died as a boy before 1765;

5. Daniel de Lisle, born December 10th 1762. Bailiff of Guernsey 1821-1842, one of the greatest political leaders of the Channel Islands. Died September 24th 1842. Married 1798 with Esther Tourtel; two children, Eugene and Sophie;

6. William, born June 23rd 1764. Head of the Bank of W. Brock & Brothers, in the City of London. Died in London. Married Sarah Maria Pitt (called Sally), cousin of Lord Rivers and a relative of Lord Chatham. No descendants, but they raised their three orphan nephews Potenger;

7. Peter, born in August 6th 1765, died in childhood;

8. Elizabeth, born January 2nd 1767, died October 30th 1847. Married in 1789 with John Elisha Tupper Esq, twelve children: John Elisha, Henriette, Mary, Ferdinand Brock, Ernest William, Charles James, William De Vic, Brock, Frederick, Octavius, Carey and Caroline;

9. Frederick, born in October 3rd 1768. Died single, no descendants, in Montpellier, France, 1803;

10.SIR ISAAC, born October 6th 1769, killed at Queenston Heights in October 13th 1812;

11. Mary, born April 25th 1771, died in 1798. Married with Thomas Potenger Esq., three children, William, Mary and Zelia;

12. John Savery, born October 22th 1772. Aid-de-camp of both Sir Ralph Abercromby in Holland and Sir John Moore in the Peninsular War. Died August 7th 1844. Married twice: 1º Elizabeth de Jersey, four children: Julius, Elizabeth, Rosa and Betsey.

2º Elizabeth de Lisle;

13. Irving, born May 23th 1775. Associated with is brother William and J.E. Tupper at the London bank; writer and translater of "Bernier's travels in India", and a friend of Prime Minister Spencer Perceval. Died in 1838 in his home at Bath. No descendants.

When Sir Isaac died in 1812 there were only one sister and four brothers alive: the said Elizabeth, Daniel de Lisle, William, John Savery and Irving. There were 17 direct nephews of the celebrated general, four of them were Brocks (only one man, Eugene), ten were Tuppers and three were Potengers. When captain Eugene Brock, only son of Daniel de Lisle, died in 1844, in Bermudas, extinguished the closer male descent to Sir Isaac. The number of alive nephews and with descendants was substantially reduced. With the time it was also reduced the number of beneficiaries with the lands that the British Crown gave to the inheritors of Sir Isaac, lands that part of them were in Waterdown, near Hamilton, Canada, and its settlement was organized by Ferdinand B. Tupper.

Actually, the great majority on the closer relatives from the Canadian hero are named Tupper, and live in Great Britain, Chile, New Zeeland, Brazil, Venezuela, Costa Rica and the United States. In the States the descendants belong to the branch founded by the engineer Eugene Tupper in Portland, Oregon, who born in Santiago de Chile in 1941, and married twice with three sons.

It is interesting to add that the actual Chilean ambassador in the United States, Mr. Andres Bianchi, belongs also to the Chilean branch of the Tuppers from Guernsey and also carries the glorious blood of Sir Isaac Brock.

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THE LIFE AND CORRESPONDENCE OF MAJOR-GENERAL SIR ISAAC BROCK, K.B.

INTERSPERSED WITH NOTICES OFTHE CELEBRATED INDIAN CHIEF, TECUMSEH;

AND COMPRISING

BRIEF MEMOIRS OF DANIEL DE LISLE BROCK, ESQ.;

LIEUTENANT E.W. TUPPER, R.N.,

AND COLONEL W. DE VIC TUPPER,

Of Sir Isaac Brock's brothers, the eldest, John, a brevet lieutenant-colonel in the 81st regiment, was killed in a duel, in July, 1801, at the Cape of Good Hope, by Captain M——,[149] in consequence of his having, as steward of a public ball, very properly resisted the introduction, by his antagonist, of a female of disreputable character. The second brother, Ferdinand, a lieutenant of the 60th regiment, was slain in the defence of Bâton Rouge, on the Mississippi, 21st September, 1779, at the early age of nineteen. The third brother, Daniel De Lisle, a man of distinguished ability, was bailiff and president of the States of Guernsey. No chief magistrate of the island was ever so beloved, honored, and regretted, as Mr. Brock; and so universal was the feeling of admiration for his talents and services, that the Royal Court decreed him a public funeral at the public expense—a tribute of respect never previously paid by that body to any individual.[150] The ninth brother, Savery, who died on the 7th August, 1844, has been already noticed, and the tenth, Irving, who died in 1838, at Bath, was "the accomplished translator of Bernier's Travels in India," and a very powerful writer in support of the government in 1810, at a very eventful and critical period.[151] Singularly enough, of the eight brothers of this Family of the Brocks who reached maturity, no male descendant of their name is now in existence. Of their two sisters, who grew to womanhood, the elder, Elizabeth, now the only survivor of the family, married John E. Tupper, Esq., of Guernsey; and the younger, Mary, was the wife of Thomas Potenger, Esq., of Compton, in Berkshire, first cousin to the Countess of Bridgewater.

Of the five nephews and one great nephew of Sir Isaac Brock, who have hitherto embraced the profession of arms, not one survives, four of the former and the latter having sadly and prematurely perished, viz: first, Midshipman Charles Tupper, of his majesty's ship Primrose, drowned at Spithead, in 1815, by the upsetting of the boat in which he was accompanying his commander from Portsmouth to the ship; second, Lieutenant E.W. Tupper,[152] his majesty's ship Sybille, mortally wounded in action with Greek pirates, near Candia, on the 18th June, 1826; third, Lieutenant William Potenger, adjutant 22d regiment, died on the 19th November, 1827, of the fever, at Jamaica; fourth, Colonel W. De Vic Tupper,[153] of the Chilian service, slain in action near Talca, on the 17th April, 1830; and, fifth, the great nephew, Ensign A. Delacombe Potenger,[154] of the 5th Bengal Native Infantry, while in command of the light company, was killed by a bullet, which entered his breast, in the disastrous retreat of the British army from Cabool, in January, 1842. The remaining nephew, Captain Eugene Brock, of the 20th regiment, died at Bermuda, in January, 1844.

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